ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

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14 Sukhoi

5 Mig+ Mirage

2 Rafale

2 Tejas

That's 23


Add 1 Mig 29

Possibly one Mirage Sqd from second hand purchase

4-5 Tejas Sqd by 2030

And atleast 2 Rafale

That's 32 squadrons by 2030.
Actually, S 400 has improved the situation a lot. Now, too many aircrafts can be relived from defensive role because of arrival of S400. 2 squadrons of Tejas Mk1, 4 Squadrons of Mk on order. We can get atleast 4 Squadrons of Mk2, Jaguars, Mirage 2000s, Mig 29s, can last for atleast a decade. If required, We should go for some additional Tejas Mk1A as the stop gap measure to replenish the fleet. If we can get Tejas Mk2 a little bit faster, may be in the beginning of 2026, We can go ahead very aggressively with Tejas Mk2. This fighter is capable of replacing Mig 29, Jaguar and Mirage 2000s. We should make an Aggressive manufacturing plan for Tejas Mk2 so that we can go full fledge after Mk2 Production as soon as testing is completed and FOC is achieved.
 

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Ok let me bite.

1. Tejas is draggy. Yes but so are all other aircraft in the world. Can't escape drag. A better statement would be "Tejas is draggier than x" which would be true for some x. Reason for that is
a. Tejas was initially planned as a replacement for the MiG21, hence had to be of similar length as that aircraft to fit into existing HAS. And it also had a requirement to fly from high altitude airbases. Hence it has dimensions of a light fighter but wings of a medium fighter (for extra lift). Result is more drag compared to x. Aerodynamics is all about choices and the Tejas designers chose one particular design to achieve some particular outcomes.
b. Area ruling requires a longer length for the wingspan but can't be too long as it needed to match MiG21 wingspan. Hence draggier than x.
c. Pylon optimization not done.

2. Mk1A will be ready much sooner than Mk2 which has yet to roll out let alone fly and get certified. Mk2 is a different aircraft and hence will take longer to get into service, at least 2027 to 2028 timeframe.

At least that's my understanding.
lot of people take the older CEMILAC remedy which said that "to achieve supersonic speeds at sea level (at that time tejas mk1 didnt go supersonic at sea level),

Tejas has to have a much SMOOTHER coke bottle shape area ruling curve , because the sudden increase in cross section (at around three to five meters length of Tejas fuselage) gives a higher trans sonic drag , which stops tejas mk1 from achieving mach 1 at sea level"

Then suggested that it had to have a 0.5 meter nose plug fr SMOOTHER coke bottle shape area curve,

However the point to note is, that subsequently , tejas went supersonic at sea level, WITHOUT incorporating the suggestions (nose cone plug) given by CEMILAC , with further opening of the flight envelope,

[May be implementing them would hv given much better Tejas mk1 at the flight envelope point of "trans sonic at sea level", but we hv to consider whether other design factors were too important to be compromised fr this better area ruling (when design started), which only people with inside knowledge can know, Also we dont hv area curves of other fighters to compare, And we also dont know whether all fighters hv to make smaller compromises like these at design phase, to accommodate other design parameters,
because unlike civilian planes that can strictly adhere to this ruling, fighters need to carry many equippments to perform their mission at much stringent flight envelope specs]


And note, this trans sonic drag becomes an issue to note ' ONLY AT SEA LEVEL & WHen Tejas approaches MACH 1), it doesnt particularly affect it in other flight envelopes,

Because most of the time tejas & other fighters doesnt fly at trans sonic speeds continuously, at sea level altitude, they either push through or fly below mach, and during close combat where stricter AOA & max Gs come into play Tejas like other fighters fly well below the trans sonic speed, this close combat speed where max Gs are pulled is called corner speed, (below trans sonic speed),


Notice the larger wing or "trans sonic drag"doesnt affect its ferry range(>3000 km like fighters of it class) or 9 seconds vertical half loops in singapore air show .

ANy way tejas mk2 gets much longer fuselage and will hv much better smoother area ruling curve , giving it better trans sonic peformance,


But lot of people omit all these finer points and unfairly attach "drag" to tejas mk1 at all parameters of its flight envelope , disregarding CEMILAC's diagnosis

Tejas wing area has to take indian climate into account, which saps a good chunk of engine thrust and wing lift from standard international conditions, which too had to be taken into account when we talk about this
 
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The importance of the LCA mk2/MWF cannot be overstated.
The MWF will be in the medium weight category and compete against the likes of the J10C, Mirage 2000 and even the F16 Block 52.
Its design is an evolution of the basic LCA mk1/mk1a and therefore it involves less risk. More likely to succeed without serious bugs.

Whereas the AMCA(vitally needed to have an presence in the 5th generation stealth aircraft category and provide an competitor to the J20) is an new clean sheet design. An stealth aircraft like this has never been attempted before in India. So the risks are higher. In terms of cost and time overruns(delays). Any bugs discovered along the way would have to be corrected.

The MWF is the lower hanging fruit and its success will provide the numbers to maintain our combat strength. The role of 4.5 generation jets will not disappear in the near future. They might still serve in Air Forces even a couple of decades down the line. Equipped as they will be with better AESA radars, advanced EW suites and the latest BVR missiles. On cost factor alone they will stay relevant.

The MWF will act as insurance against any unexpected or undue delays in the development of the AMCA.

Not trying to demoralise the ADA/ADE/HAL/DRDO combine. But have they earned the reputation of delivering on promises in time. (I certainly hope that they will prove me wrong). So the reality is that the futuristic AMCA will see some slippages in the schedule. Fully expected.

In contrast I expect the MWF to have an more trouble free journey. It might just be realised within this decade. It can replace an variety of other aging fighters in the IAF inventory. Starting from the Jaguars, the Mig 29s,the Mirage 2000(later on) etc.
And if the PAF does not get the latest versions of the F16, can even neutralise their F16 fleet. It will take care of the J10Cs on an equal basis. The JF17 Block 3 will be inferior to the MWF and out LCA mk1a itself will be enough to checkmate it.

So here's hoping that our aerospace community delivers on the MWF ASAP and mass manufacture the planes at an rate of at least 24 to 30 per year.

(An output of 8 aircraft per year is atrocious and an shame. India deserves better than that.)
 

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recently vayu Aerospace has published a "critique" ofTejas mk2 program by our "esteemed Professor Prodyut Das,

I had an interaction with him on twitter on #TejasMk1 thread,

It seems he has zero knowledge on Tejas mk1,

as you can read from the link below in our forum,




SO why "supergenius"folks at vayu allow him to write on Tejas mk2?

Is it fair to dump Bull crap on the readers of this magazine ?
 

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