ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[HariPrasad-1]

Mostly young members with less age and experience. Older guys know the reality of China.

China has no excess to Western weaponry so there domestic weapon don't face any competition and accepted as is. While our uttam has to out perform elta and thales offers to be accepted.

Younger members would be well served if they'd read more before reaching conclusion.

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[south block]

Mostly young members with less age and experience. Older guys know the reality of China.

China has no excess to Western weaponry so there domestic weapon don't face any competition and accepted as is. While our uttam has to out perform elta and thales offers to be accepted.

Younger members would be well served if they'd read more before reaching conclusion.

China get weapons know how under the table from Europe ,US and Russia.

 

[dude00720]

Not just ioc I'm afraid. Ge f414 will be used in all mwf. Hopefully by mid life upgrade ( 2035-40) we will have indegenious alternative.

Mwf will start metal cutting by next year take two years for first build so by 2023 first flight should happen. Since directly production standard frames will be build and it will follow concurrent development/ testing paradigm it should enter service by 2026-27. Latest should be 2028.

Most of the components are ready . Uttam is almost there. Ew suite will follow the development of d29 and su30 upcoming suite. Digital rwr will go in mk1a itself. Maws are in works for su30 already. Obogs in works already. Astra mk1 will be integrated with mk1a itself. Sensor fusion will be in mk1a .

Point is there is no component which will be delayed . Soup is ready the only challenges are design optimization and integration.

If they add amca features like dsi- intake then it could be delayed.but if they remain committed to earlier configuration it should come up fast.

Can we expect Astra Mk2 in MWF?

I would like to believe that AStra Mk2 will be Ramjet , SFDR enabled with much higher ranges implicit in the technology. Where exactly are we in Astra Mk2? if we can somehow crack SFDR fast enough, that might be the clincher in many things. After that, it is just software.

kindly feel free to correct, if my assesment is wrong.

 

[IndianHawk]

Can we expect Astra Mk2 in MWF?

I would like to believe that AStra Mk2 will be Ramjet , SFDR enabled with much higher ranges implicit in the technology. Where exactly are we in Astra Mk2? if we can somehow crack SFDR fast enough, that might be the clincher in many things. After that, it is just software.

kindly feel free to correct, if my assesment is wrong.

Astra mk2 will be dual pulse not ramjet. Ramjet/sfdr will take 7-8 years at least. Astra mk2 is far along it could go testing as early as next year or by the end of this year afaik.

Astra mk2 is also important with cost perspective. Ramjet missile is way more costly. It will be silver bullet while Astra mk2 will make up the numbers.

Dual pulse motor is already used in ngarm missile by drdo. Indegenious seeker is already in Astra mk1 so Astra mk2 only needs optimization and testing all the components are there.

 

[Hydra3]

Can we expect Astra Mk2 in MWF?

I would like to believe that AStra Mk2 will be Ramjet , SFDR enabled with much higher ranges implicit in the technology. Where exactly are we in Astra Mk2? if we can somehow crack SFDR fast enough, that might be the clincher in many things. After that, it is just software.

kindly feel free to correct, if my assesment is wrong.

SFDR will take time, but what is more important is we have an IR version of astra in pipeline. If we somehow materilize IR version, ut will give a boost to our aircrafts. Almost all except very few all air to air kill by missiles are by IR missiles. Also same tech can be develop to some SAM like mistrel missile.

 

[IndianHawk]

SFDR will take time, but what is more important is we have an IR version of astra in pipeline. If we somehow materilize IR version, ut will give a boost to our aircrafts. Almost all except very few all air to air kill by missiles are by IR missiles. Also same tech can be develop to some SAM like mistrel missile.

Astra ir is In works. Ccm version of Astra could also be in development.

 

[Kchontha]

Astra mk 2 has two version one is dual pulse and other one is ramjet powered.....

 

[Hydra3]

Astra mk 2 has two version one is dual pulse and other one is ramjet powered.....

Astra mk2 is only have dual oulse motor, sfdr is astra mk3

 

[Bleh]

Tejas Mark II will be equipped with “optimally manned” artificial intelligence-based cockpit ...other than multi-sensor data fusion (AESA, IRST, MAWS, EW) and network-centric warfare capacity. Ground control would also be able to take over the aircraft in case its pilot blacks out.

Unmanned Tejas development was cleared in 2018, back than thought to be a mere testbed for the Ghatak UCAV.

 

[Bleh]

Tejas Mark II will be equipped with “optimally manned” artificial intelligence-based cockpit ...other than multi-sensor data fusion (AESA, IRST, MAWS, EW) and network-centric warfare capacity. Ground control would also be able to take over the aircraft in case its pilot blacks out.

Unmanned Tejas development was cleared in 2018, back than thought to be a mere testbed for the Ghatak UCAV.

Information provided to idrw.org, suggests that they will be two phases of the program if approved by the Government.

