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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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Someone actually went ahead and made a RC model? COOL
But that Cow Moo at the beginning is not cool.
The model is not precise to be honest but nonetheless good work. The cow moo is kinda a shout for India? :rofl:
he is mocking india not sure why.
cmon guys take it as a cool joke ...... the guy is from teh usa and he is giving india a boost by bothering to make a hobby model of our plane and y oure offended by him ? ...nah it's giving india a boost really !
btw the guy is kristin something and here is his youtube home page and tejas is one of only two models he has made, so we should be honoured .....it's not at all like the ccpchina nerd who drew a cartoon to NY times , now that was mocking but not in this case where the guy went through all the trouble to make a model !
.....heres' his home page
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCO29fNsLEmzpP--_muu7v4A
we should be thanking him for unsolicitedly doing his bit to make tejas known in the usa !


yes we can blame them.
There is something that we call planning and scheduling.
Quartz nose cone is such an important component they must have kept the Cobham on there toes and actively tracked it.
They must have kept a buffer if they were not willing to take any pain.
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ive edited your post to leave out the part about whos' to be blamed
but honestly , the whole project FOC is being help back because of some stupid English company making the nose-cone radar ?

you mean to tell me the "geniuses" at our end didnt know how to multi-source for that equipment ? if some stoop english company held us back we should be suing them and give the contract to israel or some other nation - there must be multiple hi-tech nations that can do the job

sue the english company if they are delaying and give the job to israel

unless of course there are "interests" involved - then forget it . tejas will only be ready after everyone has had their share_ and it will go on for ages !

i feel sorry for india !
which reminds me that the "moo" in that guys video isnt so bad after all because it has a different meaning - that everyone has to milk that cow and get something out of it , before they'll allow it to fly - that may be the truth after all , so the moo is relevant after all !

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ive edited your post to leave out the part about whos' to be blamed
but honestly , the whole project FOC is being help back because of some stupid English company making the nose-cone radar ?

you mean to tell me the "geniuses" at our end didnt know how to multi-source for that equipment ? if some stoop english company held us back we should be suing them and give the contract to israel or some other nation - there must be multiple hi-tech nations that can do the job

sue the english company if they are delaying and give the job to israel

unless of course there are "interests" involved - then forget it . tejas will only be ready after everyone has had their share_ and it will go on for ages !

i feel sorry for india !
which reminds me that the "moo" in that guys video isnt so bad after all because it has a different meaning - that everyone has to milk that cow and get something out of it , before they'll allow it to fly - that may be the truth after all , so the moo is relevant after all !
ROma are you responding to me or just quoting me?
If you are responding to me then dear I also stated the exact same point with names.

These "geniuses" never ever plan and when they do not plan there is no backup plan either.

They can only sue the company if they would have drafted the contract properly which I believe is never done....

They cannot look for alternative now as it will delay it further and they need to stick to the existing one and cancelling it will have a great financial loss along with the delay.
 

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cmon guys take it as a cool joke ...... the guy is from teh usa and he is giving india a boost by bothering to make a hobby model of our plane and y oure offended by him ? ...nah it's giving india a boost really !
don't know if he is giving india a boost because of the specifications he given about plane. :laugh:
 

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1. A senior official admitted “yes we will be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year and are in the middle of the predicted shortage”. In simple words, the IAF with 576 fighter jets will be well short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet mandated by a government sanction

2. Three squadrons of the vintage single-engine Soviet Union origin MiG-21 and MiG-27 are being phased out as planned this year. Of the 32 squadrons, the vintage MiG-21 and MiG-27 will form 11 squadrons. The Sukhoi 30-MKI populates 10 squadrons, the 1970’s design British Jaguar forms six squadrons, followed by French Mirage 2000 and Soviet Union’s MiG 29 in two and three squadrons, respectively.

