ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[ersakthivel]

I must admit you have exposed me completely. I was being paid handsomely to spread lies about domestic programs, but you had to meddle in my livelihood, didn't you ? I was being paid by RSS agents that are actually Indian Mujahideen double agents recruited from the cadre of Samajwadi party's minority cell puppeteered by the Communist Party of India's sleeper cell that was constituted as a part of false flag operation by Gujarat police on behest of Narendra Modi's beef eating duplicate, who after killing the real Modi has taken his place in an R&AW operation sanctioned by Sonia Gandhi and Pranab Mukherjee, who is indeed Subhash Chandra Bose, kept alive by organ transplants, stem cell therapy and plastic surgery by Soviet doctors that were German Nazi prisoners of war who believed in the supremacy of the Aryan race and were extensively funded by Brahmins and upper caste people who in an extensive facade were headed by Ambedkar in a massive conspiracy to overthrow the British funded by Bahadur Shah Zafar who faked his own death in Rangoon aided by a few British officers sympathetic to his cause, but who were actually double agents of the British queen who had a steamy and torrid lesbian love affair with her Indian maid from marathwada, personally trained by Tantya Tope to spy on the British crown and convince them to wage a war on Lakshmi Bai who was in fact carrying the son of Aurangzeb, who time travelled into the future on a supari by Nathuram Godse to kill Gandhi's parents before he was born, but Arvind Kejriwal 30 years from now sends in a cybernetic clone of Kamal Rizwan Khan to successfully kill Auranzeb before he kills Gandhi's parents, who in a hashish fueled haze converts to Hinduism, enrolled into East India company's army, changed his name to Mangal Pandey and started a fight about greased cartridges and what not.

Now I'll never be able to afford a Bentley. Even that ponytailed joker Arindum Choudhury has a bentley. Damn you !!

OR

Alternate explanation: You happen to be on my ignore list, hence your posts are not visible to me.

whatever BS you post, you are a dishonest liar.I know that every one here knows that,

if not,

try to say a few words about the F-16 Xl vs F-16 points I have raised in this page,

instead of belching out this paragraph long useless verbal vomit..

I have seen you repeatedly citing the CEMILAC report which has a few recommendations about minimizing supersonic drag to buttress your stupid lie that tejas has a flawed drag design even in sub sonic flight regime.

When I pointed out without getting a fueselage plug it did 1350 Km per hr at sea level flight in flutter test, (which is the highest speed achieved by Su-30 MKi and Mig-29 in indian sea level trials )you said you have no empirical evidence about it.

Now ADA official press release says tejas mk-1 is supersonic at all altitudes, i hope you got the empirical evidence you needed.


Also the chances of Modi becoming PM in the next elections is more than 75 percent, whether you and me take up cudgels on behalf of him or against him or you and me going to vote for him or against him.Please don't have any worries on that count. BJP and Modi will give you empirical evidence after the elections, in the same way ADA gave you the empirical evidence for superconic speeds at all altitudes.

Don't entertain high hopes of beating me with verbal vomit. I can make you squirm like,

the last time I made you on the --- wiping for gulf shiekhs debate.



thanks for ignoring me,That is a great service you are doing to me , tejas and Modi,and the nation by large.

keep up the good work,

 

[ersakthivel]

Dedicated song for you.


Comes with subtitles since you don't comprehend stuff easily, Mr. Aeroplane Expert.



Alternate explanation: You happen to be on my ignore list, hence your posts are not visible to me.

So telling lies for years on tejas program and when totally exposed ,

hiding under the table called ignore list is the chivalrous behavior fit for a technocrat knight , ,

remember all those stupid lies you posted about tejas for over an year ,as mentioned below,

tejas has cranked delta because it can afford it,

A pair of Mig-21s can wipe out a squadron of tejas ,

Wing loading is a spec related to passenger aircraft,

A long range BVR missile can not be guided by any other platform than the one launched it,

A tejas can never use the Su-30 MKI fire control radar for guiding its BVr missiles through any form of datafusion,

Now with max loads tejas can fly for just ten minutes,

And light fighters can not fire long range BVR missiles,they can only be fired by heavy class fighters,even grippen which was the first fighter to fire meteor could not aim it at it's longest range of 120 Km

Only grippen NG can have multi rack pylons and tejas can not because it has drag,

tejas subsonic at sea level.


