ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[p2prada]

Criticizing is good but limiting it to ADA HAL DRDO is foolish.... And Criticizing Tejas is Stupid without actually thinking of it utility over using Mig21 flying coffins for another 5-10 years is a crime....

Where is LCA?

Stop Stating them then....

Of course. Only normal people can understand that.

I shared even more latest link saying no proposal yet...Official..... From 2006 onwards that shows there reluctance....

What are you talking about? That proposal was something else entirely.

Govt vetoes air force choice for HAL post

The government has rejected an Indian Air Force request to appoint one of its senior-most officers to head Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and has named a civilian as chairperson-cum-managing director of the defence public sector undertaking.

Great .... in another 47 comments for others and as a punishment after 48 for me.....
Stop being stupid and rigid blocking is no solution its like running away.....oh after that you actually leaving with a option of occasional visit....

I can't deal with stupid things anymore. Anyway what I am doing is practiced by a lot of senior posters in many forums. Nobody is running away, I am just going to ignore stupid posts. That's why there is the ignore option. Now, if they can extend that to blocking notifications and mails, that would be brilliant.

IAf official site also laughs at you
Official website of Indian Air Force
See there is LCA in here too.....

Wonderful. Now you see why you make stupid posts? No? It figures.

they are hapy to keep them out but they are able to keep them out becoz IAF does not want to get into it.....

Link 1 is fake. It talks about stuff that is not true or meant to mislead.
Link 2 speculates on fake link 1.
Link 3 officially rubbishes link 1.
Link 4 quotes link 1.

Ajai Shukla is known to lobby for the induction of F-35.

 

[ersakthivel]

Where is LCA?



Of course. Only normal people can understand that.



What are you talking about? That proposal was something else entirely.

Govt vetoes air force choice for HAL post




I can't deal with stupid things anymore. Anyway what I am doing is practiced by a lot of senior posters in many forums. Nobody is running away, I am just going to ignore stupid posts. That's why there is the ignore option. Now, if they can extend that to blocking notifications and mails, that would be brilliant.



Wonderful. Now you see why you make stupid posts? No? It figures.



Link 1 is fake. It talks about stuff that is not true or meant to mislead.
Link 2 speculates on fake link 1.
Link 3 officially rubbishes link 1.
Link 4 quotes link 1.

Ajai Shukla is known to lobby for the induction of F-35.

What is so upsetting about Ajai Shukla recommending F-35 in a couple of squadrons to IAF or Navy/

The sensor suit on the F-35(even if watered down for india ) will still be far above what dassault can ever offer for rafale.

Also F-35 is a trillion dollar program which will support quicker upgradation of engines, sensor suit in a periodocal interval with much lower cost than the just 180 being produced rafale, which is still looking for a second buyer thirty years after its first flight.

No way dassault can match F-35 upgradation program, it does not even have a home grown long range air to air missile for rafale and has to depend on third party missile like Meteor.

Are all the air force chiefs around the world inducting F-35 in 100s fools? and only yhte IAF MMRCA team is the bunch of intelligent air warriors perhaps,

The engine tech of rafale is also two decades behind the F-35 engine tech,

And with next engine upgrade most of F-35's ails in aerodynamic sphere aill be cured , and its peerless sensor suit will go further up in standard that no rafale will ever match.

rafale is a non stealth to any radar can never match the shaping techniques on f-35 which are especially designed for scattering radar waves to the maximum.

Any foll will go with f-35 fro deep bombing mission in Tibet over rafale , since our IAF guys are super intelligent human beings, lets not debate this?

So why are people dumping on Ajai Shukla for supporting a 5th gen platform's induction that will be bought in thousands all over the world?

Since Ajai shukla interviews DRDO chiefs ever so often and goes to HAL to report some actual facts about tejas to support its induction in big numbers in IAF, he becomes a lobbyist!!!!

But but original DDM guy like Rajat Pandit who heaps tons of juvenile lies citing "spurious unnamed sources in IAF " like,
1. Tejas can not fly without outside telemetry support,
2. And tejas projects is 30 years delayed,
is genuine defence journo perhaps!!!!

I have not seen a single article by him that reports anything behind the design philosophies of tejas and how it is being compared as atleast equal to upgraded Mirage-2000 by IAF test pilot Suneeth krishna who has flown both the planes.

or

Has he ever given a single detail about the low RCS, relaxed static stability fly by wire airframe of tejas , being cutting edge as far as present mil aviation standards being concerned,

You once quoted Vishal Thapar of IDP sentinel as source of your news,

You would have known the recent incident were the journo and the publication came to verbal blows on an article he was supposed to have written and published by the paper.