3. The force is trying to raise a squadron of the twin-engine Russian-origin Sukhoi-30-MKI this year, but much depends on the speed of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) which is licensed to produce it in India. HAL, a Ministry of Defence (MoD)-owned public sector undertaking, was mandated by the Cabinet Committee on Security in March 2006 to produce 16 planes annually and deliver 180 by 2017, in phases. The project is three years behind schedule. Till 2011, HAL had the capacity to produce just eight Sukhoi-30 jets annually, said a report of the CAG in 2014.

4. The other choice for the IAF is to wait for the final operational clearance (FOC) for light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas, which was okayed with 20 permanent and 33 temporary waivers. The temporary waivers have to be ironed out before giving the FOC, which is scheduled for December this year, but is unlikely.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/iaf-combats-lowest-fighter-strength/102963.html
 

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1. A senior official admitted “yes we will be down to 32 squadrons by the end of this year and are in the middle of the predicted shortage”. In simple words, the IAF with 576 fighter jets will be well short of the 750-strong fighter jet fleet mandated by a government sanction
Kindly let me know how you came up with the figure of 576 ... I believe it was 32X18 which is not the ideal scenario some Squad have less than 18 and some have more than 18 too. So 576 will not be the correct figure.
Its high possibility that if Tejas is not inducted on time and SU deliveries are not met then it might touch even 500 in next five years.
2. Three squadrons of the vintage single-engine Soviet Union origin MiG-21 and MiG-27 are being phased out as planned this year. Of the 32 squadrons, the vintage MiG-21 and MiG-27 will form 11 squadrons. The Sukhoi 30-MKI populates 10 squadrons, the 1970’s design British Jaguar forms six squadrons, followed by French Mirage 2000 and Soviet Union’s MiG 29 in two and three squadrons, respectively.
I believe the squadron size will remain 34-35 but the number of Fighters will be reduced per squad. They will be removing the old ones and replacing them with the slightly younger ones for the time being.
3. The force is trying to raise a squadron of the twin-engine Russian-origin Sukhoi-30-MKI this year, but much depends on the speed of Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) which is licensed to produce it in India. HAL, a Ministry of Defence (MoD)-owned public sector undertaking, was mandated by the Cabinet Committee on Security in March 2006 to produce 16 planes annually and deliver 180 by 2017, in phases. The project is three years behind schedule. Till 2011, HAL had the capacity to produce just eight Sukhoi-30 jets annually, said a report of the CAG in 2014.
HAL is on track now I think as Have not read issues with deliveries recently.
4. The other choice for the IAF is to wait for the final operational clearance (FOC) for light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas, which was okayed with 20 permanent and 33 temporary waivers. The temporary waivers have to be ironed out before giving the FOC, which is scheduled for December this year, but is unlikely.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/news/nation/iaf-combats-lowest-fighter-strength/102963.html

Its not the other choice ... It is a great choice and it should be made the only option.
40 Tejas MK1 if are delivered by 2018 and Tejas MK2 makes its first flight in 2018 then we can easily have 36 (1.5 Squad 18 A/C assumption) of Tejas MK1P easily between 2018 and 21 when the mass production of Tejas Mk2 will begin.


This gives us
60-70 SU in next 5 years
40 tejas Mk1
25 Tejas MK1P

making total as 125-135

If I add 36 Rafale into it then it will be close to 170
This comes close to the Migs to be replaced 200+ in next ten years.

After that Tejas MK2 can be used to build the squad strength and size and given that HAL sticks to plan

we will have close to 60 Tejas Mk2 produced by 2025 when entire fleet of Mig has to be retired which is addition of 3 squads.

Thus we will have 36 squad of new fighters in 2025 when almost all required Migs have been retired.
 

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There hasn't been any changes to air intake of tejas mk2.....
so does that means ge414 can be fitted on tejas mk1.5
No that's not that simple but if there is no much of dimensional changes it is possible.Based on the size of Tejas Mk1 it will be little overpowered with 98 KN which will reduce the efficiency.
There will be some structural changes required for sure and as in the past I have said one change will have impact on most of the components involved.
 

