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Even the IOC is delayed.. I think we will rename it to Late Combat Aircraft!! Annoying the way they delay everything on this Aircraft..
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If u got to take a leak u r welcomed to, u don't need to wait till IOC of Tejas.
If MMRCA decision is made, and an aircraft enters service. those aircraft flying in face of chinese Su-35 and J-20 will be the late previous century combat aircraft.
If IAF can shed its ego and induct Tejas with financial commitment for good number of orders, it will remain Latest combat Aircraft for Indian requirement and needs.
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Most annoying is people failing to see bigger picture(because of their myopic vision) and not understanding genuine reasons behind that delay(because of their narrow thinking).
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Cost To Develop Tejas Mk-2: $542-million
The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which oversees the development of India's Light Combat Aircraft Tejas programme will be sanctioned $542.44-million (Rs 2431.55-crore) to develop the Tejas Mk-2, making up Phase-III of the programme's full scale engineering development (FSED). Also, the deadline for final operational clearance for the Tejas Mk-1 is December 2012.
Livefist - Indian Defence & Aerospace: Cost To Develop Tejas Mk-2: $542-million
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instead of tejas mkII why don't we work on 5th gen aircraft
Cost To Develop Tejas Mk-2: $542-million
The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which oversees the development of India's Light Combat Aircraft Tejas programme will be sanctioned $542.44-million (Rs 2431.55-crore) to develop the Tejas Mk-2, making up Phase-III of the programme's full scale engineering development (FSED). Also, the deadline for final operational clearance for the Tejas Mk-1 is December 2012.
The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which oversees the development of India's Light Combat Aircraft Tejas programme will be sanctioned $542.44-million (Rs 2431.55-crore) to develop the Tejas Mk-2, making up Phase-III of the programme's full scale engineering development (FSED). Also, the deadline for final operational clearance for the Tejas Mk-1 is December 2012.
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Its easy for you guys to call me myopic but i have been waiting for this to get inducted since atleast 1999, watching every dead line get postponed or missed. I never seen the bird make one deadline on time. I agree we are novices compared to Europe,US,USSR in makeing aircraft but still deadlines and goals should have been set realistically..Just my opinion.
Does anyone know if the Mk-2 will have a new wing or intake design? I really hope we are done with the Delta wing configuration, i love to see another 4th gen aircraft which would be more commercially successful.
Does anyone know if the Mk-2 will have a new wing or intake design? I really hope we are done with the Delta wing configuration, i love to see another 4th gen aircraft which would be more commercially successful.
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Dont hold ur breath for the 5th gen, its not going to get IOC untill 2030 at the least. The 5th gen is all new technology with new material science, RC configuration, Avionics and aerodynamics. So its back to the drawing board and reinventing wheel by our self. I dont see US or even Russia helping us out this time. However i am hoping we could cox some Japanese Scientist working on the Mitsubishi Stealth fighter to sell some know how.
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http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-...gramId=1073755753&BV_ID=@@@&contentId=8548495
Tejas, India's first fighter aircraft, is combat ready. Here is the story of how it beat sceptics and sanctions
By Ramu Patil
Please do not allow the first flight of the Light Combat Aircraft to take place. The aircraft has not been developed with adequate rigour, and safety aspects have not been fully looked into. It would be a catastrophe if you allow it to fly.
This was the gist of a cable which landed on then defence minister George Fernandes's table in 2001. It came from a major US military aircraft manufacturer on January 3, a day before the maiden flight of the indigenously designed and developed Tejas. Even in India, many people were sceptical about the success of the fighter project, which started way back in 1983. In the subsequent 27 years, countless work-hours and 14,000 crore were spent on developing it. Justifiably, people wondered why India should invest so much on developing it when fighter aircraft were available off the shelf in the international market.
Fernandes, with supreme confidence in Team LCA, ignored the cable. The following morning the homegrown fighter, flown by Wing Commander Rajiv Kothiyal, soared into the clear Bangalore sky. "He [Fernandes] told us about the letter from the US only after the first flight was over," recalls Air Marshal (retired) Philip Rajkumar, head of the LCA flight test operations at that time and author of The Tejas Story: The Light Combat Aircraft Project.
But doubting Thomases sniggered. They said Tejas "flew somehow" and the real test for it would be to fly frequently and be part of the Indian Air Force. And exactly a decade after that historic first flight, the aircraft is now combat ready. The scientists at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), the nodal agency for developing the fighter, and the test crew at the National Flight Test Centre (NFTC) are confident. "Missiles, practice bombs and drop tanks have all been integrated and tested successfully. It is a very potent weapon now,'' says P.S. Subramanyam, project director (combat aircraft) and director, ADA.
According to K. Tamilmani, chief executive, Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC), the LCA is ready for Initial Operational Clearance (IOC).