In the first Phase, network-enabled Unmanned LCA-Tejas will be developed so that it can act as a force multiplier to the manned aircraft and be used as a wing man in dangerous missions with inputs from ground controller and the crew of the manned aircraft.
The second phase is more AI-Driven where inputs from the Human crew will be minimal and can be used Both programs are experimental but it can future it can be used to build upon on the unmanned technologies which India is developing for its HALE Class Attack UAVS and its Stealthy Ghataak Platforms.

AMCA will be the first manned jet that will have capabilities to give inputs to AI-Driven aircraft in the future and even take controls over it remotely.

http://idrw.org/india-to-experiment-with-ai-based-unmanned-lca-tejas-concept/#more-223489 .

 

[Atcjurvin]

Information provided to idrw.org, suggests that they will be two phases of the program if approved by the Government.

In the first Phase, network-enabled Unmanned LCA-Tejas will be developed so that it can act as a force multiplier to the manned aircraft and be used as a wing man in dangerous missions with inputs from ground controller and the crew of the manned aircraft.
The second phase is more AI-Driven where inputs from the Human crew will be minimal and can be used Both programs are experimental but it can future it can be used to build upon on the unmanned technologies which India is developing for its HALE Class Attack UAVS and its Stealthy Ghataak Platforms.

AMCA will be the first manned jet that will have capabilities to give inputs to AI-Driven aircraft in the future and even take controls over it remotely.

http://idrw.org/india-to-experiment-with-ai-based-unmanned-lca-tejas-concept/#more-223489 .

But it was approved in 2018 look at their own article. It also means that tejas will be a testbed of technologies that will be used in unmanned wingman and ucav.

 

[WolfPack86]

Tejas Mark II To Replace Mirage 2000s With Capability To Deep-Strike Into Enemy Territory?
The HAL Tejas Mark II, fitted with heavier GE 414 engine will roll out in 2022 will take to the skies in 2023. The Tejas Mark II is expected to join the Indian Air Force by 2026 with the capability of striking deep into enemy territory just like Mirage 2000s.

The indigenous built Tejas Mark II fighter jet will have the capacity to conduct operations such as the one the Indian Air Force undertook in Balakot and will replace the ageing Mirage 2000 fighters according to Program Director (Combat Aircraft), Aeronautical Development Agency Girish Deodhare.

On February 26, 2019, IAF’s Mirage 2000 entered a Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terror camp in Balakot in Pakistani territory as retaliation for the terror group’s suicide attack on a CRPF convoy in Pulwama, Jammu & Kashmir.


The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas Mark 2 is a single-engine multirole fighter designed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and HAL. The plane has tailless compound delta-wing configuration with high manoeuvrability.

The Mark II, fitted with heavier GE 414 engine, will roll out in 2022, take to the skies in 2023 and join IAF by 2026. The Tejas MK II is a 4.5 generation aircraft.

Program Director Deodhare said that the MK II will have double the range of its predecessor MK I and will be fitted with Astra II BVR air-to-air missiles with a range of at least 150 km.

“While Tejas MK I is for combat air patrol within the Indian territory, MK II will have the capacity to conduct Balakot-like surgical strikes in enemy territory as it will carry heavy standoff weapons like Crystal Maze and Spice missiles,” added Deodhare.

While work on MK II is proceeding as per schedule, ADA and Indian Air Force (IAF) sealed a deal for twin-engine advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) in the next three months. Earlier, IAF gave a written commitment to DRDO that it would buy the fifth-generation AMCA to strengthen its strike capabilities. AMCA is expected to roll out in 2024 and take to the skies the following year.

According to Deodhare, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will produce 16 FOC 9Final Operational Clearance) Tejas plus eight trainers before the reverse integration of IAF’s Tejas in the initial configuration is taken up.

“HAL has done a commendable job to produce a FOC Tejas within a year of the design being frozen. This will help up in faster development of MK II as this only involves in upscaling of the existing platform with superior armaments, radar and avionics,” he said.

For the MK II, ADA in collaboration with its parent DRDO is developing the indigenous active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, which is not only difficult to detect but also has a high resistance to jamming by the enemy during an engagement.

The Tejas Mark II would incorporate the new features of the Mark 1A as well as a new glass cockpit with an eight-by-twelve-inch multifunction display and an onboard oxygen system that collects air from the outside, removing the need for oxygen bottles.

According to secondary research by EurAsian Times and quoting open sources – Tejas Mark II will be equipped with a multi-sensor data fusion system which will feature an active electronically scanned array radar, infrared search and track and a missile approach warning system.

The fighter jet will also comprise of an internalized electronic warfare suite. The aircraft will be designed to have network-centric warfare capacity and will be equipped with artificial intelligence-based “optimally manned” cockpit.