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Its not the other choice ... It is a great choice and it should be made the only option.
40 Tejas MK1 if are delivered by 2018 and Tejas MK2 makes its first flight in 2018 then we can easily have 36 (1.5 Squad 18 A/C assumption) of Tejas MK1P easily between 2018 and 21 when the mass production of Tejas Mk2 will begin.


This gives us
60-70 SU in next 5 years
40 tejas Mk1
25 Tejas MK1P

making total as 125-135

If I add 36 Rafale into it then it will be close to 170
This comes close to the Migs to be replaced 200+ in next ten years.

After that Tejas MK2 can be used to build the squad strength and size and given that HAL sticks to plan

we will have close to 60 Tejas Mk2 produced by 2025 when entire fleet of Mig has to be retired which is addition of 3 squads.

Thus we will have 36 squad of new fighters in 2025 when almost all required Migs have been retired.
Also add FGFA. in the next 6-7 years we will some how have a one lot ( 10-15) of them. I guess.
 

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Also add FGFA. in the next 6-7 years we will some how have a one lot ( 10-15) of them. I guess.
If India goes with the Russian Variant and is ready to induct it till Indian Variant is ready then yes in the next 6-7 years we can see a squadron of it also but not FGFA.

FGFA/PMF if the talk between our Modi Ji and Russian Vladimir are successful then also Indian Version will be available to India by 2017-18 only.
After that there will be series of trials and testings and we will have FGFA /PMF at the same time as of Tejas MK2 i.e. 2020-21.

So we can in that case expect first squadron by 2022-23.

Just to add to the reason behind me quoting years 2020-21 is that the engine of FGFA/PMF is yet to be accepted by IAF along with various changes around 40+ improvements over T-50.
 

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Okay, new Topic. Recently i saw the video of the JF-17 at the Paris Airshow, and i must say, im really impressed. Especially with the Take off.
It has even received export orders based on the show.
Though Indian experts including Subramaniyam claims that Tejas is well superior to JF-17, its getting hard to believe.
Can someone please shed some light on this?
What kind of technologies does JF-17 lack which is incorporated on the Tejas?
Both seem to have similar Weights, Weapon carrying capacity, Thrust to Weight Ratio, Top Speed, etc.

Though according to Wiki, JF-17 has better Range and Service ceiling which is a little hard to believe cause both the aircrafts have similar powered engines and weights.

Can someone please clarify this?
 

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Okay, new Topic. Recently i saw the video of the JF-17 at the Paris Airshow, and i must say, im really impressed. Especially with the Take off.
It has even received export orders based on the show.
Though Indian experts including Subramaniyam claims that Tejas is well superior to JF-17, its getting hard to believe.
Can someone please shed some light on this?
What kind of technologies does JF-17 lack which is incorporated on the Tejas?
Both seem to have similar Weights, Weapon carrying capacity, Thrust to Weight Ratio, Top Speed, etc.

Though according to Wiki, JF-17 has better Range and Service ceiling which is a little hard to believe cause both the aircrafts have similar powered engines and weights.

Can someone please clarify this?

Kindly go thru the thread http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/threads/lca-tejas-vs-jf-17-thunder.10726/page-43#post-984526
and You will understand the reasons why Tejas is better than JF-17.

Its been discussed in length before no need to start it again.
 

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If India goes with the Russian Variant and is ready to induct it till Indian Variant is ready then yes in the next 6-7 years we can see a squadron of it also but not FGFA.

FGFA/PMF if the talk between our Modi Ji and Russian Vladimir are successful then also Indian Version will be available to India by 2017-18 only.
After that there will be series of trials and testings and we will have FGFA /PMF at the same time as of Tejas MK2 i.e. 2020-21.

So we can in that case expect first squadron by 2022-23.

Just to add to the reason behind me quoting years 2020-21 is that the engine of FGFA/PMF is yet to be accepted by IAF along with various changes around 40+ improvements over T-50.
Official stance is by 2019 it will be get Op. Clearance. Let's take 2020 and hence you are correct the first lot will be by 2022. Meanwhile production is an ongoing process.
 

