ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[guru-dutt]

Is it I Derby ER? It would be great if it is. Now its python 5 turn.

Derby ER is Derby basically and can be intrated in any platform which uses derby like plug and play ... cheers mate

but as for the test it as not the guided type 5 more tests yet to follow last three bieng the guided ones

 

[guru-dutt]

What are the main advantages of IRST as in Mig29 and Su30? Can Tejas be integrated with one in future?

IRST is for detecting and locking your heat seeking BVRs without using radar but the heat signature of the enemy aircraft but tejas is not intigrated with one maybe the MK1a might have one as an external pod or maybe like hybrid pod+ feul tank on the centre line pylon like FA-18 EF

 

[kaboom!]

THE INSCRUTABLE INDIANS

SOURCE DECCAN CHRONICLE

Every time he kissed the skies in a made-in-India ‘Tejas’ at Aero India or elsewhere, Group Captain Suneet Krishna (Retd) had air warriors and aviation enthusiasts alike rooting for more of his heart-stopping manoeuvers.
That was till January 31. On February 1, this top gun walked away to the corporate world at the end of a wrangle between the country’s defence scientists and the Indian Air Force (IAF). At one point, it reached the office of defence minister Manohar Parrikar, and the minister reportedly advised the top brass of DRDO and IAF to put an end to their disagreement.

The row was over denying this ace test pilot, the captain’s seat (pilot-in-command) in the ‘Eye-in-the-sky’, the Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) aircraft developed by Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS), Bengaluru, and undergoing evaluation now ahead of its induction by the IAF later this year.

The reason? Group Captain Suneet Krishna (Retd) was considered a ‘civilian test pilot’ by the air strike wing because he opted for voluntary retirement from IAF in 2012, and therefore could not occupy the captain’s seat.

“He was torpedoed by the air force though he holds the record of flying all types of fighters, and even some transport jets, for close to 5,000 hours. If Brazilian pilots could occupy the captain’s seat when the Embraer-145 aircraft was bought for AEW&C project, how can the IAF prevent its former pilot from doing so? His exit will be a great loss for both ‘Tejas’ and AEW&C projects because no-one can match his expertise,” remarked his former commandant who also played a key role in these projects.

The fact that he had served the IAF for more than two decades did not seem to count. Nor did the top brass of IAF, factor in his contribution to making ‘Tejas’ a completely pilot-friendly and world-class fighter jet because he logged the highest number of hours onboard the indigenous aircraft and his inputs helped modify the cockpit over the years. In fact, he has flown the prototypes, the production and operational versions of ‘Tejas’, even test-fired missiles and laser-guided bombs.

He was the pilot who demonstrated the military jet’s agility to Mr Parrikar in Bengaluru on January 17, 2015, the day when ‘Tejas’ was inducted into the IAF’s fleet. In fact, this ace test pilot encountered turbulence the moment he joined CABS in May 2015 with those at the helm at IAF’s Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE), Bengaluru, insisting that only their officers could occupy the captain’s seat, although they were junior to Group Captain Suneet Krishna (retired). He flew 100 sorties as the tussle escalated. In the end though, with no solution in sight, he decided to join the corporate world and relocate to Mumbai.

 

[cobra commando]

LCA TEJAS FIRES RAFAEL DERBY BVRAAM

 

[Pret]

http://www.livefistdefence.com/2010/08/indian-navy-harrier-upgrade-imprudent.html

THE INSCRUTABLE INDIANS

SOURCE DECCAN CHRONICLE

Every time he kissed the skies in a made-in-India ‘Tejas’ at Aero India or elsewhere, Group Captain Suneet Krishna (Retd) had air warriors and aviation enthusiasts alike rooting for more of his heart-stopping manoeuvers.
That was till January 31. On February 1, this top gun walked away to the corporate world at the end of a wrangle between the country’s defence scientists and the Indian Air Force (IAF). At one point, it reached the office of defence minister Manohar Parrikar, and the minister reportedly advised the top brass of DRDO and IAF to put an end to their disagreement.

The row was over denying this ace test pilot, the captain’s seat (pilot-in-command) in the ‘Eye-in-the-sky’, the Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) aircraft developed by Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS), Bengaluru, and undergoing evaluation now ahead of its induction by the IAF later this year.