He first tweeted that the article was edited without his permission , then removed the tweet after a retort from the publishing house.

Now every thing is quiet. We dont know how the peace pipe was smoked!!!

So who according to you is original defence journo we can believe on tejas?

 

[ersakthivel]

Is LSP6 cancelled? It was supposed to fly before FOC wasn't it?

LSP-6 is an experimental aircraft dedicated to AOA improvement beyond the 28 deg FCS limit.

And AOA envelope expansion on LSP-6 will go beyond the FOC.

And the method used to improve AOA is called departure testing in tejas program common to all fly by wire RSS airframe programs,

http://www.scribd.com/doc/78345390/...ck-Testing-of-Light-Combat-Aircraft-LCA-Tejas

The Tejas LCA has been designed to be aerodynamically unstable in the longitudinal axis to obtain improved maneuverability and agility over the entire flight envelope and hence, has to be stabilized artificially by the use of activecontrol technology.

entire flight envelope means like rafale it is unstable even in supersonic flight!!!

It will be nice if knowledgeable posters can contribute meaningful comments on this aspect and correct mistakes if there is any.

Even typhoon reverts back to stable flight profile after supersonic speeds are crossed.

How many planted news carrying DDMS fake defence analysts report on such aspects of the program?

The flight control system is a digital, quadruplex redundant fullauthority system exercising control through two sets of paired elevons and a singlerudder. The stability and control cycle is updated every 12.5 milli secs through highfidelity, rate and acceleration sensors and high rate control actuators.

Tejas instability isdefined by 'time to double amplitude' and is one of the lowest amongst contemporary acin the world. Graph at Fig-2 depicts this value across a Mach vs altitude scale.

Theregion from 0.5M to 0.7M and from 3Km to 8 Km is the zone of the highest instabilitywith time to double amplitude dropping to 200 milli secs. This implies that anydisturbance in pitch would cause an increase in amplitude by 32 times in a sec

Wind tunnel experiments haveindicated that CL max continues to improve till approx 35 deg AOA.

This was confirmed by the test pilot Suneeth krishna also

However, directional characteristics indicated the proverbial 'cliff' with a sudden drop inCn(beta), CRM (Coefficient of Rolling Moment) and CYM (Coefficient of Yawing Moment) at approx 25 deg.


AoA as shown at fig-4 and 5. These phenomena require the High AoA trialsto be limited to 24 deg.

It has already been tested to 24 degree AOA. ANd the experimental LSP-6 will go beyond this.

Fortunately as shown in fig-6, the LCA has significant rudder authority (CYM-Del R) even up to 30 deg.
AoA that will allow artificial stabilization in yaw at high AoA.

This is what going to be tested on LSP-6

Overall Test Philosophy.

Modern fighter aircraft are designed to be flown near their maximum performance limits to capitalize on advantages over other aircraft.This can result in departures from controlled flight. A pilot rarely enters out-of-controlflight intentionally.

When it does occur, it's usually in a dynamic and disorienting manner. Due to the normally forgiving handling qualities of the Tejas and its contemporary aircraft, OOCF incidents are quite surprising to the pilot and challenging,violent and unexpected motions can be encountered.

This testing must therefore be extremely thorough so that hidden traps are not passed on to the user where costs are

However, a full investigation of AoA characteristics of a high performance ac including spinning is a very high risk, high cost and time consuming proposition.

Considering the large number of external stores configurations and theneed to clear a two seater version, the test campaign could well take a few years ofwork up, flight test, analysis, re design and certification.

Given the Tejas' flat, fast and oscillatory nature of predicted spin modes, the sharp cliffs in critical stability derivatives and the internationally evolving philosophy of testing departure prevention rather than post departure behaviour,

it was decided that the ac would not be intentionally spun.Departure prevention, rather than spin recovery, will form the basis of test philosophywith full preparation for an OOCF event and its recovery.

In this regard it may berecalled that in the recent CFH test campaign of the BAe Typhoon II ac not a single departure was encountered and the spin chute was never used,although the ac was subjected to every combination of OOCF causing events.