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Okay, new Topic. Recently i saw the video of the JF-17 at the Paris Airshow, and i must say, im really impressed. Especially with the Take off.
It has even received export orders based on the show.
Though Indian experts including Subramaniyam claims that Tejas is well superior to JF-17, its getting hard to believe.
Can someone please shed some light on this?
What kind of technologies does JF-17 lack which is incorporated on the Tejas?
Both seem to have similar Weights, Weapon carrying capacity, Thrust to Weight Ratio, Top Speed, etc.

Though according to Wiki, JF-17 has better Range and Service ceiling which is a little hard to believe cause both the aircrafts have similar powered engines and weights.

Can someone please clarify this?
In paris airshow the ambient temp should have been much lower than the UAE airshow,

in UAE airshow JF-17 took close to 23 seconds to complete a vertical loop.

In paris airshow it completes a half vertical loop in 9 seconds.

tejas does a veritcal loop in bangalore in 19 seconds .

Critical difference, temp has an effect on performance.

And despite many talked about deals no order has been confirmed.
 

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http://www.business-standard.com/article/opinion/ajai-shukla-from-tejas-to-amca-115070601250_1.html

“Ho-hum! ADA can never do this,” the import lobbyists will say — self-appointed patriots who see no irony in their advocacy of expensive foreign weaponry at the expense of Indian R&D and defence industry. Their critique of the Tejas is well worn.

Arguing (fallaciously) that the DRDO has taken 33 years to deliver the Tejas, they will (incorrectly) extrapolate that the more complex AMCA will take even longer!

Their persistent allegations about the Tejas’ performance shortfalls are now being exposed. As flight-testing expanded the Tejas’ flight envelope, it became evident the LCA far outperforms the MiG-21BISON, the most advanced of the fighters it was built to replace, as well as any Pakistani fighter except the latest F-16 Block 50/52.

The upcoming Tejas Mark II — with a more powerful engine, upgraded avionics and better air-to-air missile — could be built cheaply, overwhelming even more sophisticated opponents with numbers. This would require Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) to galvanize its production line, but that is a management issue, not a delay-inducing technology challenge.

With the Tejas’ performance now demonstrated, critics have shifted their fire to delays in the project, a more credible complaint.

Even so, it is false to date the start of the LCA project to 1983, as is commonly done; the project really began a decade later. In 1983, the LCA was allocated Rs 560 crore for “feasibility studies and project definition”, and for creating developmental infrastructure.

Only in 1993 was development funding allocated (Rs 2,188 crore, including the Rs 560 crore allocated in 1983). This was for building two “technology demonstrators”, the first of which flew in 2001.

Taking 1993 as the base year, the Tejas took just eight years to fly, and will have taken 23 years for “final operational certification” (FOC) which is anticipated by March 2016. This is comparable with international timelines for fighter aircraft development, including the Rafale and the F-35 Lightning II.


Encouragingly, the AMCA will enjoy an impetus the LCA never got, now that the IAF has thrown its weight and support behind the AMCA programme. While the IAF stood aloof from the LCA, participating only as a critic, it has joined hands with ADA in formulating the AMCA’s configuration, and is deputing pilots and engineers to work alongside ADA as it designs the fighter.

It is unclear what is driving this dramatic change in the IAF’s approach to indigenisation. It could be the realisation — stemming from the Rafale fiasco — that India simply cannot afford to import sizeable numbers of modern fighters. It could be the positive example of the navy, which has wisely steered the process of designing and building warships in India. Or, in an organisation that is shaped by the personality of the top man, it could just be that the current IAF chief favours indigenisation.

While the IAF will be praised if the AMCA meets its objectives, credit should really go to the unfairly vilified DRDO-HAL-ADA combine for leapfrogging three generations of technology in developing the fourth-generation Tejas fighter. In this process, the LCA project has catalysed an aerospace eco-structure, and a design experience, that will be the essential springboard to the AMCA.

A range of fighter aircraft technologies is already mastered.