The song you posted will suit you better if you watch it after reading the above few pearls you posted.

Good riddance.

 

[rahulrds1]

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Negative People will Always Criticize
--
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--
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[ersakthivel]

I must admit you have exposed me completely. I was being paid handsomely to spread lies about domestic programs, but you had to meddle in my livelihood, didn't you ? I was being paid by RSS agents that are actually Indian Mujahideen double agents recruited from the cadre of Samajwadi party's minority cell puppeteered by the Communist Party of India's sleeper cell that was constituted as a part of false flag operation by Gujarat police on behest of Narendra Modi's beef eating duplicate, who after killing the real Modi has taken his place in an R&AW operation sanctioned by Sonia Gandhi and Pranab Mukherjee, who is indeed Subhash Chandra Bose, kept alive by organ transplants, stem cell therapy and plastic surgery by Soviet doctors that were German Nazi prisoners of war who believed in the supremacy of the Aryan race and were extensively funded by Brahmins and upper caste people who in an extensive facade were headed by Ambedkar in a massive conspiracy to overthrow the British funded by Bahadur Shah Zafar who faked his own death in Rangoon aided by a few British officers sympathetic to his cause, but who were actually double agents of the British queen who had a steamy and torrid lesbian love affair with her Indian maid from marathwada, personally trained by Tantya Tope to spy on the British crown and convince them to wage a war on Lakshmi Bai who was in fact carrying the son of Aurangzeb, who time travelled into the future on a supari by Nathuram Godse to kill Gandhi's parents before he was born, but Arvind Kejriwal 30 years from now sends in a cybernetic clone of Kamal Rizwan Khan to successfully kill Auranzeb before he kills Gandhi's parents, who in a hashish fueled haze converts to Hinduism, enrolled into East India company's army, changed his name to Mangal Pandey and started a fight about greased cartridges and what not.

Now I'll never be able to afford a Bentley. Even that ponytailed joker Arindum Choudhury has a bentley. Damn you !!

OR

Alternate explanation: You happen to be on my ignore list, hence your posts are not visible to me.

Ignore list is not working properly, (which is a lie because I have used it here)

or

You must have logged on as a guest and read a lot of my posts in lot of threads here,

SO I have to post more to satisfy your voracious appetite for reading each and every one of my posts about tejas and Modi,

thanks for the encouragement , I will try my best since I know you are reading intently,

Well ignore list sucks,

thats why i don't use it, Because it is stupid to keep one on ignore list and then logging in as guest to read all his posts,

Artificial Intelligence hasn't developed enough to block posts on ignore lists when we log in as guests,

 

[ersakthivel]

I must admit you have exposed me completely. I was being paid handsomely to spread lies about domestic programs, but you had to meddle in my livelihood, didn't you ? I was being paid by RSS agents that are actually Indian Mujahideen double agents recruited from the cadre of Samajwadi party's minority cell puppeteered by the Communist Party of India's sleeper cell that was constituted as a part of false flag operation by Gujarat police on behest of Narendra Modi's beef eating duplicate, who after killing the real Modi has taken his place in an R&AW operation sanctioned by Sonia Gandhi and Pranab Mukherjee, who is indeed Subhash Chandra Bose, kept alive by organ transplants, stem cell therapy and plastic surgery by Soviet doctors that were German Nazi prisoners of war who believed in the supremacy of the Aryan race and were extensively funded by Brahmins and upper caste people who in an extensive facade were headed by Ambedkar in a massive conspiracy to overthrow the British funded by Bahadur Shah Zafar who faked his own death in Rangoon aided by a few British officers sympathetic to his cause, but who were actually double agents of the British queen who had a steamy and torrid lesbian love affair with her Indian maid from marathwada, personally trained by Tantya Tope to spy on the British crown and convince them to wage a war on Lakshmi Bai who was in fact carrying the son of Aurangzeb, who time travelled into the future on a supari by Nathuram Godse to kill Gandhi's parents before he was born, but Arvind Kejriwal 30 years from now sends in a cybernetic clone of Kamal Rizwan Khan to successfully kill Auranzeb before he kills Gandhi's parents, who in a hashish fueled haze converts to Hinduism, enrolled into East India company's army, changed his name to Mangal Pandey and started a fight about greased cartridges and what not.

Now I'll never be able to afford a Bentley. Even that ponytailed joker Arindum Choudhury has a bentley. Damn you !!