. Further, although several spin recovery techniques have been identified in the vertical tunnel experiments, no recourse to a "piloted" recovery will be made and the spin chute will be used immediately on departure to protect hydraulics and provide fastest possible recovery

Detailed and extensive analysis of the high angle of attack database indicates that LCAhas very few stable spin modes.

Further, the airframe exhibits fast flat spin modes withthe trajectories in general being oscillatory and unstable making it extremely difficult topredict the aircraft behaviour beyond stall.

The general qualitative observations were as below.

(a) Angle of Attack 57 – 85 deg(most spins in the range of 70-80 deg.

(b) Angular Rate 0.7 – 2.8 rad/s(most spins around 2 rad/sec)

(c) Turn Duration 2.3 - 8.3 sec(most spins around 3 sec)

(d) Rate of Descent 76 - 83 m/s

SO even without LSP-6 being spin tested tejas is good enough to enter into service,which is beyond the bran depths of many DDMs who fake themselves as defence experts.

if you still have any doubts please send the copy of this post to any of the planted news sprouting DDM mudheads,

who keeps on writing that the thirty years delayed tejas can not fly without outside telemetry support ,

and the air intake in tejas restricts AOA to 16 deg,


and see their reaction.

They will be stone dead for a long time.

Even without LSP-6 AOA was improved till 24 deg , when many trolls babbled here right in this forum due to ,

draggy air frame design,

and bad inlet design starving engines,

Tejas is facing difficulty in improving its AOA beyond 16 degs for years!!!!. That includes many planted news carrying DDM folks,

LSP-6 is an experimental aircraft that will be operated long after FOC to further validate the design principles of tejas,

ADA wont risk spinning it without well detailed preparation and finishing all the other tasks of FOC , and will only do so with careful consultancy help from abroad.

Only now HAL has upgraded tejas program to an independent division. And a production line is being set up which is yet to roll out a single SP-1.

So there is no need to spin the LSP-6 as fast as possible. There are many things to be completed before that.

What escapes our DDM fake analysts, is a basic rule of physics , by which the tejas relaxed static stability airframe which has followed its design flight path within the 24 deg AOA , has largely met most of its design specs and cleared for induction.

Only BVR trials and gun trials are the priority now.

 

[Zebra]

Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF | Business Standard News

Business Standard has reviewed the minutes of that meeting. The IAF's three top objections to the FGFA were: (a) The Russians are reluctant to share critical design information with India; (b) The fighter's current AL-41F1 engines are inadequate, being mere upgrades of the Sukhoi-30MKI's AL-31 engines; and (c) It is too expensive. With India paying $6 billion to co-develop the FGFA, "a large percentage of IAF's capital budget will be locked up."

This report from 'Business Standard' is also not true.

Anyway, but why few zombies are dying for FGFA, I wonder.

They can think MKI variant of PAK-FA if they can't breathe without Russian aircrafts.

No need to spend $6 billion for development of FGFA.

Can use that money to co-develop better engine for our own aircraft like LCA.

 

[ersakthivel]

This report from 'Business Standard' is also not true.

Anyway, but why few zombies are dying for FGFA, I wonder.

They can think MKI variant of PAK-FA if they can't breathe without Russian aircrafts.

No need to spend $6 billion for development of FGFA.

Can use that money to co-develop better engine for our own aircraft like LCA.

Actually the so called development is nothing but advance payment.

And all of IAF's concerns on GTRE learning nothing in snecma JV apparently doesnot count for sh!t,

if HAL does not learn anything from it(what will it learn, since the entire fighter was designed and flight tested thousands of Kms from any of its facility)?

Horse for the courses perhaps,

People will keep stony quiet till rafale deal is inked in finality

and then all the hell will break loose with planted news from our DDM folks about the obsolete nature of Tejas compared to PAKFA, which is a badly needed 5th gen fighter to counter PLAF J-20.

But no one will even dare to write those same sentences when it comes to rafale.

 

[ersakthivel]

Concurrency is meant for very large programs like the F-35. And works only when very few numbers are ordered, like 1 or 2% of the actual order. By the time some 150 are ordered, they plan to get IOC. That's less than 1% of the total orders.

Here ADA is just getting desperate. They probably want IAF to induct 20 or 30% before the jet gets IOC. You really think IAF will buy that many before IOC? It's bound to fail. And any IOC date for Mk2 is bound to slip and any date ADA announces is guaranteed to be a lie. If this was 1995, IAF would have agreed, but now there is a huge question mark on the future of the program.

