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[Bleh]

Using Su as a bomb truck in itself is insulting the potential of the platform. To tell the truth, it was nothing more then Jugaad.

Why? It's either that, or our 270 strong Sukhoi fleet spends the war doing only CAP & escort missions instead of lending a hand in the airstrikes... it has the maximum range and payload in IAF.
We have enough of them for some to play mule.

 

[Bhurki]

IAF should order atleast 2-3 more su30 sqn to replace the underperforming jaguars.
Its the most bang for the buck that is available right now.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

IAF should order atleast 2-3 more su30 sqn to replace the underperforming jaguars.
Its the most bang for the buck that is available right now.

Otherwise we can get more Su34 directly imported from Russia, Su-34 costs $36 million per aircraft.
Perfect for the role of a bomb truck.

 

[Bhurki]

Otherwise we can get more Su34 directly imported from Russia, Su-34 costs $36 million per aircraft.
Perfect for the role of a bomb truck.

Again, stupid thing to say...
Commonality should be sought after...
Buying any new aircraft will just add diversity to the zoo called IAF.

Also, i wouldn't really advise to believe the price that russians quote - They quoted $0.5B for Vik A/c, ended up costing $2.5B.
They also quoted Su57 for $35m.

 

[Bhurki]

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[Raju Seth]

We might need something like that soon.
Once our Sukhois retire we'll need a good bomb-truck... A heavy jet with 40,000kg MTOW supercruising at high altitude (like Mig-25) may just be the thing.

No one operate bombers anymore,these bombers arent that manuverable,with anti aircraft missiles these will be easy targets...moreover it is a step back from making multirole jets to dedicated jet(heavy on IAF POCKETS $$$)
But as i said ,we need to look into other designs ,if u see all a/c project follow same delta design,different design can help in our understanding of aviation & can surely create variety (using same parts)

 

[no smoking]

No one operate bombers anymore,these bombers arent that manuverable,with anti aircraft missiles these will be easy targets...

Russian is still flying Tu-160, working on PAK-DA;
Chinese is using their old H-6 and developing H-20;
Amerian is having B-52, B-2 and new B-21 is to fly very soon.

The tatics of modern bombers is launch the missile outside the range of anti-aircraft missiles.

 

[Bleh]

No one operate bombers anymore,

Is that so?..

...these bombers arent that manuverable,with anti aircraft missiles these will be easy targets...moreover it is a step back from making multirole jets to dedicated jet(heavy on IAF POCKETS $$$)

A Su-30/Rafale playing bomb-truck with 8-9 tom payload ain't manoeuvrable either. Its weapon's RCS makes it an even easier target to a stray BVR, but dedicated bombing & strike platforms don't need to manoeuvrable. They fly high, higher than service ceilings of most fighters & SAMs, often 50,000ft+.
To which I also added flying fast, supercruising atleast Mach 3 with triple F414/K-10 modified engines maybe (which is why I mentioned Mig-25 that flew unintercepted over Islamabad with impunity).

And nothing would stop it from carrying a decent radar & make room for a few BVR missiles inside it... Shot from high altitude at climbing threats below it, would enhance their speed & range!

 

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[Atcjurvin]

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Wtf bro do your advertisement some where else.

 

[Raju Seth]

Russian is still flying Tu-160, working on PAK-DA;
Chinese is using their old H-6 and developing H-20;
Amerian is having B-52, B-2 and new B-21 is to fly very soon.

The tatics of modern bombers is launch the missile outside the range of anti-aircraft missiles.

Given our budget & neighbours(their missile range),carpet bombing is not possible.SUch bombers were good in WW2 but not in modern warfare.Keeping a dedicated platform will be costly ,it would be better to invest in multirole,may be a jet which can be used as tanker,awacs,bomber but vulcan bomber cannot be used in modern wars

 

[Raju Seth]

Is that so?..
A Su-30/Rafale playing bomb-truck with 8-9 tom payload ain't manoeuvrable either. Its weapon's RCS makes it an even easier target to a stray BVR, but dedicated bombing & strike platforms don't need to manoeuvrable. They fly high, higher than service ceilings of most fighters & SAMs, often 50,000ft+.
To which I also added flying fast, supercruising atleast Mach 3 with triple F414/K-10 modified engines maybe (which is why I mentioned Mig-25 that flew unintercepted over Islamabad with impunity).

And nothing would stop it from carrying a decent radar & make room for a few BVR missiles inside it... Shot from high altitude at climbing threats below it, would enhance their speed & range!

and mig25 was small not big as V bomber,we should invest in multirole jets not dedicated platform..may be we can build a jet that can be used as cargo,awacs,tanker,bomber,passenger..investing in delta design & atlast coming out wth V bomber isnt productive

We should invest in design other than delta as well

 

[Bleh]

Thumbs up for Deccan Herald for this infographic.

Why doesn't India have any airbase in in the Andaman & Nicobar isles!?..

2-3 Sukhoi sqaudrons there would drastically negate any PLAN threat.

 

[IndianHawk]

Why doesn't India have any airbase in in the Andaman & Nicobar isles!?..

2-3 Sukhoi sqaudrons there would drastically negate any PLAN threat.

This is outdated. Sukhoi are already in andmann.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

This is outdated. Sukhoi are already in andmann.

Su30 stationed in Andaman with Brahmos would cause heavy losses to any invading naval force.

 

[Bhurki]

This is outdated. Sukhoi are already in andmann.

There is a difference between a 'Sukhoi' and a 'Sukhoi squadron'.

Why doesn't India have any airbase in in the Andaman & Nicobar isles!?..

2-3 Sukhoi sqaudrons there would drastically negate any PLAN threat.

As opposed to what others are saying
There are no dedicated air force squadrons stationed at Andaman islands.
The Sukhoi Su 30 that are stationed on the island are a detachment flight that was previously operational from thanjavur.

No.222 squadron which has been commissioned this week in thanjavur will now form the detachment at ANC tri command.

 

[Chinmoy]

Why? It's either that, or our 270 strong Sukhoi fleet spends the war doing only CAP & escort missions instead of lending a hand in the airstrikes... it has the maximum range and payload in IAF.
We have enough of them for some to play mule.

First of all MKI is an air superiority fighter. Its primary role was to establish air dominance over enemy territory. So in turning these into bombers means that we are diminishing its effectiveness in primary role. We should go for dedicated attack aircraft instead of turning a dedicated air superiority into a mediocre attack aircraft.
With the induction of 2 Rafale squads, I am hopeful that IAF would minimize the role of MKIs to CAPS or escort like what we have seen in Balakot episode.

@Raju Seth .... We have recently modified 2 sqds of the MKIs to carry BRAHMOS. As I have said above, by doing so we are diminishing its potential to be a true air to air adversary. Although we could pass it off because these are for specific use and would not see the level of usage as others. But just imagine, a dedicated bomber could compensate for 6 of these MKIs in a war scenario. Bombers are not for just carpet bombings. Bombers are force multipliers. Its the payload which matters when one compares a comber with that of an attack aircraft.

Talking of economics, YES, we can't afford a dedicated BOMBER sqd as of now. But brushing it under the carpet with make shift or JUGAAD arrangement would not help us in long run.

 

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[Suryavanshi]

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Paylaod 9 tones close to rafale that has 9.5 tones and F 16 that has 7.5.

F 15 highest with 10.4 ton