ADA Tejas (LCA) News and Discussions

[arnabmit]

12 days left for IOC2

 

[Abhi9]

This time the missile was using the fire control radar. Earlier the R-73 missile was fired using HMD : Tarmak 007

 

[ersakthivel]

AK Antony to induct LCA into Air Force on December 20

NEW DELHI: After a delay of over two decades and several cost overruns, indigenously developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be inducted in the IAF later this month in Bangalore.

The under development aircraft achieved another significant milestone today with the launching of an infrared seeking air-to-air missile that hit the target with precision and destroyed the target, a DRDO statement said.

The Initial Operational Clearance-II of the aircraft will be done on DecThe under development aircraft achieved another significant milestone today with the launching of an infrared seeking air-to-air missile that hit the target with precision and destroyed the target, a DRDO statement said.

The Initial Operational Clearance-II of the aircraft will be done on December 20 at its home-base in Bangalore after which it will be inducted into the IAF by Defence Minister AK Antony, Defence officials said.

AK Antony to induct LCA into Air Force on December 20 - The Economic Times

DDM folks at TOi or Economic Times never learn anything even after two decades!!!!!!!!

They should use Uncle google's help and look at the time frame of TYPHOON and RAAFLE development time frame to know how much it takes to develop a fully degital Fly by wire RSS tail less delta airframe .

 

[Abhi9]

DDM folks at TOi or Economic Times never learn anything even after two decades!!!!!!!!

They should use Uncle google's help and look at the time frame of TYPHOON and RAAFLE development time frame to know how much it takes to develop a fully degital Fly by wire RSS tail less delta airframe .

Hater's gonna Hate. let them. Dogs that bark never bite and we just roll on. Time to enjoy this moment as countless hours of research and dedication but a team of scientist started to make a aircraft when they was not even technology to make a car in our India.

Battered by media, neglected by the political wing, Working on meager pay, and rubbished by these so called techno's.Facing tech denials their effort is applaudable. Lets salute them they have given the country a world class product. Its the moment of Joy and tribulations.

People who cannot do anything by themselves always laugh at other's effort. When these efforts fructify haters still gonna hate but we roll on

Jai Hind

 

[Shirman]

@ersakthivel did U.S. delivered GE-414 engines for LCA Mk.2 any updates for that.................

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

can tejas do in air refueling.

 

[Neeraj Mathur]

@ersakthivel did U.S. delivered GE-414 engines for LCA Mk.2 any updates for that.................

F414-GE-INS6
India's Aeronautical Development Agency selected the F414-GE-INS6 engine to power the Mk II version of the HAL Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) for the Indian Air Force. 99 engines were ordered in October 2010. The engine is to produce more thrust than previous F414 versions. It features a Full Authority Digital Electronic Control (FADEC) system.[21] The F414-GE-INS6 is to have six stages. The engines are to be delivered by 2013.

 

[Defcon 1]

Hi, I have two questions.

1. Has cemilac certified Tejas?
2. Is it possible to convert Tejas mk1 single seat versions to LIFT trainers in future?
@p2prada you once claimed that mk1 will be used as trainers only after 2020. Care to elaborate on that? Thanks

 

[p2prada]

Hi, I have two questions.

1. Has cemilac certified Tejas?

They have as far as I know.

2. Is it possible to convert Tejas mk1 single seat versions to LIFT trainers in future?
@p2prada you once claimed that mk1 will be used as trainers only after 2020. Care to elaborate on that? Thanks

Yes. That's what the Air Marshal said they possibly plan to do with the LCA Mk1 after ADA has finished all development work on it. It will most probably be used for operational conversion or LIFT.

The decision will be taken after ADA has completed development work which should take a few years after FOC. So it should be around 2020 or post 2020.

Depending on finances, they could even junk the fighters and free up the space for two more Mk2 squadrons or Rafale or FGFA, whichever suits their needs, after 2025.

 

[Defcon 1]

They have as far as I know.