These include: a sophisticated “unstable configuration” for extra agility;

quadruplex digital flight control system;

light composite materials for the aero-structures; glass cockpit with digital instrumentation;

an environment control system with an on-board oxygen generating system (OBOGS);

and advanced avionics that allow the pilot to switch quickly between air-to-air and air-to-ground roles.


With much of these Gen-4 technologies currently being refined for the Tejas Mark II, the AMCA team can focus on the Gen-5 challenges.

In sum, the LCA project has created Indian design expertise, design tools and test facilities.

It has allowed ADA to gain expertise in the processes of flight testing and certification, and in prototype development. In designing, building and certifying the Tejas, ADA and the defence ministry have painstakingly woven together a countrywide network of technical and engineering institutions, laboratories and facilities. ADA calculates that 149 work centres in 28 cities have directly contributed to the LCA programme.

These are now networked and available for the AMCA project. True, there are shortfalls, such as the fact that India has just one wind tunnel, essential for simulation studies in designing airframes and structures. Before the AMCA gets under way, ADA should holistically identify and make up such deficiencies as part of a national ecosystem for future aerospace projects.

The IAF’s future lies in its own hands. At the recent Paris Air Show, the Pakistan Air Force displayed its new Sino-Pakistani fighter, the JF-17 Thunder. Countries like Myanmar and Sri Lanka were reportedly making purchase enquiries.

While significantly inferior to the Tejas in technologies and performance, the JF-17 was better in one crucial respect — it was steadfastly supported by its home air force. Perhaps the IAF could draw a lesson from that.


He hasn't mentioned the FSDE phase-2 in 2009 ,after new IAf requirements which led to a few more years of delay.
 

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bharatkarnad.com/2015/07/05/great-developments-on-the-tejas-front-duplicate-them-for-fmbt/

Leadership has often been the difference between a successful and failed indigenous armament or weapons development project to which national prestige is committed. After the departure of Dr Kurt Tank from the HF-24 supersonic fighter project and the sidelining of Dr Raj Mahindra when the Mk-II of this aircraft was killed by IAF in order to procure the Anglo-French Jaguar low level strike aircraft, which mission the Marut Mk-II would have done far better. It initiated the process of IAF going over lock and stock and barrel to importing combat aircraft to the detriment of the security of the country and the national interest, a direction a seemingly unconcerned Indian govt actively encouraged — with defence minister Jagjivan Ram in the post-Emergency Janata govt allegedly pocketing rich commissions as the Maneka Gandhi edited magazine’Surya’ then claimed.

For the first time now Tejas will have two tested and proven persons at the wheel, with the Indian govt finally doing the right thing for a change with respect to the LCA.

It has appointed Commodore CD Balaji, fresh from his success spearheading the development of the naval variant of Tejas as chief of the Aeronautical Development Agency, Bangalore.

It was Balaji who ensured, for instance, that the navalised Tejas is a far more advanced aircraft than its air force sibling. Levcons (leading edge vortex controllers) have been configured into its airframe, making it a far more maneuverable warplane able, for instance, to pull high angles of attack at low speeds.

Balaji’s hands-on control, commitment, and ability to eliminate/remove systemic and procedural obstacles are by now the stuff of legend.

Senior US Navy officers whom I met in Washington some years back, who were part of the consultancy team Pentagon approved to liaise with the Balaji project, were full of praise for the streamlined manner in which everything worked, something they confessed they did did not expect.

The USN consultants were hired to advice on such things as the strengthening of the aircraft’s fuselage, the exact placement of the arrester hook, the choice of an appropriate jet engine with the needed power-rating, etc.

In parallel with Balaji taking over ADA, Commodore Jaydeep Maolankar has assumed command of the National Flight Test Centre, also in Bangalore, replacing Air Commodore Muthanna, who was in place since 2011.

NFTC with its team of test pilots is tasked with testing aircraft for their air worthiness and ability to do combat maneuvers they are designed for.

Mavlankar, an MS in aerospace engineering from IISc, like Balaji at ADA, is the right fit
— the proverbial round peg in a round hole (unlike the history of GOI usually appointing the wrong persons to lead critically significant high-technology projects and then wondering why they veer off into failure)

So, the designer agency and testing unit will be in sync and Tejas can now expect to begin rolling fast to cross certification hurdles.

