ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[sgarg]

Thanks for the link. The delay in SP1 is very suspicious. The FOC is not holding SP1 delivery.

Hope it flies soon. SP1 is important as this is the first real delivery to IAF. Although LSP aircraft are there but being flown by test pilots. So these are still part of HAL pool.

IAF can begin to formulate procedures and establish infrastructure only after it starts getting the planes.

 

[power_monger]

ERSakthivel,
We still havent heard word on Tejas Firing BVR missile,the gatlling gun usage which are combat critical leave apart mid-air refuelling and Quartz cone.

 

[Pulkit]

DRDO gives Self Clean Chit and Blames UK firm for delays in Tejas FOC | idrw.org

SP-1 is about to fly in a few days says the article.

What is interesting is how the article tries to portray it as DRDO's fault, not writing a single sentence to let the reality be known that the probe and quartz radome were beyond its control.

And the Note section is interesting as well .

This shows how well the paid planted news brigade is operating, for years they maligned the program saying that SP-1 will never fly tejas is below par.

The journo has n't said a single word like,"why should Tejas wait for these two items , and it should be allowed to enter as soon as possible in IAF without them and can be retrofitted later".

So it confirms that almost all FOC parameters are tested and once the remaining 300 flights to test the probe and BVR firing with new radome is done FOC will be done.

hye mate so you think its not DRDO/HAL/ADA Faults...?
well it think it is.....their responsibility to get things done... If they are unable to then yes its there fault...

When it comes to Tejas my stand is clear ... that IAF wants foreign toys and rest all want to mint money.....
if some part is so important for you to achive your aim which u say u r serious about you make sure to get it done....

This is all lobby influence ... saving your own A** and blaming others who also want you not to succeed....

 

[ersakthivel]

hye mate so you think its not DRDO/HAL/ADA Faults...?
well it think it is.....their responsibility to get things done... If they are unable to then yes its there fault...

When it comes to Tejas my stand is clear ... that IAF wants foreign toys and rest all want to mint money.....
if some part is so important for you to achive your aim which u say u r serious about you make sure to get it done....

This is all lobby influence ... saving your own A** and blaming others who also want you not to succeed....

Atuaklly no one is at fault. A three to six month delay is no delay at all.What I was poi ting out was the attempt to paint to a scary picture by the IDRW guys in the section called NOTE. in that article.

 

[Pulkit]

yeah agreed that note was uncalled for.....
but we all knew it was on Tarmak when they said it will be possible in first half of 2015.... but the head again came out and said it is possible by the end of 2014 ....
So when you come out and claim something.... stick to it...
Yes six month delay is not huge ... its about these delays happening at an interval of every 6 months.....

Scary picture.... Yes it is scary .... you giving another reason to the hawks/lobby influenced top brass in IAF is scary....

Atuaklly no one is at fault. A three to six month delay is no delay at all.What I was poi ting out was the attempt to paint to a scary picture by the IDRW guys in the section called NOTE. in that article.

 

[sgarg]

So the discussion points to the following major issues:

1. Integration of BVR missiles
2. mid-air refueling
3. Quartz radome
4. Internal gun firing

It is possible that points (1) and (3) are related. Point (4) is a must and should have been achieved by now. Though I don't know how relevant internal gun is in the age of BVR missiles. Point (2) is clearly an optional item. It is not needed on every Tejas delivered to IAF.

So yes, the radome can delay SP1 delivery. However this quartz radome issue is very old and this reflects very poorly on project management. I hope they can resolve it ASAP.

What I get is BVR capability is very dear to IAF. If that is the case, the radar itself comes into focus.

 

[aero_sp]

Dear, SP 1 delivery is to be done in IOC configuration which is already proved. Above points are related to FOC which have nothing to do with SP 1.
The delay can be only due to lethargic work culture at HAL and nothing also.

 

[Pandora]

http://tarmak007.blogspot.in/2014/09/tejas-sp-1-maiden-flight.html

#BreakingNews Sources say that Tejas SP1 had its maiden flight today with a Hawk aircraft as chase. As this posts go live, SP-1 is still flying.

 

[power_monger]

self delete

 

[Twinblade]

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Tejas SP-1 maiden flight

#BreakingNews Sources say that Tejas SP1 had its maiden flight today with a Hawk aircraft as chase. As this posts go live, SP-1 is still flying.

 

[ersakthivel]

As reported by economic times

NEW DELHI: State-owned HAL and DRDO today carried out the maiden sortie of the first LCA Tejas aircraft produced for the Indian Air Force by them in Bengaluru.

The aircraft named 'Series Production 1' would now undergo a series of trials under the Acceptance Performance Tests before it is handed over to the IAF, DRDO officials said here.