The cockpit will be designed such that the ground control would be able to take over the controls of the aircraft in case the pilot becomes unconscious, after being alerted by a sensor in the helmet of the pilot.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...ty-To-Deep-Strike-Into-Enemy-Territory-809840

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Tejas Mark II To Replace Mirage 2000s With Capability To Deep-Strike Into Enemy Territory?
The HAL Tejas Mark II, fitted with heavier GE 414 engine will roll out in 2022 will take to the skies in 2023. The Tejas Mark II is expected to join the Indian Air Force by 2026 with the capability of striking deep into enemy territory just like Mirage 2000s.

The indigenous built Tejas Mark II fighter jet will have the capacity to conduct operations such as the one the Indian Air Force undertook in Balakot and will replace the ageing Mirage 2000 fighters according to Program Director (Combat Aircraft), Aeronautical Development Agency Girish Deodhare.

On February 26, 2019, IAF’s Mirage 2000 entered a Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terror camp in Balakot in Pakistani territory as retaliation for the terror group’s suicide attack on a CRPF convoy in Pulwama, Jammu & Kashmir.


The Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) Tejas Mark 2 is a single-engine multirole fighter designed by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and HAL. The plane has tailless compound delta-wing configuration with high manoeuvrability.

The Mark II, fitted with heavier GE 414 engine, will roll out in 2022, take to the skies in 2023 and join IAF by 2026. The Tejas MK II is a 4.5 generation aircraft.

Program Director Deodhare said that the MK II will have double the range of its predecessor MK I and will be fitted with Astra II BVR air-to-air missiles with a range of at least 150 km.

“While Tejas MK I is for combat air patrol within the Indian territory, MK II will have the capacity to conduct Balakot-like surgical strikes in enemy territory as it will carry heavy standoff weapons like Crystal Maze and Spice missiles,” added Deodhare.

While work on MK II is proceeding as per schedule, ADA and Indian Air Force (IAF) sealed a deal for twin-engine advanced medium combat aircraft (AMCA) in the next three months. Earlier, IAF gave a written commitment to DRDO that it would buy the fifth-generation AMCA to strengthen its strike capabilities. AMCA is expected to roll out in 2024 and take to the skies the following year.

According to Deodhare, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will produce 16 FOC 9Final Operational Clearance) Tejas plus eight trainers before the reverse integration of IAF’s Tejas in the initial configuration is taken up.

“HAL has done a commendable job to produce a FOC Tejas within a year of the design being frozen. This will help up in faster development of MK II as this only involves in upscaling of the existing platform with superior armaments, radar and avionics,” he said.

For the MK II, ADA in collaboration with its parent DRDO is developing the indigenous active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar, which is not only difficult to detect but also has a high resistance to jamming by the enemy during an engagement.

The Tejas Mark II would incorporate the new features of the Mark 1A as well as a new glass cockpit with an eight-by-twelve-inch multifunction display and an onboard oxygen system that collects air from the outside, removing the need for oxygen bottles.

According to secondary research by EurAsian Times and quoting open sources – Tejas Mark II will be equipped with a multi-sensor data fusion system which will feature an active electronically scanned array radar, infrared search and track and a missile approach warning system.

The fighter jet will also comprise of an internalized electronic warfare suite. The aircraft will be designed to have network-centric warfare capacity and will be equipped with artificial intelligence-based “optimally manned” cockpit.

The cockpit will be designed such that the ground control would be able to take over the controls of the aircraft in case the pilot becomes unconscious, after being alerted by a sensor in the helmet of the pilot.
https://www.defencenews.in/article/...ty-To-Deep-Strike-Into-Enemy-Territory-809840

Here, I have discussed many aspects in detail.

https://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/why-tejas-mk2-mwf-will-be-important.81477/

 

[ashdoc]

Deep strike will be forte of rafales , even though tejas mk2 will have that capacity too .

 

[dude00720]

Deep strike will be forte of rafales , even though tejas mk2 will have that capacity too .

AMCA with proper stealth will be the 2030 FOC with deep strike capability . Will be the mainstay of IAF in the future. Later AMCA will be 5.5. And then, we have AURA.

But, to be fair, we just need Astra Mk2 to match Meteor with SFDR to make tejas MK2 truly devastating. Current version is Dual pulse.

 

[Bleh]

License production of GE F-414 under consideration, given almost 300 may be operated by India in 200+ MWF & upto 100 initial AMCA.

 

[Bleh]

Although now we know that the refueling probe will be retractable

 

[indiatester]

Although now we know that the refueling probe will be retractable
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Really? For MKII or is it valid even for MK1A ?

 

[Bleh]

Really? For MKII or is it valid even for MK1A ?

Can't say... It was mentioned about MWF during Defexpo. You'll find back in this thread.

 

[Kchontha]

Mk 1 does not have have retractable one due space constraints but we should have on mwf or tedbf because it will frontal RCS of the aircraft.