CEMILAC, which is part of the Defence Research Development Organisation, is the certifying agency for all military aircraft and airborne systems in India. It goes only by the demonstrated performance of the aircraft and systems to certify it. All major envelope requirements for the IOC have been completed and safety aspects proved, says Tamilmani. "Some small things that still need to be completed would be done soon," he says.
A few parameters like firing missiles through radar targeting will be done before getting the IOC and handing over the aircraft to the IAF, which has ordered 40 LCAs. Bangalore-based state-owned aircraft maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will start rolling out Tejas in the next few months. Flying with the IAF would be a major milestone for this multi-mission tactical fighter capable of air combat, offensive air support and other combat missions. At the flight test stage, on an average, each aircraft does eight sorties per month, but in the operational squadrons, they will be flown almost every day. "It is a fully combat-ready aircraft that encompasses all features that the IAF wants,'' says Group Captain Suneet Krishna of the NFTC, who has been test flying the LCA and has been associated with the project for 10 years (see box). The NFTC pilots, from the IAF and the Navy, have so far completed 1,500 sorties, testing a number of parameters or test points.
"Tejas is so agile and so good that it sometimes surprises you," says NFTC Project Director Air Commodore Rohit Verma. The veteran pilot, who has flown the Russian MiGs and French Mirages, is in love with Tejas. Like pilots, flight test engineers, too, played an important role. Sitting at the hi-tech Telemetry Centre at the end of the HAL airport's runway, they monitor the test flights. In fact, the test director always has a better situational awareness of the aircraft than its pilot. All through the flight, the director is in touch with the pilot, while a specialist monitors the crucial parameters in the aircraft.
Says retired wing commander P.K. Raveendran, group director (flight testing), NFTC: "Each test flight requires a lot of preparation and analysis. Soon after the flight there will be a 'hot debrief', the first impression of the flight by the pilot and test engineers. That will be followed by 'data debrief', where each aspect is discussed in detail so that corrective action can be taken in time." He has been associated with the project from 1995 and is heading the team of "back room boys and girls" assisting the project.
"Young boys and girls worked late in the night and would report to work again by 7 a.m. That also included a woman, who had a kid to take care of at home," says former ADA director Dr Kota Harinarayana. "When I asked her, she said: 'Sir, my mother-in-law has told me she will take care of the baby so that I can focus on the national project.'"
"Like any true patriot, I feel happy to be part of this project," says Devadatta Maharana, who integrated the complex Airborne Separation Video System that captures the trajectory of bombs and drop tanks dropped from the aircraft. The special cameras mounted on Tejas capture 1,000 frames per second. Though it sounds simple, analysing separation of missiles, bombs or drop tank is crucial as any slight deviation in separation, at a very high speed, can prove disastrous for the aircraft.
State-of-the-art technologies like fly-by-wire, digital flight control and all composite structures have made Tejas technologically superior to many IAF fighters. "The LCA is far superior to the upgraded MiG 21s. It will be as good as any fourth generation fighter,'' says Rajkumar, who has 5,200 flying hours on 75 different aircraft. It was Rajkumar who set up the NFTC in 1994. Says Verma, "The LCA is a good bedrock for any future projects. The platform-neutral technology can be used for other platforms. After IOC, final operations clearance (FOC) would be a bit of challenge for us as we would be going in for a high angle of attack, more sensors, more weapons and big envelope. We will do FOC by the end of 2012."
Experts say Tejas is best suited for short duration missions, while heavier aircraft like the Sukhois can fly longer missions. But Sukhoi costs around 240 crore, and an upgraded Jaguar around 300 crore. Su-30MKI is one of the most capable flying machines in the IAF. However, the IAF cannot afford to have only those as they are very expensive and the operational costs are too heavy. The LCA, which is relatively less expensive—it costs around 150 crore and, with the upgrades, can go up to 200 crore—will fit into the light class of fighters. The IAF is acquiring 126 medium multi-role aircraft for $11 billion to strengthen its medium class fleet.
So far, a total of 25,000 crore has been invested on the LCA project. "Of that, around 14,000 was for development and rest of the money for making 40 aircraft," says Subramanyam. "If we look at 200 aircraft [for the IAF and the Navy], we will be getting business worth 50,000 crore.''
Though the project is now on the right flight path, the going was tough a few years ago. "When we started, 999 out of 1,000 people did not believe us," says Kota, known as the Father of the LCA. Long before the LCA project was even born, he had done his Ph.D thesis on the 'Design of an air superior fighter for India', at IIT Bombay. It was to honour Kota's contribution to the project that his initials 'KH' were inscribed on the aircraft that made the maiden flight.