Then what was the reason behind allowing Gripen NG , which had no IOC and just one developmental aircraft in MMRCA tender.

Sure many IAF folks including the bee stung former boss who stung tejas with the comment Mig-21++ on IOC day was seen smiling from ear to ear in sweeden after a flight in griepn there?

Also other than a couple of US fighters none of the MMRCA contebder had any working long range BVR missiles or functioning ASEA radar till the fag end of the MMRCA contract.

Infact even after the shortlisting was done no one flaunted a IOC or FOC validated ASEA radar and a 120 Km range BVR missiles.

IAF was ready to use indian tax payer money and allow the "concurrency of adding IOC , FOC validated ASEA radars, BVR missiles of 120 KMs, integration of HMDS and various russian missiles al at the cost of indian tax payers!!!!"

Why such a gracious grandpa attitude is missing when it comes to tejas?

Any sane individual will reject concurrency for such a small program. Especially when the supplier is a proven liar.

First let them fly LCA, then let them get IOC, then we will talk. First flight itself is more than 3 years away, forget talking about IOC. Any date that ADA gives, multiply that by two. That's when it will happen.

If such a sound approach of first let all the MMRCA contenders finish,

their own 120 KM range BVR missile integration,

HMDS integration, ASEA radar integration and various russian missile integration

and then field their IOC, FOC certified fighters with all the above specs

was followed on MMRCA only F-18 hornet and F-16 would be left standing.

That is why I say that there is nothing procedurally proper

or long term vision based planning behind this sham MMRCA contract ,

which allowed Dassault to return back into race after its bid was thrown out for incomplete bid diocuments,

, which had a 30 ton weight limit as guiding principle in place of leading technologies list and affordable cost as prime qualification,

which allowed various fighters , some which had not finished ground bombing,
most which did not have functioning ASEA and 120 KM range BVR missile, HMDS,
and some which only had one developmetal protype with no hope of IOC or FOC if a suitable foreign buyer was found out ,
were all allowed to compete in equal footing.

While tejas is denied concurrency!!!

when IAF showers the MNC fighters with gracious grandpa benevolence, it becomes a mother in law when it comes to tejas.

That is the exact reason why many of the IAF gents who were part of MMRCA are repeatedly bad mouthing tejas and ADA in public to justify the 20 billion dollar rafale folly.

The french air force chief touts Rafale for US navy due to delays in F-35,

the PAF chiefs promote their JF-17,

Sweedes openly say their gripen NG is designed to take on flanker threat and promote it with full pag adds on indian newspaper,

PMs and FMs of various European countries push TYPHOON relentlessly despite it finishing ground bombing role,

But our IAF retired folks sit around in stratpost conference and dump on Tejas unable to explain,

their stupid 30 ton weight class classification on MMRCA with their famed three tier airforce structure followed by no other airforce in this world,

and inability to evaluate the fighters before 2009 deadline for financial bids are allowed to expire with full knowledge!!!!

Concurrency will work when there is no scope for numbered foreign bank accounts in tax haven to stash away for eternity by the colluding top authorities of the country.

In the west where such deals are very tough and public are a bit more aware concurrency will work.

Or

It will also work in PLAF , where facing the firing squad is reality and no MNC is ready to fill those numbered accounts due to tech embargoes.

Denial of concurrency for tejas was aimed at stalling the emergence of indian mil aviation industry and nothing else.

 

[Zebra]

Actually the so called development is nothing but advance payment.

And all of IAF's concerns on GTRE learning nothing in snecma JV apparently doesnot count for sh!t,

if HAL does not learn anything from it(what will it learn, since the entire fighter was designed and flight tested thousands of Kms from any of its facility)?

Horse for the courses perhaps,

People will keep stony quiet till rafale deal is inked in finality

and then all the hell will break loose with planted news from our DDM folks about the obsolete nature of Tejas compared to PAKFA, which is a badly needed 5th gen fighter to counter PLAF J-20.

But no one will even dare to write those same sentence when it comes to rafale.

People die in Indian establishment in the name of "we don't have enough funds for it" and they are the zombies who waste most of the financial resources in India.

 

[Pulkit]

This report from 'Business Standard' is also not true.

Anyway, but why few zombies are dying for FGFA, I wonder.

They can think MKI variant of PAK-FA if they can't breathe without Russian aircrafts.

No need to spend $6 billion for development of FGFA.

Can use that money to co-develop better engine for our own aircraft like LCA.

