ADA Tejas Mark-II/Medium Weight Fighter

[Pulkit]

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Are these images based on real designs or just a design of ones expectation??
So are u saying Tejas Mk2 is going to be twin engine?

 

[Steven Rogers]

Are these images based on real designs or just a design of ones expectation??
So are u saying Tejas Mk2 is going to be twin engine?

It is actually TEDBF,and air Force variant will also be driven from this,this is exclusive navy,and these are posted by Vishnu Som and the actual source is HVTIAF so I guess these are coming from credible people...actually product may not be this and this is just a representation of the work they will do if they are funded...

 

[porky_kicker]

Are these images based on real designs or just a design of ones expectation??
So are u saying Tejas Mk2 is going to be twin engine?

Tejas MK3 ..........................

 

[Bhurki]

All India has are 6 squadrons.. what's the point in upgrading to DARIN III if you retire them within a couple of years..?

Thats what i'm asking too.
Even the upgraded squadrons will have the older engines and will get even heavier with the upgrades.
When they are already having problems with engines being underpowered now, how are they going to cope up with the increased weight without re-engining?

Only the unupgraded older squadrons would be retired in early 2020s .. I guess

How is any jaguar supposed to fly any longer than that? There are literally no extra engines other than the 30 spare ones that India got from France and the Mk 811 that India flies now produces 15-30% less thrust than required.

 

[Shashank Nayak]

Thats what i'm asking too.
Even the upgraded squadrons will have the older engines and will get even heavier with the upgrades.
When they are already having problems with engines being underpowered now, how are they going to cope up with the increased weight without re-engining?

They will be underpowered.. but will be used.. I came across an article saying 61 aircraft will be upgraded to Darin 3. So, means maybe 3 squadrons would fly longer... and the other 3 will be retired in early 2020s, and their engines cannibalized for maintaining the operational ones...

 

[Shashank Nayak]

AMCA : 5th Gen Multirole fighter for IAF by 2040

First flight of AMCA prototype in 2025..Production in 2029 -2030...

 

[Bhurki]

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They will be underpowered.. but will be used.. I came across an article saying 61 aircraft will be upgraded to Darin 3. So, means maybe 3 squadrons would fly longer... and the other 3 will be retired in early 2020s...

Whats the use of upgrades if.the engines can't lift the jet?
2x Mk 811 produce 7.5 t of thrust nominally. With reports like
https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-set...ade-could-buy-more-su-30-mkis-instead/278687/
"Jaguar engines have seen a 15-30% reduction in thrust, and the cost of the upgrade is too high."
They are now producing a total of no more than 6 tons of thrust.
How do they expect to keep a 15t aircraft airborne( even higher after Darin 3 upgrade) with nothing but 6t of thrust?

 

[Bleh]

AMCA can’t be doing extensive CAPs.

This...

In my opinion, Mk1, Mk1A, AMCA has the future. TEDBF and ORCA HAS NO FUTURE.

...And these new concepts wouldn't come up if they had no future, ORCA & TEDBF maybe the same thing.

Only one whose future looks bleak is this beauty here (unless TEDBF is based on it);

 

[Pulkit]

Tejas MK3 ..........................

That's a new term Tejas MK3..... I don't mind this being called another version of Tejas..... This will add to the great legacy of Tejas.....

 

[captscooby81]

Tejas MK2 is MWF Single Engine
Tejas MK3 is ORCA Twin Engine

That's a new term Tejas MK3..... I don't mind this being called another version of Tejas..... This will add to the great legacy of Tejas.....

 

[captscooby81]

LCA Naval has become TEDBF now after navy said Naval LCA1 is underpowered for its requirements

This...
...And these new concepts wouldn't come up if they had no future, ORCA & TEDBF maybe the same thing.

Only one whose future looks bleak is this beauty here (unless TEDBF is based on it);View attachment 41337

 

[Pulkit]

Tejas MK2 is MWF Single Engine
Tejas MK3 is ORCA Twin Engine

It's yet to be conceptualized but like I said I don't mind it being called Tejas MK3 though this is not even on the drawing board yet.....

 

[Pulkit]

LCA Naval has become TEDBF now after navy said Naval LCA1 is underpowered for its requirements

It won't be LCA anymore, if it's TEDBF .... It will be in medium category....

 

[Bhurki]

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Whats the use of upgrades if.the engines can't lift the jet?
2x Mk 811 produce 7.5 t of thrust nominally. With reports like
https://theprint.in/defence/iaf-set...ade-could-buy-more-su-30-mkis-instead/278687/
"Jaguar engines have seen a 15-30% reduction in thrust, and the cost of the upgrade is too high."
They are now producing a total of no more than 6 tons of thrust.
How do they expect to keep a 15t aircraft airborne( even higher after Darin 3 upgrade) with nothing but 6t of thrust?

Am i missing something here?......

 

[Suryavanshi]

Actually a lot:
1. Lockheed martin: F16, F22, F35A, F35B, F35C, TR-X, RQ-170 Sentinel, etc
2. Boeing: F15, F18, F/A-XX, XS-1 Phantom Express, Phantom Ray, X-37 etc

U are partly right but u gotta consider this all these entities just assemble,Integrate and manufacture some key parts.
The sub sytem from hayrdualics to Ball bearing and adhesive are manufactured by other smaller entities.

For instances over 120 companies are involved in the F22 project.

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=F-22_Raptor

These sub companies reduce the pressure on Core comapnies.

In our case HAL manufactures most of the sub system itself.

 

[Raju Seth]

We need to look into other designs as well apart from delta or we will be end up making vulcan bombers soon(in name of passenger jet / AWACS)

 

[Defcon 1]

U are partly right but u gotta consider this all these entities just assemble,Integrate and manufacture some key parts.
The sub sytem from hayrdualics to Ball bearing and adhesive are manufactured by other smaller entities.

For instances over 120 companies are involved in the F22 project.

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=F-22_Raptor

These sub companies reduce the pressure on Core comapnies.

In our case HAL manufactures most of the sub system itself.

The discussion was about design and development, and not manufacturing. The entities mentioned by me, Boeing, LM, UAC, AVIC are responsible for design and development of those aircraft

 

[Bleh]

We need to look into other designs as well apart from delta or we will be end up making vulcan bombers soon(in name of passenger jet / AWACS)

We might need something like that soon.
Once our Sukhois retire we'll need a good bomb-truck... A heavy jet with 40,000kg MTOW supercruising at high altitude (like Mig-25) may just be the thing.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

U are partly right but u gotta consider this all these entities just assemble,Integrate and manufacture some key parts.
The sub sytem from hayrdualics to Ball bearing and adhesive are manufactured by other smaller entities.

For instances over 120 companies are involved in the F22 project.

http://www.airframer.com/aircraft_detail.html?model=F-22_Raptor

These sub companies reduce the pressure on Core comapnies.

In our case HAL manufactures most of the sub system itself.

As far as I know for Tejas mk2, most of the subsystems and components are going to be manufactured by private companies and HAL will simply act as an integrator.

 

[Chinmoy]

We might need something like that soon.
Once our Sukhois retire we'll need a good bomb-truck... A heavy jet with 40,000kg MTOW supercruising at high altitude (like Mig-25) may just be the thing.

Using Su as a bomb truck in itself is insulting the potential of the platform. To tell the truth, it was nothing more then Jugaad.