OR

Alternate explanation: You happen to be on my ignore list, hence your posts are not visible to me.

Ignore list is not working properly, (which is a lie because I have used it here)

or

My goodness,You must have logged on as a guest and read a lot of my posts in lot of threads here,

Well I am flattered at your continuous attention to my posts even when you had me on ignore list,

SO I have to post more to satisfy your voracious appetite for reading each and every one of my posts about tejas and Modi,

thanks for the encouragement , I will try my best since I know you are reading intently,

Well ignore list sucks,

thats why i don't use it, Because it is stupid to keep one on ignore list and then logging in as guest to read all his posts,

Artificial Intelligence hasn't developed enough to block posts on ignore lists when we log in as guests,

By the way the this thread is not about testing who is good at verbal vomiting.

It is for technical discussions about tejas,

So if you know no useful fact about tejas, bail out from this thread,

no need to apologize for mistyping Iornfist as Live fist and APu intake as aux air intake and blaming sleepiness for it,

because to me, most of your posts about tejas were written when you were in deep slumber, willfully or not is the thing I don't know.


For a guy who couldn't even recognize that a circle wold like an ellipse when viewed from angles not at 90 deg to the plane on which it is drawn,as you have shown in the Arjun thread.

it is too much of an indignation to fret and fume,


If you want a slanging match with me lets go to chit chat thread,

 

[p2prada]

So telling lies for years on tejas program and when totally exposed ,

hiding under the table called ignore list is the chivalrous behavior fit for a technocrat knight , ,

remember all those stupid lies you posted about tejas for over an year ,as mentioned below,

tejas has cranked delta because it can afford it,

A pair of Mig-21s can wipe out a squadron of tejas ,

Wing loading is a spec related to passenger aircraft,

A long range BVR missile can not be guided by any other platform than the one launched it,

A tejas can never use the Su-30 MKI fire control radar for guiding its BVr missiles through any form of datafusion,

Now with max loads tejas can fly for just ten minutes,

And light fighters can not fire long range BVR missiles,they can only be fired by heavy class fighters,

Only grippen NG can have multi rack pylons and tejas can not because it has drag,

tejas subsonic at sea level.


The song you posted will suit you better if you watch it after reading the above few pearls you posted.

Good riddance.

Two years on this forum and your comprehension skills are still no better than a 3 year olds.

If the above is what you have learnt from my posts, that proves you still don't understand even the simplest concepts.

For example, the latest gem you just posted and claimed that I said this.

Now with max loads tejas can fly for just ten minutes,

You ignored two other important bits in that little statement. The post I replied to is this,

What kind of radius and loiter time can one expect just on internal fuel ? It is a light fighter, not a bomb truck. It cannot loiter long enough to attack targets over a reasonably large area. If you load 10 smart bombs on it, it will have to fly 300 km, designate 10 targets in give or take half an hour and come back. Unless all the targets are pre-planned and pre-loaded, most of those bombs would be coming back before the aircraft gets a chance to use them. 3-4 smart bombs tops, two wvr missiles and two drop tanks would be a more reasonable load profile.

Notice the part in bold. The two important bits were 300 Km and 10 smart bombs. While carrying 10 bombs, there is no chance the LCA can carry drop tanks of any kind. The range of 300 Km is already an extreme range for such a non-existent, unrealistic loadout. 10 minutes was actually a bit too much. I should have said it won't even reach 300 Km. And no, this is not the max load of LCA, this is beyond even the max operational loads of a Rafale or MKI.

You see, this demonstrates your comprehension skills are still at the level of a 3 year old. Even if I get back to replying to your posts, the problem is you don't understand what is posted.

All the other so called claims that you have pointed out that I made are simply your assumptions like the above example and show your disingenuous nature.

You call yourself an aeronautics student but you don't even know something as simple as sustained turn rate. This is the same as how you confused Calibrated Air Speed (CAS) to Close Air Support. This time you bring in loop performance and confuse it with sustained turn rate. The loop performance is better than what LCA demonstrated for most other fighters.

Years ago, I had claimed that AoA for LCA did not exceed 18 deg for IOC-1, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed that STR goal is only 17deg/sec, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed LCA never crossed Mach 1.4, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed LCA cannot go supersonic at sea level, and you called me a liar.

All the above are true as of today. Funny that.