Firstly I dont think its now limited to 6 billion and secondly i think most of the investment has already been made till now....
FGFA is required as in the next few years IAF is gonna ask for 5th gen to counter Chinese airforce... If we dont have FGFA today then they are gonna the having a smile from one end to another as they will have a opportunity to buy F35 as it is the only other option available .....
and as in the case of FGFA we will learn a little bit but in the case of F35 i see no chance of that even......


i think you also love Tejas so there is a solution to it... Scrap Rafale and you will get FGFA Tejas MK1 MK2 and a new engine out of it.....

 

[Pulkit]

Concurrency will work when there is no scope for numbered foreign bank accounts in tax haven to stash away for eternity by the colluding top authorities of the country.

In the west where such deals are very tough and public are a bit more aware concurrency will work.

Or

It will also work in PLAF , where facing the firing squad is reality and no MNC is ready to fill those numbered accounts due to tech embargoes.

Denial of concurrency for tejas was aimed at stalling the emergence of indian mil aviation industry and nothing else.

kindly elaborate on it .....

 

[Pulkit]

People die in Indian establishment in the name of "we don't have enough funds for it" and they are the zombies who waste most of the financial resources in India.

true then lets scrap Rafale First.....

 

[Pulkit]

Actually the so called development is nothing but advance payment.

And all of IAF's concerns on GTRE learning nothing in snecma JV apparently doesnot count for sh!t,

if HAL does not learn anything from it(what will it learn, since the entire fighter was designed and flight tested thousands of Kms from any of its facility)?

Horse for the courses perhaps,

People will keep stony quiet till rafale deal is inked in finality

and then all the hell will break loose with planted news from our DDM folks about the obsolete nature of Tejas compared to PAKFA, which is a badly needed 5th gen fighter to counter PLAF J-20.

But no one will even dare to write those same sentences when it comes to rafale.

One of the prototypes has to be made by India I believe that will proove or evaluate what have they learnt...

 

[cobra commando]

A few small production pushes for LCA - The Hindu

 

[Pulkit]

Where is LCA?



Of course. Only normal people can understand that.

and you think you are normal....

What are you talking about? That proposal was something else entirely.

Govt vetoes air force choice for HAL post

what was the govt point what did they say why didnt they allow it?????? they should have...... Why didnt IAF stickto the demand they are the only customer .... so they have monopoly but HAl is not the only provider they had to bend.... why why?????

I can't deal with stupid things anymore. Anyway what I am doing is practiced by a lot of senior posters in many forums. Nobody is running away, I am just going to ignore stupid posts. That's why there is the ignore option. Now, if they can extend that to blocking notifications and mails, that would be brilliant.

Nice suggestion It will be helpful for us also ...... Hate Monger detector auto ignored..... would be a nice app or option.....

Wonderful. Now you see why you make stupid posts? No? It figures.

if such a senior person "you" can't figure it out how can a normal person can like me do that????

Link 1 is fake. It talks about stuff that is not true or meant to mislead.
Link 2 speculates on fake link 1.
Link 3 officially rubbishes link 1.
Link 4 quotes link 1.

Ajai Shukla is known to lobby for the induction of F-35.

so one cares F35 is another issue if thought of....

 

[Pulkit]

A few small production pushes for LCA - The Hindu

A newly created division for the light combat aircraft (LCA) and a bid to make 80 per cent of its components locally are among recent moves taken to spur production of the made-in-India fighter plane once it crosses the last milestone for airworthiness, according to its developer and production agencies. The LCA Division was carved out a few months ago at the manufacturing partner, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. here. In the last one year, R&amp;D agency Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) and HAL met small- and mid-sized component manufacturers several times and encouraged them to take up some more components. They aim to raise the LCA&#;s indigenous content to 80 per cent in three years, up from the present 50 to 55 per cent. The steps are meant to double the rate of delivering the aircraft to the Air Force.<b>Production target </b> Chief of Defence Research and Development Organisation Avinash Chander, and HAL and ADA officials met about 50 Indian vendors at one such meeting. HAL Chairman R.K. Tyagi told them that starting 2015;we aim to roll out 16 LCAs every year, [increasing] from the initial target of eight a year”. Currently, 168 of the 344 LCA components are made in the country. A key defence scientist involved in the programme said HAL and ADA would help manufacturers to pick up at least 10 more simple components and offer the use of government-owned manufacturing and test facilities. ;We have the capacity in the country and we have started the process [of increasing local manufacture]. This cost would not exceed the cost of imports. What is significant is, in the long run, this expanded vendor base will readily support future programmes such as the fifth generation fighter aircraft and the multi-role transport aircraft [that HAL and Russia are to co-develop], the advanced medium combat aircraft and LCA MkII,” the scientist told The Hindu. The LCA already has a separate production facility and hangars set up at around Rs. 300 crore. Under development for 25 years, the LCA will enter production and join the Air Force once it passes the last test for battle-readiness, the final operational clearance (FOC). Defence scientists maintain that the FOC should be possible before 2015 as planned.

