ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Haldilal]

Instead of poking and sharing unwanted gyan.. You could have pointed out where I said I am an expert or I know better than someone here?
If you misread or misquote, that's not my problem.
I stopped responding because I realized people here just assume they know everything better.

and I don't need to learn anything from some random keyboard warrior.

Ya'll Nibbiars if you want people to badmouth you then be my guest this forum is seen by ten thousand of lookers daily. No one is stopping you.

 

[_merlin_]

Absolute newbie to defense.
I have few questions :

1. As I read about Tejas, its said that it its draggy and not very efficient aero wise.
   Why not just copy the best air frame (visual shape is not a secret I think) and pack you stuff in it?atleast jet would swift and efficient. I read jets which are using same engine and are heavier can cruise supersonic and Tejas cannot. The sole reason for this is aero issues.
   
   
2. If Mk2 is already so much better, what makes Mk1A export ready and quality product? and why Mk2 is not on market yet ?

Apologies if questions are very basic and stupid.

Ok let me bite.

1. Tejas is draggy. Yes but so are all other aircraft in the world. Can't escape drag. A better statement would be "Tejas is draggier than x" which would be true for some x. Reason for that is
a. Tejas was initially planned as a replacement for the MiG21, hence had to be of similar length as that aircraft to fit into existing HAS. And it also had a requirement to fly from high altitude airbases. Hence it has dimensions of a light fighter but wings of a medium fighter (for extra lift). Result is more drag compared to x. Aerodynamics is all about choices and the Tejas designers chose one particular design to achieve some particular outcomes.
b. Area ruling requires a longer length for the wingspan but can't be too long as it needed to match MiG21 wingspan. Hence draggier than x.
c. Pylon optimization not done.

2. Mk1A will be ready much sooner than Mk2 which has yet to roll out let alone fly and get certified. Mk2 is a different aircraft and hence will take longer to get into service, at least 2027 to 2028 timeframe.

At least that's my understanding.

 

[DeadCritic]

Again, what i wrote all went over your head huh?

Opps.. again....Why are you so dumb?

 

[THESIS THORON]

after reading all your shit,

As I read about Tejas, its said that it its draggy and not very efficient aero wise.

tejas is has problems in transonic area. and that is due to bulged canopy, and that bulged canopy is due to ..

ig small shape

Why not just copy the best air frame (visual shape is not a secret I think) and pack you stuff in it?atleast jet would swift and efficient. I read jets which are using same engine and are heavier can cruise supersonic and Tejas cannot. The sole reason for this is aero issues.

we cant, as the miniaturization level of every country is different, so us might make stuff small whereas we might make that same stuff somewhat big.

and lets consider you copied a design of a jet, then how are you gonna fit your own built lru ??

the shape and size of same lru will differ from country to country.

that's why you cant just copy an airframe.

1. If Mk2 is already so much better, what makes Mk1A export ready and quality product? and why Mk2 is not on market yet ?

things take time, you cant jump of the bed and start making fighter jet (unless you are one of porkistan and turkey )


there are many things that have been learnt from mk1 those have been implemented in mk1a and the further improvements will be done in mk2.

 

[THESIS THORON]

I think aircraft shape largely remains same throughout the flight .Hence aero remains same.

nope, the shape of aircraft changes with respect to the forces it is experiencing

 

[DeadCritic]

after reading all your shit,



tejas is has problems in transonic area. and that is due to bulged canopy, and that bulged canopy is due to ..

ig small shape



we cant, as the miniaturization level of every country is different, so us might make stuff small whereas we might make that same stuff somewhat big.

and lets consider you copied a design of a jet, then how are you gonna fit your own built lru ??

the shape and size of same lru will differ from country to country.

that's why you cant just copy an airframe.




things take time, you cant jump of the bed and start making fighter jet (unless you are one of porkistan and turkey )


there are many things that have been learnt from mk1 those have been implemented in mk1a and the further improvements will be done in mk2.

One more over-smart showoff lands here..

Here is important lesson for you as well.

If you really want to help and expect respect, Don't make remarks like : After reading your shit.
Because whatever you say after that will not redeem your "looser" status.


I have appreciated each and everyone who has contributed towards my query and later also responded to the unwanted remarks.

Till now only Merlin responded appropriately .He/She responded only to the question rather then making fun or any other stuff.

Its never too late to learn good manners my friend specially public forum manners.

 

[THESIS THORON]

One more over-smart showoff lands here..

Here is important lesson for you as well.

If you really want to help and expect respect, Don't make remarks like : After reading your shit.
Because whatever you say after that will not redeem your "looser" status.


I have appreciated each and everyone who has contributed towards my query and later also responded to the unwanted remarks.

Till now only Merlin responded appropriately .He/She responded only to the question rather then making fun or any other stuff.