The reason? Group Captain Suneet Krishna (Retd) was considered a ‘civilian test pilot’ by the air strike wing because he opted for voluntary retirement from IAF in 2012, and therefore could not occupy the captain’s seat.

“He was torpedoed by the air force though he holds the record of flying all types of fighters, and even some transport jets, for close to 5,000 hours. If Brazilian pilots could occupy the captain’s seat when the Embraer-145 aircraft was bought for AEW&C project, how can the IAF prevent its former pilot from doing so? His exit will be a great loss for both ‘Tejas’ and AEW&C projects because no-one can match his expertise,” remarked his former commandant who also played a key role in these projects.

The fact that he had served the IAF for more than two decades did not seem to count. Nor did the top brass of IAF, factor in his contribution to making ‘Tejas’ a completely pilot-friendly and world-class fighter jet because he logged the highest number of hours onboard the indigenous aircraft and his inputs helped modify the cockpit over the years. In fact, he has flown the prototypes, the production and operational versions of ‘Tejas’, even test-fired missiles and laser-guided bombs.

He was the pilot who demonstrated the military jet’s agility to Mr Parrikar in Bengaluru on January 17, 2015, the day when ‘Tejas’ was inducted into the IAF’s fleet. In fact, this ace test pilot encountered turbulence the moment he joined CABS in May 2015 with those at the helm at IAF’s Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE), Bengaluru, insisting that only their officers could occupy the captain’s seat, although they were junior to Group Captain Suneet Krishna (retired). He flew 100 sorties as the tussle escalated. In the end though, with no solution in sight, he decided to join the corporate world and relocate to Mumbai.

why would IAF allow a retired pilot to be "captain"..test pilot is fine but captainship of IAF aircraft isn't legitimate

 

[tejas warrior]

• Combo pix show Tejas LSP-7 firing Derby missile at Jamnagar.
  

 

[Ved]

The missile seems to dip after just a few metres after launch.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

Guys have you read this article and please share ur view about it ....
http://www.thehindu.com/news/nation...velopment-is-mere-purchase/article8199677.ece

That was true (Not completely ) up to some time ago. However the realities have changed a lot since 2000. We have robust R & D and we have developed some state of art missiles and some other technologies in last decade and half. Our contribution in missiles like BRAHMOS and LRSAM is significant. These missile could become super weapons because of our contribution only. We have build a state of art plane like tejas. Our R & D has geared up now. We are making AMCA. A lots of new technologies shall be developed and once the infrastructure is put in place, the cost of home made stuff shall go down a lot.

 

[HariPrasad-1]

'sar'..they haven't integrated Astra with LCA "yet"

Durby is still not integrated with our MMR , I believe . This is just a fire of missile.

 

[Pret]

LCA at aeroindia ( wrong caption ... )

 

[Pret]

Durby is still not integrated with our MMR , I believe . This is just a fire of missile.

this test didn't involve MMR but that doesn't mean that MMR is not integrated with Derby .

 

[HariPrasad-1]

this test didn't involve MMR but that doesn't mean that MMR is not integrated with Derby .

May be but Radar did not guide missile in initial stage.

 

[Nuvneet Kundu]

What is range of tejas with in-flight refuelling?

In flight refueling increases the range of any plane to infinite, does it not? As long as you keep filling it, the plane will keep flying until the engine wears out. I think the term you were looking for was drop tanks?

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

Well this was a ballistic non guided test means only the wiring pylon detachment of the missile were tested

So even the missile engine / motor would have not been started

Only the separation of missile from pylon would have been tested

 

[Pret]

May be but Radar did not guide missile in initial stage.

yes it didn't...no guidance was involved...they just pushed the button ( and missile released )

Well this was a ballistic non guided test means only the wiring pylon detachment of the missile were tested

So even the missile engine / motor would have not been started

Only the separation of missile from pylon would have been tested

"
So even the missile engine / motor would have not been started" seriously ? derby is a single stage missile so..