The important thing to note is that both Balaji and Maolankar are senior naval officers, and typify the navy’s quite commendable levels of commitment and eagerness to validate and operate indigenous military hardware, in this case, combat aircraft.

It indicates defmin Manohar Parrikar’s recognition about the importance of getting the Tejas inducted into operational squadrons in the navy and air force fast. It is perhaps the first tremendously right and potent set of appointments he has made.

It is now for him to ensure Messrs Balaji and Maolankar are not tripped up by the usual villains lurking in the corners — mostly in IAF and not least in his own ministry of defence and its department of defence production.

He needs in particular roughly to drag IAF by the ear, if necessary, so to say, to appreciating and prioritising the Tejas in their scheme of things — rather than have this service clamour ceaselessly for Rafale and similar foreign aircraft.


This should also signal to the army that it is wrong to so casually torpedo the Future Main Battle Tank design, as follow-on, to the Arjuna MBT that beat the Russian T-90 hollow in field trials in all respects. And Parrikar should squelch at the earliest any move by army to tilt towards the Russian Armata tank displayed at the recent Red Square parade in Moscow to mark the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

He should rescind army’s RFPs, and tell the COAS and his cohort that the army will have the DRDO-designed FMBT perhaps with its production shared half-and-half between DPSUs and a private sector combine in a competitive set up, both to judge the effectiveness/efficiency of public and private sector manufacturing skills and processes, and to get the best product out to the army, because it definitely will not have an imported tank.

If Parrikar can summon that kind of conviction, MOD/DDP will fall in line, pronto.
 
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http://idrw.org/need-to-plug-loopholes-in-tejas-speedily-and-efficiently/#more-68017

This is an example of ,"How to write a stupid piece".

"India’s home grown, fourth generation supersonic fighter aircraft, Tejas LCA, right since its inception has remained the target of criticism from a variety of sources. The most recent censure of Tejas has come from India’s public audit watch dog, Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG). In a critical analysis of the national security preparedness in terms of air defence, the CAG has come down heavily on the Tejas fighter as it stands now. According to CAG, the limited capability of Tejas makes it difficult for the fighter to penetrate the enemy lines effectively. In the opinion of the CAG, Tejas does not meet the operational requirements of IAF which is already hamstrung by the problem of squadron depletion".

Those are CAG reports till 2013. many parameters were added to tejas after IOC.

G limits is increased from 6 to 8 and AOA too has been increased to 26 deg from 20 deg,gun firing on the ground has been achieved.

other than mig-29 and su-30 MKi no other fighter in the IAF has a better thrust to weight ratio .

In fact no other fighter in IAf has a lower clean config frontal RCS than tejas.

And no other fighter from IAF had the capability to operate from Leh from day one.

It has the combo of derby, astra for long range and python and R-73 with HMD for close combat. . Even a DRFM based fully internal EW suit, first in IAF has been successfully tested on tejas PV-1.

SO why it cant penetrate enemy lines? If that is the case then no fighter inIAF will be able to penetrate behind enemy lines!!!


"A look back at the saga of Tejas reveals that way back in 1985, IAF had issued Air Staff Requirement (ASR) for a light weight multi role fighter aircraft as a replacement to the ageing and obsolete Mig-21 fighter jets forming a part of the front line combat aircraft formation. At that point of time, IAF was both keen and optimistic that such a domestically developed fighter could be inducted into services by mid-1990s. Giving details, the CAG report reveals that “The Mark 1 version of Tejas LCA does not meet the ASR. The deficiencies are now expected to be met in LCA MKII expected to be ready by Dec.2018".

The 500 cr sanctioned in 1984 went into establishing infra for the project. Funds for TD sanctioned only in 1993.Then how could tejas come in 1990s? IAF knew tejas cant come in 1990s and thats why they upgraded their mig-21 fleet.