Kota and his team were very cautious in their approach. "We were willing to accept criticism on account of delays rather than putting the project in danger," says Kota. "We conducted many tests, more than what are normally done. The aircraft was ready to fly in 1999, but we took one full year to test and re-test before deciding to fly it in 2001." An unassuming person, Kota is now working on the Regional Transport Aircraft (RTA) project.
Bridging the technology gap, too, was a huge challenge. HAL, the only aircraft-maker in the country, had not done much after its Marut programme in the early 60s, and India was two decades behind developments in aviation. In aviation, they say, one needs to keep running to stay where you are. And India was not even walking! Next was the difference of opinion between the IAF and DRDO. "The IAF was looking for an aircraft which would be on the frontline in 15 years or so," says Rajkumar, "while the aeronautical community felt that the technological gap had to be bridged by developing technologies like fly-by-wire, composite structures, and digital avionics. The IAF knew that it would take a long time to do this.''
After sitting on the fence all through the 80s, the IAF started supporting the project in the 90s. The project got a meaningful funding of 2,188 crore in 1993. Then came the US sanctions after Pokhran nuclear tests in 1998. Many thought it to be the end of the fighter project as the US firms GE and Lockheed Martin, which were helping with engines and avionics, respectively, pulled out overnight. Says Shyam Chetty, head of flight mechanics and control division: "When sanctions were imposed, we were in the US working with Lockheed Martin. They immediately asked us to leave the country and did not even allow us to enter their campus to collect our equipment and papers. It took many years to get them back. Meanwhile, we had to start from scratch to develop flight control law (FCL), which was a very important part of the project. That was a big challenge.''
To tackle the crisis, then DRDO head A.P.J. Abdul Kalam formed national teams to develop the crucial technologies within India. "We took it as a challenge and worked day and night," says Kota. "We developed all the required systems before the sanctions were lifted."
The teams conquered complex technologies like composite materials, digital fly-by-wire system and glass cockpit and established various testing facilities. Says National Aerospace Laboratory Director A.R. Upadhyay: "In my 18 years of association with the LCA project, I have become a better aerospace professional. Technologies like FCL and carbon fibre composites developed at NAL are helping many programmes including our Saras, a 14-seater aircraft, and also the RTA project."
A.K. Sood, RTA project adviser and former chief designer at HAL, has the same opinion. "The technology and expertise we developed for the LCA were used for conducting full aircraft vibration tests on Sukhoi and for vibration tests on external stores on Mirage 2000. That reduced our dependency on the foreign aircraft makers," he says.
But the ambition to develop a complex jet engine and equally difficult Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) led to delays. Even now, Tejas flies with a US-made engine and an Israeli radar.
Says Rajkumar: "It was an absurd managerial decision to give the task of developing a jet engine to GTRE [Gas Turbine Research Establishment] and radar development to HAL Hyderabad. They never had any experience of doing such complex work. The only organisation that could have developed the radar was LRDE [Electronics and Radar Development Establishment] and the HAL Engine Division in Bangalore, which had the experience of developing engines. Today, with the benefit of hindsight, we can say the decisions were wrong, though we cannot blame anyone."
The LCA Mark I that is now ready for IOC will fly with GE 404 IN20 engines while Mark II, the first flight of which is likely to be in December 2014, will fly with the more powerful GE 414 engines. Mark II will have a retractable fuel system and will improve on all deficiencies noticed in the former.
Lack of adequately trained workforce was also a problem. Says Rajkumar: "When the IJT [Intermediate Jet Trainer] project was taken up by HAL, the manpower got split. That had an adverse effect on the progress of the LCA project.'' But a transparent working system helped the project. Everyone in the ADA, IAF and airworthiness teams knew what the challenges were. "The system was so transparent that I used to joke that the LCA project was like a cabaret artiste without a G-string. It was totally transparent. There was nothing hidden,'' says Kota, with a hearty laugh.
Looking back at the long development period, Wing Comander Ajey Lele of Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA), New Delhi, says: "It was possible to complete the project a little earlier, but one must understand that developing aircraft is not a simple job. The criticism was very harsh, as if we were manufacturing something like a mobile phone.''
Fighter development projects take a lot of time. The development of European fighters took 25 years and the F22 Raptor of the US was a Cold War era project. "If it took over two decades for the US to develop the F22, India, too, will take time,'' Lele says. The process of developing a fighter helped private industry as well. Says Ashok Saxena, MD, Navvavia Technologies Private Limited: "Small and medium enterprises played a major role in the production of test equipment and components. Those companies are now getting business from many foreign firms looking for good quality, low-cost outsourcing for their own programmes." Saxena was managing director of HAL Bangalore Complex and was closely associated with the LCA project.