Its never too late to learn good manners my friend specially public forum manners.

aah, here is a guy giving reviews on response given by other members

noice.


btw, I have given ans to your question

As I read about Tejas, its said that it its draggy and not very efficient aero wise.
Why not just copy the best air frame (visual shape is not a secret I think) and pack you stuff in it?atleast jet would swift and efficient. I read jets which are using same engine and are heavier can cruise supersonic and Tejas cannot. The sole reason for this is aero issues.

but you seem to have no interest in that, rather than this you are giving

certificates of good manners

if shit seems derogatory then ... kya hi bolu

 

[DeadCritic]

but you seem to have no interest in that, rather than this you are giving

You have to read my response from left to right and top to bottom.
If you do so, you will find this line :

If you really want to help and expect respect, Don't make remarks like : After reading your shit.
Because I don't care what you write after that

Still I liked your answer (Thank you) but your remark irked me.

if shit seems derogatory then ... kya hi bolu

If "After reading your shit" is so normal, I would like see you using this at any public forum or meetings or at your home. Your choice.
Yes, using shit among friends or casual conversation is quite normal but that's not the case here (Already had enough of bad remarks which doesn't make thread very friendly for me).

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

Bruh

Why does @DeadCritic have to be unnecessary pokey pokey? I think there are better, less animalistic ways of settling disputes.

I will ask forum members to tone down the rhetoric, and will ask DeadCritic to keep his trap sealed if he has nothing meaningful to contribute, or is not willing to accept answers that may go against preconceptions.

This is a forum for discussion, not a forum for arguments. If that is the goal of any member here, they are more than welcome to go and find another forum suitable for their endeavours.

 

[THESIS THORON]

If "After reading your shit" is so normal, I would like see you using this at any public forum or meetings or at your home. Your choice.
Yes, using shit among friends or casual conversation is quite normal but that's not the case here (Already had enough of bad remarks which doesn't make thread very friendly for me).

I consider all people here my friends only, but have somewhat higher respect for the knowledgeable members.

 

[THESIS THORON]

jane do bhai, he will get used to it

Bruh

Why does @DeadCritic have to be unnecessary pokey pokey? I think there are better, less animalistic ways of settling disputes.

I will ask forum members to tone down the rhetoric, and will ask DeadCritic to keep his trap sealed if he has nothing meaningful to contribute, or is not willing to accept answers that may go against preconceptions.

This is a forum for discussion, not a forum for arguments. If that is the goal of any member here, they are more than welcome to go and find another forum suitable for their endeavours.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Ya'll Nibbiars now you are the most hated person in the Indian defence community. Yesterday many twiteratte were bad mounting you. The @Aditya Ballal saw that tried to defend you but in the last also bad mouthed you.

i feel blessed.

 

[karn]

What's the jammer situation on the the mk2 ? In an interview a podded low frequency jammer was mentioned . Is there no internal jammer ?

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

What's the jammer situation on the the mk2 ? In an interview a podded low frequency jammer was mentioned . Is there no internal jammer ?

Internal there, no idea why there will be a separate pod based one....

 

[THESIS THORON]

What's the jammer situation on the the mk2 ? In an interview a podded low frequency jammer was mentioned . Is there no internal jammer ?

whole ew suit will be internal, something like spectra.

imo conformal antennas (wing edges)

@Lonewolf, @Vamsi @not so dravidian

what do you guys think abt conformal antennas on tejas mk2

 

[not so dravidian]

whole ew suit will be internal, something like spectra.

imo conformal antennas (wing edges)

@Lonewolf, @Vamsi @not so dravidian

what do you guys think abt conformal antennas on tejas mk2

IDK, about any conformal antenna.
Don't think it's possible within the timeframe unless it's already under development. Most probably no!
Only for amca it's confirmed.

In one video i saw, ADA director saying 4axis maws for mk2, however as per BEL (and logic), a 6 axis maws is required for complete coverage.

I hope what he said was wrong.

 

[THESIS THORON]

In one video i saw, ADA director saying 4axis maws for mk2, however as per BEL (and logic), a 6 axis maws is required for complete coverage.

bruh, they have deigned the whole jet by themselves and now they havent made provisions for 6 axis maws.

pure bruh moment for me

 

[not so dravidian]

bruh, they have deigned the whole jet by themselves and now they havent made provisions for 6 axis maws.

pure bruh moment for me

Exactly !!
The video is from tharmak media house.

If MWF, doesn't come with 6 axis, BRUH!!

 

[Vamsi]

whole ew suit will be internal, something like spectra.

imo conformal antennas (wing edges)

@Lonewolf, @Vamsi @not so dravidian

what do you guys think abt conformal antennas on tejas mk2

Jammer will be internal...but it can also carry a low band podded jammer externally

 

[karn]

Jammer will be internal...but it can also carry a low band podded jammer externally

Have a source for the internal jammer ?
Here he mentions Maws and external jammer but nothing about an internal jammer.