"The MKII version of the fighter taken up for development in 2009 is expected to address many of the shortcomings noted in the Mark 1 version of the fighter that includes increased weight, reduced internal fuel capacity, pilot protection from the front and reduced speed.” Highlighting major deficiencies in the fighter aircraft Tejas Mark 1, being show cased as a shining symbol of India’s mastery of state of the art aeronautical technology, CAG has pointed out to the “53 significant shortfalls” in meeting ASR. In particular, it observes that the poor performance of the three electronic warfare suites developed by Indian agencies could be a major handicap in so far as the capability of Tejas to penetrate enemy lines is concerned."

This is all crap. gripen C has the same empty weight as tejas mk1 , lower engine thrust than tejas mk1 and lower fuel capacity than tejas mk1!!!

CAG doesn't understand many technical abilities and makes many ham handed comments. For example even rafale has much lower top speed than mig-21 and has no pilot protection from front!!! Then why IAF chose it as 20 billion dollar IAf winner?


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CAG has observed that the counter measure dispensing system meant to protect the fighter against radar and heat seeking missiles, could not perform as per expectations. The poor defence mechanism of the Tejas cannot but be a matter of concern for IAF. “LCA Mark-1 remains deficient in full electronic warfare capabilities as specified in ASR,” said the CAG report. The fighter which received initial operational clearance in Dec.2013 is due for final operational clearance by either Dec.2015 or early 2016. CAG has also questioned the claims on the quantum of indigenous contents in Tejas by Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) whose constituent Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) was the focal point for the design and development of this fighter aircraft. According to the CAG, against the claim of 70% indigenous content in the aircraft by ADA, “it actually worked to 35% as of January this year”. Going ahead, the CAG noted that systems such as the Kaveri engine, Multi-Mode Radar (MMR), Radome, multi-functional display system and flight control system actuators taken up for indigenous development could not be realized resulting in LCA’s dependence on the import of these systems."

Counter measure and DRFM based EW suits were demonstrated after teh CAG report period of 2013. the journo hasn't updated himself. ven gripen has foreign engine, weapons and radar , Even rafale has third party meteor missile as primary weapon. Does it make them unfit?


"The CAG has also picked up holes in the performance of Tejas by pointing out to the deficiencies in two vital air defence systems of the fighter. As observed, the self-protection jammer meant to block the radar system of the adversaries that was to go into LCA Tejas MK I was too bulky to be incorporated into the aircraft. This has been compounded by the poor performance of the radar warning receiver that alerts pilots on hostile enemy signals. Both these systems were developed by the Bangalore based Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE) that functions under DRDO. Certainly Tejas MKI will have limited utility on account of its power plant that is capable of generating a thrust of less than 100-kN.As such, the thrust is on the up-gradation of the fighter into Mk II category."

All fighters in IAF including Su-30 MKI carry external jamming and Ew pods. Does that mean they dont have vital air defence capabilities? No way. tejas too like Su-30 MKI carries external SPJ pod in mk1. Its mk2 internal Ew DRFM suit is already being tested in tejas PV-1. For its weight tejas has enough thrust like gripen C. Like gripen E tejas mk2 too will have better thrust engines as any upgrade does for any fighter.


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This single seat fighter with thrust vectoring features for attaining super cruise capabilities is expected to be ready by 2025. The inordinate delay in LCA Tejas development schedule had forced IAF to go in for alternative temporary measures such as upgrading its Mig BIS, Mig-29, Jaguar and Mirage aircraft to overcome squadron depletion. The LCA Tejas project was sanctioned in 1983 at a cost of Rs.560-crore. The cost had eventually gone up to Rs.10397-crore

Noway, funds for Tds were sanctioned in 1993, And IOC in 2013, As good as any fighter program in the world. Costs too are among lowest in the world.

The CAG has also expressed concern over the poor capability of HAL to produce the Tejas fighter aircraft at a rate required by IAF.

GOI has not sanctioned the required amount for speedier tejas production that would have helped HAL to ramp up the production is the truth.