HAL will find it a challenge to meet production requirements. It will have to produce around 200 LCAs for the IAF and the Navy in the coming years. As of now, it is capable of making only eight aircraft a year and is planning to increase the capacity to 12. Which means, it requires nearly 18 years to make 200 fighters. Neither the IAF nor the Navy can wait that long.
http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-...gramId=1073755753&BV_ID=@@@&contentId=8548495
Tejas, India's first fighter aircraft, is combat ready. Here is the story of how it beat sceptics and sanctions
By Ramu Patil
Please do not allow the first flight of the Light Combat Aircraft to take place. The aircraft has not been developed with adequate rigour, and safety aspects have not been fully looked into. It would be a catastrophe if you allow it to fly.
This was the gist of a cable which landed on then defence minister George Fernandes's table in 2001. It came from a major US military aircraft manufacturer on January 3, a day before the maiden flight of the indigenously designed and developed Tejas. Even in India, many people were sceptical about the success of the fighter project, which started way back in 1983. In the subsequent 27 years, countless work-hours and 14,000 crore were spent on developing it. Justifiably, people wondered why India should invest so much on developing it when fighter aircraft were available off the shelf in the international market.
Fernandes, with supreme confidence in Team LCA, ignored the cable. The following morning the homegrown fighter, flown by Wing Commander Rajiv Kothiyal, soared into the clear Bangalore sky. "He [Fernandes] told us about the letter from the US only after the first flight was over," recalls Air Marshal (retired) Philip Rajkumar, head of the LCA flight test operations at that time and author of The Tejas Story: The Light Combat Aircraft Project.
But doubting Thomases sniggered. They said Tejas "flew somehow" and the real test for it would be to fly frequently and be part of the Indian Air Force. And exactly a decade after that historic first flight, the aircraft is now combat ready. The scientists at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), the nodal agency for developing the fighter, and the test crew at the National Flight Test Centre (NFTC) are confident. "Missiles, practice bombs and drop tanks have all been integrated and tested successfully. It is a very potent weapon now,'' says P.S. Subramanyam, project director (combat aircraft) and director, ADA.
According to K. Tamilmani, chief executive, Centre for Military Airworthiness and Certification (CEMILAC), the LCA is ready for Initial Operational Clearance (IOC).
CEMILAC, which is part of the Defence Research Development Organisation, is the certifying agency for all military aircraft and airborne systems in India. It goes only by the demonstrated performance of the aircraft and systems to certify it. All major envelope requirements for the IOC have been completed and safety aspects proved, says Tamilmani. "Some small things that still need to be completed would be done soon," he says.
A few parameters like firing missiles through radar targeting will be done before getting the IOC and handing over the aircraft to the IAF, which has ordered 40 LCAs. Bangalore-based state-owned aircraft maker Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) will start rolling out Tejas in the next few months. Flying with the IAF would be a major milestone for this multi-mission tactical fighter capable of air combat, offensive air support and other combat missions. At the flight test stage, on an average, each aircraft does eight sorties per month, but in the operational squadrons, they will be flown almost every day. "It is a fully combat-ready aircraft that encompasses all features that the IAF wants,'' says Group Captain Suneet Krishna of the NFTC, who has been test flying the LCA and has been associated with the project for 10 years (see box). The NFTC pilots, from the IAF and the Navy, have so far completed 1,500 sorties, testing a number of parameters or test points.
"Tejas is so agile and so good that it sometimes surprises you," says NFTC Project Director Air Commodore Rohit Verma. The veteran pilot, who has flown the Russian MiGs and French Mirages, is in love with Tejas. Like pilots, flight test engineers, too, played an important role. Sitting at the hi-tech Telemetry Centre at the end of the HAL airport's runway, they monitor the test flights. In fact, the test director always has a better situational awareness of the aircraft than its pilot. All through the flight, the director is in touch with the pilot, while a specialist monitors the crucial parameters in the aircraft.
Says retired wing commander P.K. Raveendran, group director (flight testing), NFTC: "Each test flight requires a lot of preparation and analysis. Soon after the flight there will be a 'hot debrief', the first impression of the flight by the pilot and test engineers. That will be followed by 'data debrief', where each aspect is discussed in detail so that corrective action can be taken in time." He has been associated with the project from 1995 and is heading the team of "back room boys and girls" assisting the project.
"Young boys and girls worked late in the night and would report to work again by 7 a.m. That also included a woman, who had a kid to take care of at home," says former ADA director Dr Kota Harinarayana. "When I asked her, she said: 'Sir, my mother-in-law has told me she will take care of the baby so that I can focus on the national project.'"
"Like any true patriot, I feel happy to be part of this project," says Devadatta Maharana, who integrated the complex Airborne Separation Video System that captures the trajectory of bombs and drop tanks dropped from the aircraft. The special cameras mounted on Tejas capture 1,000 frames per second. Though it sounds simple, analysing separation of missiles, bombs or drop tank is crucial as any slight deviation in separation, at a very high speed, can prove disastrous for the aircraft.