What the hell....
Did i read it correctly or am i dreaming .... what what are they doing ?

"Defence scientists maintain that the FOC should be possible before 2015 as planned."

why are they playing with our feeling ....?dammmmmm

 

[cobra commando]

^ "Defence scientists
maintain that the FOC
should be possible before
2015 as planned."

 

[Zebra]

Firstly I dont think its now limited to 6 billion and secondly i think most of the investment has already been made till now....
FGFA is required as in the next few years IAF is gonna ask for 5th gen to counter Chinese airforce... If we dont have FGFA today then they are gonna the having a smile from one end to another as they will have a opportunity to buy F35 as it is the only other option available .....
and as in the case of FGFA we will learn a little bit but in the case of F35 i see no chance of that even......


i think you also love Tejas so there is a solution to it... Scrap Rafale and you will get FGFA Tejas MK1 MK2 and a new engine out of it.....

So all those money already gone to drain!

And now they are crying for it. Like these.....

Russia can't deliver on Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft: IAF | Business Standard News

Business Standard has reviewed the minutes of that meeting. The IAF's three top objections to the FGFA were: (a) The Russians are reluctant to share critical design information with India; (b) The fighter's current AL-41F1 engines are inadequate, being mere upgrades of the Sukhoi-30MKI's AL-31 engines; and (c) It is too expensive. With India paying $6 billion to co-develop the FGFA, "a large percentage of IAF's capital budget will be locked up."

All those who are involved in these waste of money must be get hanged. I must say that.

Then and then only other culprits won't do it again in future.

BTW, PAK-FA is also a 5th generation aircraft, if there are any needs to have them.

And I didn't say anything about F-35 though.

 

[p2prada]

and you think you are normal

Of course. My views reflect the views of the establishment, as demonstrated from the Stratpost video and the numerous articles given by Air Marshals, the most recent being the rebuttal by Air Marshal Barbora to Bharat Karnad's article

....what was the govt point what did they say why didnt they allow it?????? they should have...... Why didnt IAF stickto the demand they are the only customer .... so they have monopoly but HAl is not the only provider they had to bend.... why why?????

DRDO/HAL don't want to give up their power.

 

[Pulkit]

So all those money already gone to drain!

And now they are crying for it. Like these.....

Mr. @p2prada has told me all that news is false..... IAF is totally happy with the FGFA project.. there are totally no issues apart from work share with HAL....

All those who are involved in these waste of money must be get hanged. I must say that.

Then and then only other culprits won't do it again in future.

BTW, PAK-FA is also a 5th generation aircraft, if there are any needs to have them.

And I didn't say anything about F-35 though.

Hanged why that money has not been lost yet ... its a surely better investment than Rafale....
Atleast as you said FGFA is a Fifth gen and in which you play a role..... won't say a major one becoz many will start shouting that its not major....though the role is quite major...


F35 is the alternative of FGFA in the minds of IAF and for amca for Navy....

 

[Pulkit]

Of course. My views reflect the views of the establishment, as demonstrated from the Stratpost video and the numerous articles given by Air Marshals, the most recent being the rebuttal by Air Marshal Barbora to Bharat Karnad's article



DRDO/HAL don't want to give up their power.

I am no fan of Bharat but the response by Bharat was also equally good....
yes then you are also part of that elite which we should be condeming ....

Why will they let is go you need to take it....

 

[Pulkit]

Of course. My views reflect the views of the establishment, as demonstrated from the Stratpost video and the numerous articles given by Air Marshals, the most recent being the rebuttal by Air Marshal Barbora to Bharat Karnad's article



DRDO/HAL don't want to give up their power.

I am no fan of Bharat but the response by Bharat was also equally good....
yes then you are also part of that elite which we should be condeming ....

Why will they let is go you need to take it....