With all due respect, cheap excuse is that Tejas is not good enough, or any domestically produced weapon is not good enough.
@Sancho , I admire your tenacity, so I'll choose not to draw this argument out. Lets just agree to disagree. I give up on trying to explain to you the sheer importance and indispensability of making DRDO work. You want DRDO to be de-linked from AMCA. Good luck trying to make AMCA a reality without them. Take your begging bowl and go to the foreign MIC behmoths in hopes that they will part with the crown jeewls of their technology. If DRDO is left to languish in its problems, its going to end up being a disaster for the indigenous MIC. But it seems that this fact has no importance in your mind. Indeed it seems like you consider the entire effort of indigenisation to be pointless and beyond futile. All I ask is, that you stay an active member of this forum for 15 more years. And that you remember your disdain for DRDO when it emerges as a global powerhouse in terms of top notch military R&D within this 15 year period.IN can't create industry, they are involved in naval design, but that's it.The fact that we have so many shipyards, or that L&T or Pipavav are more committed to own R&D, than any privat player in the aviation sector so far, has nothing to do with the forces.
HAL is not IAF owned, but by the government and the same is the case for ADA and NAL, which is everything India has in the aviation industry and which are dependent on each other. That's the key difference to the Indian naval industry. More players, more know how and experience.
Which proves, that even if the navy would be more committed than IAF, the problem is the limited industry!
That's why the LCA and MKI and MMRCA/SE MMRCA programms are so important for the nation, to build up the Indian aviation industry, in a much broader and capable way, than what we even have today.
What has IAF to do with the development failure of kaveri? With the performance issues of DRDOs radar, Astra or Sudharshan?
Development failures, mistakes or delays are based on the developing agency, not the customer!
The difference is years if delays! You can't honestly think that IAF in 2017 can accept technical capabilities that were agreed on in the 90s and was suppose to be delivered years ago. These delays are caused by development problems, not high requirements, just as IAF asks for modernisations, because of development delays.
No doubt about that, but most of what you pointed to, has nothing to do with Tejas development, so has no relevance here.
Of course because the priority is not on the sub systems they should develop, but on the main projects, LCA / FGFA / AMCA.
If DRDO delivers, great, but don't make the fighter programmes dependent on DRDO promises and simply use the access to techs and systems we have!
You are mixing things up here, with the issues of ADA and you can't defend blame that is well deserved. There is a reason why DRDO gets blamed by everyone, because they are not delivering to their great promises! So it's on them to change things, to not get blamed and not on us, to simply be silent.
Here again you don't understand that DRDO is not important for AMCA, they can't contribute anything important to the programme, without getting foreign help on their own(Israeli help for radar, French help for engine, maybe Swedish for EW). Important are the designers, developers and the production agency (ADA, HAL or private players), while anything else can be sourced from abroad if necessary.
So leave DRDO out and let them develop sub components independently, if they deliver great, if not the fighter programme is not at risk.
I know the details of exactly how many times IAF had to be spanked for a MK-1A deal to come through. MK-2 can also be a done deal with clear timelines and HAL and others will fall in line but with the Imported AF it is a long, time taking process.
Dada, our opinions doesn't matter. DRDO bashing is not a new phenomena, it is age old now, it is just the fact that we have got just another frustrated chap here. DRDO IS and WILL continue to be incharge of all major project no matter what other say either a managing agency or a directly involved agency. But if one wants to enter in Defense here it has to go through DRDO just like other sister organisations such as DAE is the big daddy in Nuclear sector and ISRO in space. There is NO chance in near or distant future that these organisations are going to loose there charm, doesn't matter who the mantri is, what he and his pet patrakars says, or even frustrated people who read such articles says. I am currently seeing the CVRDE funded nano coolant for AFVs here in VIT , vellore they are literally working there ass of with salaries almost 1/10 of foreign counter parts, almost budget too is pitiful and above that the skills are limited as bright minds leave country after GRE. It may be true that people are frustrated but believe me the people working day and night in lab are frustated more than us. Add to that the constant bad mouthing, red tape and at the end NO RECOGNITION AT ALL.
That is the point. mk1 wasn't worth much in 2014 but it is now good enough & mk1A is even better b/c and let me stress it
You can remove drdo, but after that, you have to beg with bowl to foreign vendors for :-GaN radar, EW Suite which includes active SPJ based on DRFM memory , a gas turbine engine, and if you think HAL gonna manufacture gef414epe, then expect Royalties paid too, a2a missile, smart bombs, HUD, HMD/S, mission computers, active array technology(some called it restricted technology), advance navigation, advance JFT, nano composites, stealth coating material,and various IRST sensors for 360 optic awareness.
The project for design and development of Light combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas Mk-II was sanctioned in November 2009 at a cost of Rs.2431.55 Crore with Probable Date of Completion (PDC) of December 2018. However, because of delay in finalisation of Engine Contract, the project could start only in December 2013. As a result, maiden flight of first Prototype and Operational Clearance are likely to be completed by December 2019 and December 2022, respectively. There after induction.
The invincibles, not the invisibles.Happy Republic Day !!
Keep Flying !
The video by @Vikramaditya also mentions it as INVISIBLES
There is plant setup in Pune for that purpose. IIRC the engine would be assembled there.
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