State-of-the-art technologies like fly-by-wire, digital flight control and all composite structures have made Tejas technologically superior to many IAF fighters. "The LCA is far superior to the upgraded MiG 21s. It will be as good as any fourth generation fighter,'' says Rajkumar, who has 5,200 flying hours on 75 different aircraft. It was Rajkumar who set up the NFTC in 1994. Says Verma, "The LCA is a good bedrock for any future projects. The platform-neutral technology can be used for other platforms. After IOC, final operations clearance (FOC) would be a bit of challenge for us as we would be going in for a high angle of attack, more sensors, more weapons and big envelope. We will do FOC by the end of 2012."
Experts say Tejas is best suited for short duration missions, while heavier aircraft like the Sukhois can fly longer missions. But Sukhoi costs around 240 crore, and an upgraded Jaguar around 300 crore. Su-30MKI is one of the most capable flying machines in the IAF. However, the IAF cannot afford to have only those as they are very expensive and the operational costs are too heavy. The LCA, which is relatively less expensive—it costs around 150 crore and, with the upgrades, can go up to 200 crore—will fit into the light class of fighters. The IAF is acquiring 126 medium multi-role aircraft for $11 billion to strengthen its medium class fleet.
So far, a total of 25,000 crore has been invested on the LCA project. "Of that, around 14,000 was for development and rest of the money for making 40 aircraft," says Subramanyam. "If we look at 200 aircraft [for the IAF and the Navy], we will be getting business worth 50,000 crore.''
Though the project is now on the right flight path, the going was tough a few years ago. "When we started, 999 out of 1,000 people did not believe us," says Kota, known as the Father of the LCA. Long before the LCA project was even born, he had done his Ph.D thesis on the 'Design of an air superior fighter for India', at IIT Bombay. It was to honour Kota's contribution to the project that his initials 'KH' were inscribed on the aircraft that made the maiden flight.
Kota and his team were very cautious in their approach. "We were willing to accept criticism on account of delays rather than putting the project in danger," says Kota. "We conducted many tests, more than what are normally done. The aircraft was ready to fly in 1999, but we took one full year to test and re-test before deciding to fly it in 2001." An unassuming person, Kota is now working on the Regional Transport Aircraft (RTA) project.
Bridging the technology gap, too, was a huge challenge. HAL, the only aircraft-maker in the country, had not done much after its Marut programme in the early 60s, and India was two decades behind developments in aviation. In aviation, they say, one needs to keep running to stay where you are. And India was not even walking! Next was the difference of opinion between the IAF and DRDO. "The IAF was looking for an aircraft which would be on the frontline in 15 years or so," says Rajkumar, "while the aeronautical community felt that the technological gap had to be bridged by developing technologies like fly-by-wire, composite structures, and digital avionics. The IAF knew that it would take a long time to do this.''
After sitting on the fence all through the 80s, the IAF started supporting the project in the 90s. The project got a meaningful funding of 2,188 crore in 1993. Then came the US sanctions after Pokhran nuclear tests in 1998. Many thought it to be the end of the fighter project as the US firms GE and Lockheed Martin, which were helping with engines and avionics, respectively, pulled out overnight. Says Shyam Chetty, head of flight mechanics and control division: "When sanctions were imposed, we were in the US working with Lockheed Martin. They immediately asked us to leave the country and did not even allow us to enter their campus to collect our equipment and papers. It took many years to get them back. Meanwhile, we had to start from scratch to develop flight control law (FCL), which was a very important part of the project. That was a big challenge.''
To tackle the crisis, then DRDO head A.P.J. Abdul Kalam formed national teams to develop the crucial technologies within India. "We took it as a challenge and worked day and night," says Kota. "We developed all the required systems before the sanctions were lifted."
The teams conquered complex technologies like composite materials, digital fly-by-wire system and glass cockpit and established various testing facilities. Says National Aerospace Laboratory Director A.R. Upadhyay: "In my 18 years of association with the LCA project, I have become a better aerospace professional. Technologies like FCL and carbon fibre composites developed at NAL are helping many programmes including our Saras, a 14-seater aircraft, and also the RTA project."
A.K. Sood, RTA project adviser and former chief designer at HAL, has the same opinion. "The technology and expertise we developed for the LCA were used for conducting full aircraft vibration tests on Sukhoi and for vibration tests on external stores on Mirage 2000. That reduced our dependency on the foreign aircraft makers," he says.
But the ambition to develop a complex jet engine and equally difficult Multi-Mode Radar (MMR) led to delays. Even now, Tejas flies with a US-made engine and an Israeli radar.
Says Rajkumar: "It was an absurd managerial decision to give the task of developing a jet engine to GTRE [Gas Turbine Research Establishment] and radar development to HAL Hyderabad. They never had any experience of doing such complex work. The only organisation that could have developed the radar was LRDE [Electronics and Radar Development Establishment] and the HAL Engine Division in Bangalore, which had the experience of developing engines. Today, with the benefit of hindsight, we can say the decisions were wrong, though we cannot blame anyone."