IAF plans to have four such aircraft in its Bangalore-based Tejas squadron before it starts evaluating them and approves it for final operational clearance, they said.

The IAF has ordered 40 LCA Mk 1 aircraft and is likely to induct five more squadrons of an advanced version of the aircraft being developed by the DRDO and HAL.

The aircraft had received initial operational clearance last year and has to get the FOC in next few months before it starts operational flying.

The aircraft was being manufactured by HAL in partnership with the DRDO over the past several years, and the programme has been long-delayed and has seen several cost and time over-runs.

HAL has so far built seven LCA aircraft for trial purposes, which have been used to determine the final configuration of the plane to be given to the IAF.

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HAL and ADA partners in tejas!!!

HAL has built only 7 Tejas!!!!!

SP-1 could not fly operationally in IAF before getting FOC!!!!!!!

This is how "creative writing" is done in the name of defence reporting by people who dont know a turbo prop from turbo jet.

The SP-1 is IOC-2 config. And the guy says that it has to get FOc after careful evaluation by IAF!!!

How can IOC-2 aircraft get evaluated for FOC that too by IAF!!

If people dont know what they write about they can just report the news that SP-1 flown ,and spare us all such goose headed analysis.

 

[sgarg]

Does not matter. Important thing is SP1 has flown. Once production models starts coming out of the factory on a regular basis and IAF starts flying Tejas, all critics will be silenced.

It is important that young IAF pilots get experience on this plane.

 

[sgarg]

Which Tejas serial is being built to FOC standard?

 

[aero_sp]

SP 21 to 40 is planned to be produced FOC standard

 

[sgarg]

Mr Modi meeting Mr Netanyahu in USA before meeting Mr Obama is clearly symbolic.

Israel is key contributor to Tejas right now. Any link to Israel ends up in USA as many Israeli programs are partially funded by USA, and use American made components.

I expect Tejas to sport AESA radar very soon, which will make it possible to fire Israeli BVR missiles.

The US can still make an MMRCA offer. The negotiations for Rafale are not satisfactory.

 

[sgarg]

SP 21 to 40 is planned to be produced FOC standard

I think some of LSP series aircraft will be modified for certification. The SP series stands for "Series Production" that is to be built after certification.

 

[power_monger]

Breaking news:

Military sources say Tejas SP-1 flew for 25 minutes and touched a maximum speed of 0.6 Mach.Maiden outing without telemetry support seen as a morale booster for HAL, ADA, NFTC teams.

Tejas likely to fire #DebryBVRAAM and #PythonAAM missiles soon(approx 3 months).

AoA (Angle of Attack) of Tejas is getting closer to 26 degrees..

2 test variants of Tejas currently on a '#bombingmission' in Jaisalmer. New bombs (250 kg & 450 kg) being tested.

Anantha Krishnan in Twitter.

 

[Punya Pratap]

Breaking news:

Military sources say Tejas SP-1 flew for 25 minutes and touched a maximum speed of 0.6 Mach.Maiden outing without telemetry support seen as a morale booster for HAL, ADA, NFTC teams.

Tejas likely to fire #DebryBVRAAM and #PythonAAM missiles soon(approx 3 months).

AoA (Angle of Attack) of Tejas is getting closer to 26 degrees..

2 test variants of Tejas currently on a '#bombingmission' in Jaisalmer. New bombs (250 kg & 450 kg) being tested.

Anantha Krishnan in Twitter.

Ahhhaaaa... that explains the unusually high number of ADA personnel at Jodhpur Airport !!

 

[Punya Pratap]

Secondly and more importantly if Tejas is going to fire Derby than it means the Radar Radome issue has been sorted out..... I dont know which report is authentic : The one posted by IDRW saying the FOC will be delayed due to Radome and Fuel Probe issues or This Report which says Tejas will be firing Derby !

Maybe the Radome was for enabling 100 + range BVRAAM's and Derby at 50 kgs does nt cause issues....anyone has any inputs on that!

 

[ersakthivel]

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence

AOA getting closer to 26 deg.

Where are the doctors who diagnosed that because of faulty design " air intake is choking the engine at high AOA "?

The bundle of lies dumped on tejas in recent vayu strat post conference by Imported Air Force worthies like barbosa, and matheswaran are blowing up in their faces.

It will be interesting to see how Desi Dork Media guys who fake themselves as Desi Defence Media will react to this shocking piece of news, particularly rajat pandit of Times of India and the famous mother in law of tejas Mr. Prodyut Das.

Prof. Prodyut Das: The Ails of the LCA

All the unknown comments in that blog are mine. And Mr.das pompously declared that he will not answer unknown comments.

It seems he has to answer tons of questions about his stupid rants and suspicious motivations behind writing such dubious piece of Analysis on tejas far from reality.