As it is, not long back critics had dismissed Tejas as a “dream gone sour”. But then to describe Tejas as a “flop and failure” would be very uncharitable. Notwithstanding “shortcomings and deficiencies” Tejas stands out as a bold attempt by India to develop a state of the art fighter literally from scratch. Clearly and apparently, challenges involved in developing a frontline combat aircraft is enormous. Realizing a fighter jet calls for imaginative exploitation of human talent, research and testing facilities and industrial infrastructure. Against this backdrop, the Tejas project despite its “cost overrun and slippages” stands out as a symbol of India’s quest for self-reliance in the critical area of fighter aircraft technology."

JOurno could have kept this paragraph of garbage in his own office. it is against the spirit of Swatch bharath campaign to thrust this garbage in public space!!!
 

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"In the first article Shukla essentially argues that modifying the Tejas to create the Mark II using the GE-414 will be easy as “F-414 is no larger than the F-404?. Keep in mind that the Tejas was designed to use the F-404 engine except the weight and drag of the Tejas is too high and so it appears underpowered. The Gripen which was considered by the IAF uses the same F-404 engine as the Tejas except the weight and drag of the Gripen was properly optimised. It may be true that with another 3 years of redesign of the Tejas to use the more powerful F-414 engine will yield a good cheap Tejas Mark II combat aircraft but until it is actually tested no one will know for sure, so can the IAF really wait another 3 years on just the promise that Tejas Mark II will work properly?"

tejas mk2 will have 95 percent drag of tejas mk1. Does that make tejas mk1 a platform with insurmountable drag. No way. Drag reduction is an on going exercise even in FOC for tejas mk1 as said by ADA chief himself. Journos should know that drag producing surfaces also lift. And thats why they were there in the first place!!

The gripen considered by IAF had 100 Kn ge-414 engine , not 84 Kn ge-404 like tejas mk1!!!

CEMILAC Chief tamilmani has said that Ge-414 has the same air flow requirement as that of kaveri for which tejas inlet was originally designed. Journo doesn't knows that!!!

better thrust in jet engines are achieved by

1.increasing operating Pressure Ratio,
2.Turbine Entry temp,
3.SCB tech

4.and bypass ratios,

They are not achieved by doubling engine's air intake!!!

For the IAF pilots it is a matter of life and death, for the citizens of India it is a matter of protecting your sovereignty. The minimum role of the commentator is simply to be realistic and it does seem that relying on the Tejas Mark II is not being realistic, so India definitely needs to reduce the risk by importing foreign combat aircraft, at least until you have a Tejas Mark II that really works well and that you know you can manufacture in large numbers.

Tejas mk2 is an improvement on mk1 (which carries world's deadliest combo of R-73, python coupled with HMDS, So no one needs to worry about that. IF people suspect the efficacy of air to air missile in close combat then they are saying that same R-73 E on Su-30 MKi is also useless.

The biggest problem that India has is that every project is funded only when the politicians think there is a practical need for it. For example this design and prototype of Tejas Mark II should have been completed 10 years ago along with the initial prototype of Tejas, because the F-414 engine is from the same family as the F-404 engine and has been in existence for 20 years now. Yes, I am aware that it sounds like hindsight, but the fact is that India should have designed and prototyped Tejas and Tejas Mark II at the same time so that you could have selected whichever version works better i.e. find the problems earlier so you can make the choices earlier. Indeed any engineer in any branch of engineering will tell you that the best way to fully understand a design is to to make two or more versions and compare them.

Stupid piece of logic, No way you can venture into tejas mk2 without substantial work on tejas mk1 finished. Why? the problems that can be sorted out on tejas mk1 should not be carried on to tejas mk2.
Also only after fully testing tejas mk1 at least till IOC, , can we propose improvements to tejas mk2.

Which ever version works better/ What piece of crap of this, Every one knows that tejas mk2 works better!!!


That is why I really believe that India should not finalise the design for the AMCA right away.

Thats why I really believe journos who know nothing about tech matters should restrict themselves to breaking news on lalit Modi
 
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