 

[abingdonboy]

THE INSCRUTABLE INDIANS

SOURCE DECCAN CHRONICLE

Every time he kissed the skies in a made-in-India ‘Tejas’ at Aero India or elsewhere, Group Captain Suneet Krishna (Retd) had air warriors and aviation enthusiasts alike rooting for more of his heart-stopping manoeuvers.
That was till January 31. On February 1, this top gun walked away to the corporate world at the end of a wrangle between the country’s defence scientists and the Indian Air Force (IAF). At one point, it reached the office of defence minister Manohar Parrikar, and the minister reportedly advised the top brass of DRDO and IAF to put an end to their disagreement.

The row was over denying this ace test pilot, the captain’s seat (pilot-in-command) in the ‘Eye-in-the-sky’, the Airborne Early Warning & Control (AEW&C) aircraft developed by Centre for Airborne Systems (CABS), Bengaluru, and undergoing evaluation now ahead of its induction by the IAF later this year.

The reason? Group Captain Suneet Krishna (Retd) was considered a ‘civilian test pilot’ by the air strike wing because he opted for voluntary retirement from IAF in 2012, and therefore could not occupy the captain’s seat.

“He was torpedoed by the air force though he holds the record of flying all types of fighters, and even some transport jets, for close to 5,000 hours. If Brazilian pilots could occupy the captain’s seat when the Embraer-145 aircraft was bought for AEW&C project, how can the IAF prevent its former pilot from doing so? His exit will be a great loss for both ‘Tejas’ and AEW&C projects because no-one can match his expertise,” remarked his former commandant who also played a key role in these projects.

The fact that he had served the IAF for more than two decades did not seem to count. Nor did the top brass of IAF, factor in his contribution to making ‘Tejas’ a completely pilot-friendly and world-class fighter jet because he logged the highest number of hours onboard the indigenous aircraft and his inputs helped modify the cockpit over the years. In fact, he has flown the prototypes, the production and operational versions of ‘Tejas’, even test-fired missiles and laser-guided bombs.

He was the pilot who demonstrated the military jet’s agility to Mr Parrikar in Bengaluru on January 17, 2015, the day when ‘Tejas’ was inducted into the IAF’s fleet. In fact, this ace test pilot encountered turbulence the moment he joined CABS in May 2015 with those at the helm at IAF’s Aircraft & Systems Testing Establishment (ASTE), Bengaluru, insisting that only their officers could occupy the captain’s seat, although they were junior to Group Captain Suneet Krishna (retired). He flew 100 sorties as the tussle escalated. In the end though, with no solution in sight, he decided to join the corporate world and relocate to Mumbai.

It's perfectly legitamate the stand the IAF took, no matter what the Gp Capt's past record. He retired from the IAF offically in 2012 and thus was a civlian- no two ways about it. The CABS AWACS is under the charge of and tested by the IAF's ASTE (ie serving military test pilots), it would be highly improper to let a civilian take captaincy of a strategic military asset with ASTE test pilots.

 

[Chinmoy]

yes it didn't...no guidance was involved...they just pushed the button ( and missile released )

"
So even the missile engine / motor would have not been started" seriously ? derby is a single stage missile so..

It might have been just a release test.

 

[nitish.sarangi]

Well this was a ballistic non guided test means only the wiring pylon detachment of the missile were tested

So even the missile engine / motor would have not been started

Only the separation of missile from pylon would have been tested

According to this article, the I-Derby-ER was integrated into Tejas.

Its a two stage missile with range of about 100kms.:

http://aviationweek.com/paris-air-show-2015/i-derby-er-all-new-performance-0

 

[Pret]

According to this article, the I-Derby-ER was integrated into Tejas.

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Its a two stage missile with range of about 100kms.:

http://aviationweek.com/paris-air-show-2015/i-derby-er-all-new-performance-0

Derby and Derby-ER has same integration ..LCAs are carrying Derby only..but they are compatible with Derby-ER

 

[Immanuel]

Derby and Derby-ER has same integration ..LCAs are carrying Derby only..but they are compatible with Derby-ER

LCA Tejas is currently being tested with I-Derby-ER and not vanilla Derbys. Around 200 I-Derby-ERs will be acquired for the LCA fleet till Astra Mk-2 comes into play.