The LCA Mark I that is now ready for IOC will fly with GE 404 IN20 engines while Mark II, the first flight of which is likely to be in December 2014, will fly with the more powerful GE 414 engines. Mark II will have a retractable fuel system and will improve on all deficiencies noticed in the former.
Lack of adequately trained workforce was also a problem. Says Rajkumar: "When the IJT [Intermediate Jet Trainer] project was taken up by HAL, the manpower got split. That had an adverse effect on the progress of the LCA project.'' But a transparent working system helped the project. Everyone in the ADA, IAF and airworthiness teams knew what the challenges were. "The system was so transparent that I used to joke that the LCA project was like a cabaret artiste without a G-string. It was totally transparent. There was nothing hidden,'' says Kota, with a hearty laugh.
Looking back at the long development period, Wing Comander Ajey Lele of Institute of Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA), New Delhi, says: "It was possible to complete the project a little earlier, but one must understand that developing aircraft is not a simple job. The criticism was very harsh, as if we were manufacturing something like a mobile phone.''
Fighter development projects take a lot of time. The development of European fighters took 25 years and the F22 Raptor of the US was a Cold War era project. "If it took over two decades for the US to develop the F22, India, too, will take time,'' Lele says. The process of developing a fighter helped private industry as well. Says Ashok Saxena, MD, Navvavia Technologies Private Limited: "Small and medium enterprises played a major role in the production of test equipment and components. Those companies are now getting business from many foreign firms looking for good quality, low-cost outsourcing for their own programmes." Saxena was managing director of HAL Bangalore Complex and was closely associated with the LCA project.
HAL will find it a challenge to meet production requirements. It will have to produce around 200 LCAs for the IAF and the Navy in the coming years. As of now, it is capable of making only eight aircraft a year and is planning to increase the capacity to 12. Which means, it requires nearly 18 years to make 200 fighters. Neither the IAF nor the Navy can wait that long.
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Antony tilted the balance in favour of the LCA
Ready for more challenges: Subramanyam
INTERVIEW/P.S. SUBRAMANYAM, PROJECT DIRECTOR (COMBAT AIRCRAFT) AND DIRECTOR, ADA
He wears a Henry Sandoz, a self-winding wrist-watch purchased when he got a Rs:750 scholarship in school in the early 60s, and he loves to drive his 25-year-old Fiat. P.S. Subramanyam, project director (combat aircraft) and director of Aeronautical Development Agency, has never felt the need to change the watch and the car that are close to his heart. But on the work front, he is heading projects that are evolving to keep pace with the global technological advancements. He spoke to THE WEEK about the LCA project. Excerpts:
After a long delay, the LCA is ready. How does it feel?
Everyone talks about the delays. It is not correct to say that the programme started in 1983, when the government first thought of working on a combat aircraft. They decided to put Rs:560 crore seed money for preparing the project definition, but there was no clarity. Even the air staff requirement (ASR) [standards for the engine] came only in 1985. In 1987-88, the project definition was prepared and the proposal to make prototypes was submitted. The government said they cannot take a risk with that kind of money and they split the programme into two parts; technology demonstration (TD) programme and proto-vehicle development project. In 1993, they gave Rs:2,199 crore for the TD. So, the actual programme started only in 1993. In fact, clarity came only in 2004-05. In 2001, we flew the first aircraft and in 2004, we did the TD for the government, after which they released 3,320 crore. The first proto vehicle (PV1) came out in December 2005. The IAF got confidence in the programme and gave the standard of preparation of fighter aircraft. So, the fillip came in 2005. From then on, the programme has been progressing rapidly, especially after Defence Minister A.K. Antony tilted the balance in favour of the LCA by publicly stating that the government would support the project, irrespective of any developments.
Is it ready for Initial Operational Clearance?
As of now, we have all equipment onboard, all sensors are functioning, all weapons integrated, carried and released. We have come to the IOC level. We are awaiting an endorsement from the defence minister.
Does the aircraft meet all the ASRs?
I will not say it will meet all the ASRs in which case we would not have brought in the alternative engine. There will be some deficiencies related to engine performance. The IAF is aware of all these aspects.
After the IOC, the next challenge would be the Final Operations Clearance?
Yes, FOC is the next major thing. But we do not see any problem in that. Beyond Visual Range missiles, some other weapons have to be integrated. That will be done by 2012.
What about the LCA Navy project?
The aircraft carrier that the Navy is building in Kochi and the other carrier, Vikramaditya, are looking for a light combat aircraft. No one else in the world is making this class of 10-tonne aircraft for a carrier with ramp take-off. We have taken the commitment very seriously and are putting all our best efforts to ensure its first flight in first quarter of 2011.