Today, I claim AoA for FOC is 24 deg, and you will still call me a liar in 2015.
I claim MMR won't perform beyond 100-120 Km for a 5m2 target, and you will still call me a liar in 2015.
I claim we will only get 4 SP aircraft by next year end, and you will still call me a liar in 2015.

The same thing will repeat. You are not willing to learn and you have been posting wrong information for all the months I have ignored you. Nobody has been correcting your posts since the time you have been on the ignore list of most of the senior members here.

It doesn't make sense for us to remove you from our ignore list. So, do us a favor and put us on your ignore list too. It would be better if you stop quoting my posts and mentioning me, since it is irritating to read your disingenuous posts. I ignore your posts even if you do anyway, so your monologues serve no purpose.

To other members, it is your prerogative what you want to believe, but majority of his posts simply carry incorrect information like the ones Shiphone quoted. It is always better to double check his claims.

 

[ersakthivel]

Two years on this forum and your comprehension skills are still no better than a 3 year olds.

If the above is what you have learnt from my posts, that proves you still don't understand even the simplest concepts.

For example, the latest gem you just posted and claimed that I said this.


You ignored two other important bits in that little statement. The post I replied to is this,


Notice the part in bold. The two important bits were 300 Km and 10 smart bombs. While carrying 10 bombs, there is no chance the LCA can carry drop tanks of any kind. The range of 300 Km is already an extreme range for such a non-existent, unrealistic loadout. 10 minutes was actually a bit too much. I should have said it won't even reach 300 Km. And no, this is not the max load of LCA, this is beyond even the max operational loads of a Rafale or MKI.

You see, this demonstrates your comprehension skills are still at the level of a 3 year old. Even if I get back to replying to your posts, the problem is you don't understand what is posted.

All the other so called claims that you have pointed out that I made are simply your assumptions like the above example and show your disingenuous nature.

You call yourself an aeronautics student but you don't even know something as simple as sustained turn rate. This is the same as how you confused Calibrated Air Speed (CAS) to Close Air Support. This time you bring in loop performance and confuse it with sustained turn rate. The loop performance is better than what LCA demonstrated for most other fighters.

Years ago, I had claimed that AoA for LCA did not exceed 18 deg for IOC-1, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed that STR goal is only 17deg/sec, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed LCA never crossed Mach 1.4, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed LCA cannot go supersonic at sea level, and you called me a liar.

All the above are true as of today. Funny that.

Today, I claim AoA for FOC is 24 deg, and you will still call me a liar in 2015.
I claim MMR won't perform beyond 100-120 Km for a 5m2 target, and you will still call me a liar in 2015.
I claim we will only get 4 SP aircraft by next year end, and you will still call me a liar in 2015.

The same thing will repeat. You are not willing to learn and you have been posting wrong information for all the months I have ignored you. Nobody has been correcting your posts since the time you have been on the ignore list of most of the senior members here.

It doesn't make sense for us to remove you from our ignore list. So, do us a favor and put us on your ignore list too. It would be better if you stop quoting my posts and mentioning me, since it is irritating to read your disingenuous posts. I ignore your posts even if you do anyway, so your monologues serve no purpose.

To other members, it is your prerogative what you want to believe, but majority of his posts simply carry incorrect information like the ones Shiphone quoted. It is always better to double check his claims.

What is the need to load ten smrt bombs on a single tejas and expect it to fly for hours,

In a sukhoi and RAFLE you load say x number of bombs and expect to have a Y no hours for loiter time,

logically in a tejas you load x/2 number of smart bombs and expect it to have 0.75*Y hours of loiter time,

Nothing wrong with it,

tejas cost a third of Su-30 MKi and a fifth of RAFALE if you consider the total lifecycle and MLU costs,

So if an air fleet has a budget for X billion dollars having more number of tejas for the less number of other forex bleeding fighters makes up for lesser bomb loads of tejas,

Years ago, I had claimed that AoA for LCA did not exceed 18 deg for IOC-1, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed that STR goal is only 17deg/sec, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed LCA never crossed Mach 1.4, and you called me a liar.
I had claimed LCA cannot go supersonic at sea level, and you called me a liar.

Show me where you made these claims. All of these are lies,

it was me who posted the ASR by MSD Wollen in our conversation first,

So how can you claim them first?