For conducting the carrier compatibility trials, we are building a mock-up of the aircraft carrier at a shore-based test facility in Goa. By the next quarter or so the take-off region will be ready.
How did the project help the industry?
When we started the programme, our technologies were second generation, which were almost three decades old. Today, the world says we are four-plus generation. It is not only the aircraft, but all technologies, design, analysis, simulation, ground testing, flight testing and assembling have been upgraded. The money has gone into developing an eco-system that helps private industries.
How did you handle the criticism about the programme?
Our leaders totally insured us from all criticism. While they took care of all those aspects, they gave us day-to-day challenges. We never got exposed to the media and never took it seriously.
What after the LCA project?
The IAF is saying 'Let us make a fifth generation aircraft, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft'. The seed money has been given, and the IAF is working very closely with us to evolve the specifications so that the programme can start. Also, the Unmanned Aerial Combat Aircraft programme is coming up and money has already been given. That is a little more advanced than the AMCA because of its stealth characteristics.
Ready for more challenges: Subramanyam
INTERVIEW/P.S. SUBRAMANYAM, PROJECT DIRECTOR (COMBAT AIRCRAFT) AND DIRECTOR, ADA
He wears a Henry Sandoz, a self-winding wrist-watch purchased when he got a Rs:750 scholarship in school in the early 60s, and he loves to drive his 25-year-old Fiat. P.S. Subramanyam, project director (combat aircraft) and director of Aeronautical Development Agency, has never felt the need to change the watch and the car that are close to his heart. But on the work front, he is heading projects that are evolving to keep pace with the global technological advancements. He spoke to THE WEEK about the LCA project. Excerpts:
After a long delay, the LCA is ready. How does it feel?
Everyone talks about the delays. It is not correct to say that the programme started in 1983, when the government first thought of working on a combat aircraft. They decided to put Rs:560 crore seed money for preparing the project definition, but there was no clarity. Even the air staff requirement (ASR) [standards for the engine] came only in 1985. In 1987-88, the project definition was prepared and the proposal to make prototypes was submitted. The government said they cannot take a risk with that kind of money and they split the programme into two parts; technology demonstration (TD) programme and proto-vehicle development project. In 1993, they gave Rs:2,199 crore for the TD. So, the actual programme started only in 1993. In fact, clarity came only in 2004-05. In 2001, we flew the first aircraft and in 2004, we did the TD for the government, after which they released 3,320 crore. The first proto vehicle (PV1) came out in December 2005. The IAF got confidence in the programme and gave the standard of preparation of fighter aircraft. So, the fillip came in 2005. From then on, the programme has been progressing rapidly, especially after Defence Minister A.K. Antony tilted the balance in favour of the LCA by publicly stating that the government would support the project, irrespective of any developments.
Is it ready for Initial Operational Clearance?
As of now, we have all equipment onboard, all sensors are functioning, all weapons integrated, carried and released. We have come to the IOC level. We are awaiting an endorsement from the defence minister.
Does the aircraft meet all the ASRs?
I will not say it will meet all the ASRs in which case we would not have brought in the alternative engine. There will be some deficiencies related to engine performance. The IAF is aware of all these aspects.
After the IOC, the next challenge would be the Final Operations Clearance?
Yes, FOC is the next major thing. But we do not see any problem in that. Beyond Visual Range missiles, some other weapons have to be integrated. That will be done by 2012.
What about the LCA Navy project?
The aircraft carrier that the Navy is building in Kochi and the other carrier, Vikramaditya, are looking for a light combat aircraft. No one else in the world is making this class of 10-tonne aircraft for a carrier with ramp take-off. We have taken the commitment very seriously and are putting all our best efforts to ensure its first flight in first quarter of 2011.
For conducting the carrier compatibility trials, we are building a mock-up of the aircraft carrier at a shore-based test facility in Goa. By the next quarter or so the take-off region will be ready.
How did the project help the industry?
When we started the programme, our technologies were second generation, which were almost three decades old. Today, the world says we are four-plus generation. It is not only the aircraft, but all technologies, design, analysis, simulation, ground testing, flight testing and assembling have been upgraded. The money has gone into developing an eco-system that helps private industries.
How did you handle the criticism about the programme?
Our leaders totally insured us from all criticism. While they took care of all those aspects, they gave us day-to-day challenges. We never got exposed to the media and never took it seriously.
What after the LCA project?
The IAF is saying 'Let us make a fifth generation aircraft, the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft'. The seed money has been given, and the IAF is working very closely with us to evolve the specifications so that the programme can start. Also, the Unmanned Aerial Combat Aircraft programme is coming up and money has already been given. That is a little more advanced than the AMCA because of its stealth characteristics.