Now go and see ADA poste in aeroindia 2013 which clearly says top speed mach 1.6 achieved in altitude ceiling till date.


It is the award winning test pilot Suneet krishna who said in his interview that tejas has already reached AOA of 24 deg and will IAF asked an AOA of 28 deg for FOC,

And he said that it will go beyond that even after FOC,

I have posted NAL research PDF which says Cl max peaks at 35deg AOA
and

tejas retains significant rudder control even at an AOA of around 30 degrees


lets see who is proved as a liar after FOC

the other members who you quote here are a gang of stupid fools who hide in a toilet when i use the F-16 XL specs to disprove their stupid claims of tail less delta having more drag, less said the better about them,

and guys who twit the simple statement I made which is ,"tejas completes a vertical loop in 20 seconds with a vertical STR of 18 deg". if these deaf and dumb people mistake it for STR in horizontal loop nothing can be done about it,

And still fret tongue tied to counter the improvement of cranked delta RSS fly by wire F-16 Xl over F-16,

Since when did I say I am an aeronautical engineering student?



So what? Your posts and your gloriou ignore list are fit for a place in the recycle bin of this threads.

 

[Defcon 1]

What I started to say was that tejas has a vertical sustained turn rate of 18 deg per second , even within the 20 deg AOA limit and 6g limits.

I never said that tejas did a horizontal turn with a sustained turn rate of 18 deg per second, if people couldn't digest the fact tejas did a vertical loop in 20 seconds , they should not try to put words in my mouth.

No. You actually never used the term "vertical sustained turn rate" before Shipone pointed out your lie. You have always claimed that STR of Tejas was 18 degree/sec. Evidence to that can be found in the following posts.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-113.html

post #1688

that tejas mk-1 LSPs( up to 5) were never ever pushed to even their opened flight envelope limits of 22 aoa and 6G limit, that too with 400 Kg testing equipment on board in any aeroindia display, giving it a STR of 18 deg per second ,

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-66.html

post #986

So the difference between the Tejas mk-1 and Grippen C/D is not very much .Considering tejas mk-1 achieved 18 deg STR with far lower AOA limitations of 22 deg and restricted 6Gs.Meanwhile the much powerful F-15 has an STR of just 15 to 18 deg, which is at about 70 percent of the Tejas mk-1 and grippen capability.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-121.html

post #1806

From 1 to 21 seconds a vertical loop in 20 seconds gives it a STR of 18 deg(360/20 seconds).

It is the same STR as that of F-16's whose flight envelope is opened till 9Gs and to it's full AOA spec.

and finally

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-122.html

post #1823, the post which was put into question by @shipone

From 1 to 21 seconds a vertical loop in 20 seconds gives it a STR of 18 deg(360 degree /20 seconds).

It is the same STR as that of F-16's whose flight envelope is opened till 9Gs and to it's full AOA spec.

tejas did pull this 20 seconds vertical loop with 6G and 20 deg AOA flight envelope restriction in 2013 aeroindia flight display.

if it is going to be cleared for 8Gs as explained in post 1803 along with a much higher AOA of 24-26 deg in FOC it sure is going to better this STR of around 18 deg displayed in aeroindia 2013.

As can be clearly seen, not on one but many instances, you have claimed that Tejas's STR was 18 degree per second, you never used the term "vertical sustained turning rate" until Shipone pointed out your lie. You did not stop at that, but you also claimed that Tejas's STR was better or equal to both F15 and F16. Not only this, you also claimed that this STR can be even further improved. Question is how did you claim that Tejas had STR of 18 degree/second when it cannot be measured from the performance in a vertical loop?

For the benefit of all, as one will find in any book or reputable website related to aviation, STR is defined for strictly horizontal turns only since only in horizontal turns, angle between the gravitational force and the centripetal force remains constant, thereby implying a steady state. Turning performance in vertical loops is not a measure of STR. So please don't listen to people who measure the STR by measuring the time taken to perform vertical loops. You will be fooling yourself.

 

[p2prada]

it was me who posted the ASR by MSD Wollen in our conversation first,

---- you. It was Sridhar who posted it. Before he did you hadn't even heard of Wollen.

He posted this also.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/18521-ada-tejas-lca-iii-194.html#post573804

It seems this article is not posted here ..

This was my post after Sridhar posted it.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/18521-ada-tejas-lca-iii-195.html#post573983

Yeah. This article was never posted here.

The rest of your post is BS as usual, just like the above claim.

 

[p2prada]

@ersakthivel

This is Twinblade's post to the mods after replying to a few posts from you.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/18521-ada-tejas-lca-iii-207.html#post579107

Rant on/
Respected Mods,
The thread is being derailed by one poster who refuses to give proof for the claims he is making. None, zilch, Nada and shall not back down from making disingenuous posts. This is highly infuriating to posters who actually do. Please take notice before other posters quit posting in this thread and it gets filled with pages after pages of unsubstantiated claims, and nationalistic tripe.

Regards,
Twinblade.

Rant off/

Whatever was claimed here, happened.

 

[ersakthivel]

No. You actually never used the term "vertical sustained turn rate" before Shipone pointed out your lie. You have always claimed that STR of Tejas was 18 degree/sec. Evidence to that can be found in the following posts.

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-113.html

post #1688



http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-66.html

post #986



http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-121.html

post #1806



and finally

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/43717-ada-lca-tejas-iv-122.html

post #1823, the post which was put into question by @shipone



As can be clearly seen, not on one but many instances, you have claimed that Tejas's STR was 18 degree per second, you never used the term "vertical sustained turning rate" until Shipone pointed out your lie. You did not stop at that, but you also claimed that Tejas's STR was better or equal to both F15 and F16. Not only this, you also claimed that this STR can be even further improved. Question is how did you claim that Tejas had STR of 18 degree/second when it cannot be measured from the performance in a vertical loop?

For the benefit of all, as one will find in any book or reputable website related to aviation, STR is defined for strictly horizontal turns only since only in horizontal turns, angle between the gravitational force and the centripetal force remains constant, thereby implying a steady state. Turning performance in vertical loops is not a measure of STR. So please don't listen to people who measure the STR by measuring the time taken to perform vertical loops. You will be fooling yourself.

nice work, but the small detail you fail to note is that in two of the four occasions i used the term in vertical loop ,

In other two occasions i did not use it.

But every one following my posts would know that on what plane I meant the 18 degree STR to be , if , It is difficult for you and couple of your useless friends changes nothing.


Ofcourse traditional STR is measured in horizontal plane , i never refuted it.

but how would you measure the agility of the fighter in vertical loop?

I still claim with the agility shown in vertical loop tejas horizontal STR has every chance of exceeding the F-16 A, B with AOA set to go beyond 28 degree and G limit set to reach 8G,

So I am really confused which great lie that your chines friend shown his genius light on!!!!!!


I ask another question have you compared the vertical loop timing of all other fighters with tejas and what conclusion you draw from them?

Ofcourse reputable or not when a fighter pulls a fast vertical loop it counts for combat agility and indicates the fighter will be equally agile on horizontal plane as well.

Every loop has a sustained turn rate, Then how would you calculate the agility of the fighter in vertical loop.

. But with AOA set to far beyond 24 deg or even 28 deg as test pilot Suneet krishna put it , tejas would certainly exceed the 18 deg STR in horizontal loop too,

 

[ersakthivel]

@ersakthivel


This is Twinblade's post to the mods after replying to a few posts from you.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/18521-ada-tejas-lca-iii-207.html#post579107


Whatever was claimed here, happened.

Oh really ,

I thought at least after IOC-2 with the tejas specs released ,

you guys would stop your infantile drooling for a while,

What a disappointment,

first teach the twin blades of your that a circle would like like an ellipse if viewed from an oblique angle.


then lets see about the usefulness of his fake prophecies ,which you hold dear to your heart.

 

[sasi]

 

[ersakthivel]

---- you. It was Sridhar who posted it. Before he did you hadn't even heard of Wollen.

He posted this also.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/18521-ada-tejas-lca-iii-194.html#post573804


This was my post after Sridhar posted it.
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/indian-air-force/18521-ada-tejas-lca-iii-195.html#post573983


The rest of your post is BS as usual, just like the above claim.

You may have posted it. but the question is did you read it,
because due to the delay in funding release for two TDs till 1993,
the FOC is to be achieved only in 2010,

is what Woolen posted there.