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Tejas is a pilot's aircraft
Here to stay: Group Captain Suneet Krishna says Tejas can be improved over the years / Photo: Bhanu Prakash Chandra
COCKPIT VIEW
Group Captain Suneet Krishna, a veteran who has flown MiG 27s and Mirages, has been associated with the LCA project since 2000, a year before the first aircraft took to skies. He has seen Tejas taking shape, growing from a mere flying machine to combat-ready fighter. He has flown Tejas extensively and loves it. "The good thing about Tejas is that it's a pilots' aircraft. It has been designed by the pilots and for the pilots," he says.
According to Krishna, Tejas has improved a lot over the years. "In 2001, when we made the first flight, there were a lot of doubts among people and the scientific community. Even the IAF was a little sceptical. But over the years, we have flown 1,500 sorties. The aircraft has been doing well and we have achieved most of the targets we had set for ourselves. It has improved a lot," he says.
On how it compares with the MiGs, Krishna says Tejas is a well balanced aircraft, capable of fulfilling the roles for which it has been designed and developed. "It has state-of-the-art technology and we can keep improving on it as Tejas is going to be there for many years," says Krishna. "We can keep adding or modifying it as per our requirements. The good thing is that the technology is in our hands and we do not have to depend on anyone else."
Does anything need to be improved? "Whatever was needed has been improved as of now," says Krishna. "First, we demonstrated and proved the technology and then, the first 200 flights proved our capability to develop advanced flight control systems and integrate modern avionics and other technologies. We have now developed an aircraft as per the IAF requirement, and it is almost ready for induction. It is a complete combat-ready aircraft. It can go into a combat and demonstrate its capabilities."
Here to stay: Group Captain Suneet Krishna says Tejas can be improved over the years / Photo: Bhanu Prakash Chandra
COCKPIT VIEW
Group Captain Suneet Krishna, a veteran who has flown MiG 27s and Mirages, has been associated with the LCA project since 2000, a year before the first aircraft took to skies. He has seen Tejas taking shape, growing from a mere flying machine to combat-ready fighter. He has flown Tejas extensively and loves it. "The good thing about Tejas is that it's a pilots' aircraft. It has been designed by the pilots and for the pilots," he says.
According to Krishna, Tejas has improved a lot over the years. "In 2001, when we made the first flight, there were a lot of doubts among people and the scientific community. Even the IAF was a little sceptical. But over the years, we have flown 1,500 sorties. The aircraft has been doing well and we have achieved most of the targets we had set for ourselves. It has improved a lot," he says.
On how it compares with the MiGs, Krishna says Tejas is a well balanced aircraft, capable of fulfilling the roles for which it has been designed and developed. "It has state-of-the-art technology and we can keep improving on it as Tejas is going to be there for many years," says Krishna. "We can keep adding or modifying it as per our requirements. The good thing is that the technology is in our hands and we do not have to depend on anyone else."
Does anything need to be improved? "Whatever was needed has been improved as of now," says Krishna. "First, we demonstrated and proved the technology and then, the first 200 flights proved our capability to develop advanced flight control systems and integrate modern avionics and other technologies. We have now developed an aircraft as per the IAF requirement, and it is almost ready for induction. It is a complete combat-ready aircraft. It can go into a combat and demonstrate its capabilities."
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check this out:
http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/12/low-intensity-explosion-at-cabs.html
(IMPORTANT: Please note that the incident occurred AHEAD of the fuel tank(s) test and NOT during the test. Request, all those who copy this post, NOT to blow it out of proportion. The Tejas IOC is on track and the mega event will happen on January 10, 2011 as reported earlier. Tonight, Tarmak007 will have an interesting video along with the regular Tejas update -- as a New Year Special.)
http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2010/12/low-intensity-explosion-at-cabs.html
(IMPORTANT: Please note that the incident occurred AHEAD of the fuel tank(s) test and NOT during the test. Request, all those who copy this post, NOT to blow it out of proportion. The Tejas IOC is on track and the mega event will happen on January 10, 2011 as reported earlier. Tonight, Tarmak007 will have an interesting video along with the regular Tejas update -- as a New Year Special.)
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Can we have little thought ful statements rather then such low life ones
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LCA Tejas- News & discussion
Since the previous thread is closed here is a new one...
Tejas test fires R-73 in Goa.. Video...
http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2011/01/test.html
Since the previous thread is closed here is a new one...
Tejas test fires R-73 in Goa.. Video...
http://tarmak007.blogspot.com/2011/01/test.html
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Why it is closed?
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don't know...........
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http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=14087
The LCAs fuel tank exploded in a lightning test and that is not of any concern to IOC?!!! That is too much of bending over backwards, just to see this inducted. If the fuel tank explosion does not concern IOC i dont know what does. I think they r just going to push it in service.
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exceeded the number of posts i suppose.
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