But you have been ranting on and on continuously that tejas is late by one decade, two decade and so on,

i did not read sridhar's post then,

but it is confirmed that you didn't post even a single authentic link to substantiate even a single stupid claim of yours like a couple of Mig-21s can wipe out a squadron of tejas and so and so blh blah list of ten lies I posted in the previous post,

ofcourse for trolls who don't understand hary Hillaker's design which clearly proves the cranked tail less delta RSS fly by wire F-16 XL excels

the simple cropped delta F-16 XL on every count there is no cure.

As far as you are concerned everything you can not explain is BS.

 

[Twinblade]

first teach the twin blades of your that a circle would like like an ellipse if viewed from an oblique angle.

Which post of mine are you talking about ?

Do you refer to this conversation ?

In the following photo the same 584 mm represented by the yellow (turret front width)measures 18 mm on scale.

Don't use this image for analysis. The aspect ratio is wrong in this picture. You will always get a wider measurement.

Regards.

Which aspect ratio?

The dimensions of the picture are distorted. The picture is not in its original height to width ratio. You can see the barrel is elleptical, for a picture taken from front, the barrel should be more or less circular. This indicates that the picture's aspect ratio has been altered. Try using a different front shot for measurements. You can compare it with pictures you posted in the posts that followed, the barrel is circular in them for more or less similar bearings of the gun barrel.

Regards.

The original image and post quoted by me is still there for people there to see. You sir, are a charlatan and your posts are nothing more than nationalist tripe. I don't care about the nationalist part, but I do care about an utter lack of ingenuity a humility in your arguments, one of the reasons you happen to be on my ignore list. Unfortunately, being a rabid nationalist has bought you a lot of leeway from the mods around here. And yes, the ignore function should disable any notification from your mentions or quotes, but unfortunately it doesn't and is of no used when you are logged out. So a humble request, stop quoting me or mentioning me, I have been instructed by mods to put you on ignore list and I intend to stick by it. I have enough real world responsibilities on me anyways and I don't intend to waste all of my leisure time on a spiteful teenager.

 

[aerokan]

I appeal for calm between the posters... I understand that the anger and frustration has been building inside each of you for a while now. Now somebody please explain me and other members how STR is calculated and what do you think the STR of Tejas is and also please let us know how you came to the conclusion based on your STR measurement method?

Despite your fights, lot of members learnt a lot and are still learning from most of your valuable posts. Nobody can be 100% right and that's ok. @p2prada @ersakthivel @Twinblade @Defcon 1

 

[ersakthivel]

Which post of mine are you talking about ?

Do you refer to this conversation ?



The original image and post quoted by me is still there for people there to see. You sir, are a charlatan and your posts are nothing more than nationalist tripe. I don't care about the nationalist part, but I do care about an utter lack of ingenuity a humility in your arguments, one of the reasons you happen to be on my ignore list. Unfortunately, being a rabid nationalist has bought you a lot of leeway from the mods around here. And yes, the ignore function should disable any notification from your mentions or quotes, but unfortunately it doesn't and is of no used when you are logged out. So a humble request, stop quoting me or mentioning me, I have been instructed by mods to put you on ignore list and I intend to stick by it. I have enough real world responsibilities on me anyways and I don't intend to waste all of my leisure time on a spiteful teenager.

Ok sleepy poster of mistakes,

where is the proof that the dimensions are distorted?

In this picture the gun is not pointed at the camera and is at a height different than the camera.So the barrel will naturally appear as an oval . If you want the barrel to appear a circle it should point right at the camera .

And the barrel will appear eliptical when the gun is depressed, to a horizontal plane lower than the camera or higher than the camera,

It can be observed on any photo of a circle shot from a plane higher than the one on which it is located,

Don't you know that simple truth?

Without even knowing this perspective distortion you are calling me names!!!!!!!!!!!!

SO in all tank photos from the front if barrel appears eliptical, the picture is distorted perhaps,

If at all you have seen a stuff called mini drafter in your engineering drawing class, you will not be posting such BS,

You need to get a post in CBI forensic department,

With this level of knowledge you are using the CEMILAC report

which prescribes fuselage plug as a whole some prescription(without this tejas achieved super sonic speeds at sea level and in fact crossed the highest speeds reached by SU-30 MKI and Mig-29 in indian skies is entirely another matter)

You have been calling it a draggier airframe not only in this forum but on other forums as well.

Attributing this cross section increase for all the problems of tejas, and as if it is a huge mistake committed by the designers here,

But now it appears that without this fuselage plug other solutions were found out an tejas is now super sonic in all altitudes,

When I pointed out this to you again , you said you haven't seen any empirical evidence for that,

What more emprical evidence you need than the officail IAF press release which stated that tejas crossed the top speeds achieved by Su-30 MKI and Mig-29 in goa skies when pulling out of a powerless dive from 4 Km at sea level as part of a flutter test?

Then why did you keep quiet when I asked you to post the cross section vs fuselage length graph of grippen ?

Mostly you post some stuff and make a conclusion not related to is what I have seen.

But one thing you are prone to do is to bite like a rabis infected dog when some one counters you with the truth.


I am no nationalistic tripe, but I don' know what your motives are in making such wrong connection.

Motive is not far to guess, But why muddy the waters further?

 

[mehrotraprince]

We expect some real arguments & some merits in those arguments. Unless you have a solid background in Engg./Mechanics, please don't copy-paste opinions without a second thought.

Please don't question his ability or knowledge, in real world every airforce follows the basic rule of forming a squadron by adding single seat fighters + trainers or dual seat fighters. For example in IAF 1 squadron = 16 single seater + 2 trainers = 18 aircraft's. Since 40 LCA MK1 was ordered by IAF and 8 LSP's were also to be inducted so I thought for Tejas 1 squadron = 24 aircrafts(22 single seat + 2 trainers). But according to him

A Tejas squadron will consist of 21 aircraft (not 24)
- 18 fighters
- 1 aircraft in servicing
- 1 trainer
- 1 standby aircraft

Now what the hell is 1 aircraft in servicing and 1 standby aircraft?? why not 2 in servicing and 4 in standby??
Is this new definition of squadron formation and by what logic??

 

[Twinblade]

I appeal for calm between the posters... I understand that the anger and frustration has been building inside each of you for a while now.

I don't get angry. It's the internet. who the hell cares.

Now somebody please explain me and other members how STR is calculated and what do you think the STR of Tejas is and also please let us know how you came to the conclusion based on your STR measurement method?

Despite your fights, lot of members learnt a lot and are still learning from most of your valuable posts. Nobody can be 100% right and that's ok. @p2prada @ersakthivel @Twinblade @Defcon1

Shiphone's post is a good starting point to understanding the concept of sustained turn. More at this link :- http://www.dept.aoe.vt.edu/~lutze/AOE3104/turningflight.pdf

Tejas is expected to exceed 17 degree sustained turn rate.

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Ersakthivel, when will you understand the concept of ignore list ?

 

[rvjpheonix]

I must admit you have exposed me completely. I was being paid handsomely to spread lies about domestic programs, but you had to meddle in my livelihood, didn't you ? I was being paid by RSS agents that are actually Indian Mujahideen double agents recruited from the cadre of Samajwadi party's minority cell puppeteered by the Communist Party of India's sleeper cell that was constituted as a part of false flag operation by Gujarat police on behest of Narendra Modi's beef eating duplicate, who after killing the real Modi has taken his place in an R&AW operation sanctioned by Sonia Gandhi and Pranab Mukherjee, who is indeed Subhash Chandra Bose, kept alive by organ transplants, stem cell therapy and plastic surgery by Soviet doctors that were German Nazi prisoners of war who believed in the supremacy of the Aryan race and were extensively funded by Brahmins and upper caste people who in an extensive facade were headed by Ambedkar in a massive conspiracy to overthrow the British funded by Bahadur Shah Zafar who faked his own death in Rangoon aided by a few British officers sympathetic to his cause, but who were actually double agents of the British queen who had a steamy and torrid lesbian love affair with her Indian maid from marathwada, personally trained by Tantya Tope to spy on the British crown and convince them to wage a war on Lakshmi Bai who was in fact carrying the son of Aurangzeb, who time travelled into the future on a supari by Nathuram Godse to kill Gandhi's parents before he was born, but Arvind Kejriwal 30 years from now sends in a cybernetic clone of Kamal Rizwan Khan to successfully kill Auranzeb before he kills Gandhi's parents, who in a hashish fueled haze converts to Hinduism, enrolled into East India company's army, changed his name to Mangal Pandey and started a fight about greased cartridges and what not.

Now I'll never be able to afford a Bentley. Even that ponytailed joker Arindum Choudhury has a bentley. Damn you !!

OR

Alternate explanation: You happen to be on my ignore list, hence your posts are not visible to me.

Must accept. You have great imagination