Yes. That's what the Air Marshal said they possibly plan to do with the LCA Mk1 after ADA has finished all development work on it. It will most probably be used for operational conversion or LIFT.

The decision will be taken after ADA has completed development work which should take a few years after FOC. So it should be around 2020 or post 2020.

Depending on finances, they could even junk the fighters and free up the space for two more Mk2 squadrons or Rafale or FGFA, whichever suits their needs, after 2025.

The current certification by cemilac was done during IOC-1 which identified shortfalls in meeting the requirements. Some of those were to be met by IOC-2 while some others will only be met in the mk-2 version. So I believe another certification will be required before IOC-2. Has this certification been done?

About the second part, do you have a link for what the Air marshal said? I find it rather difficult since a LIFT aircraft requires two seats.

 

[p2prada]

The current certification by cemilac was done during IOC-1 which identified shortfalls in meeting the requirements. Some of those were to be met by IOC-2 while some others will only be met in the mk-2 version. So I believe another certification will be required before IOC-2. Has this certification been done?

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Tough nuts to crack, but here comes a safe Tejas

It is a continuous process and CEMILAC did hand over IOC certificate in 2011.

About the second part, do you have a link for what the Air marshal said? I find it rather difficult since a LIFT aircraft requires two seats.

No. It is in this thread though, but I can't go back through all the muck to find it. Google is little help in this department.

Anyway, pilots that have already trained on Hawk for Stage III can use a single seat aircraft to move to higher forms of warfare like sensor fusion and networked warfare more effectively than just throw them into a Rafale or FGFA and then train them. Basically, Tejas can be used to train pilots in battlespace management and networking. So, mostly conversion training.

 

[Vishwarupa]

Tejas LCA sprints towards IAF's frontline squadron

If the indigenous Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) has taken decades for completion, it is now in a record-breaking sprint to the finish line. The Tejas has flown an unprecedented 450 test flights this year towards a splashy ceremony in Bangalore scheduled for December 20, where Defence Minister A K Antony will preside over its induction into the Indian Air Force (IAF).

That landmark event will be the award of the Tejas' Initial Operational Certificate (IOC), which will allow the country's first indigenous modern fighter to be flown by regular pilots of the Indian Air Force (IAF). The first Tejas squadron (18-20 fighters) will be based at Sulur, near Coimbatore.

So far, only highly qualified test pilots of the National Flight Testing Centre (NFTC) in Bangalore have flown the Tejas. In the 2,400 test flights since it took to the air in 2001, the NFTC has incrementally flown the Tejas higher, faster and carried out increasingly difficult manoeuvres and weapon firings to test it meets the IAF's requirements.

On Saturday, Group Captain Suneet Verma, a veteran NFTC test pilot, fired an air-to-air missile from the Tejas at an airborne target off the Goa coast, striking the target and taking the Tejas a step closer towards IOC.

While awarding the IOC, Antony will ceremonially hand over to the IAF boss, Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne, the fighter's "Release to Service Document (RSD)", which specifies the capabilities the Tejas has already demonstrated during flight testing.

This includes aerodynamic capabilities like speed, acceleration, climb rate and angle of attack; and also the basic weapons operations already tested on the Tejas, and the fighter's proven radar and sensor capabilities. The Tejas flight-testing programme has been a prolonged and painstaking exercise, since this is India's first modern fighter. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) - a special purpose vehicle of the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), set up to manage the Tejas programme - worried that a crash during flight-testing might be a fatal blow to the project itself, and so has handled flight testing cautiously, taking twice the time that experienced countries do.

Once the IOC is awarded, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will build the IAF's first 20 Tejas fighters on a brand new production line in Bangalore. HAL has told Business Standard that it aims to roll out the first two fighters by March 2014, deliver eight fighters by end-2014, and then enhance the production line's capability to 16 fighters a year.

So far, the IAF has committed to just 40 Tejas fighters. Of these, 20 will be built to IOC standards, and the next 20 ordered when Final Operation Clearance (FOC) is obtained. The defence minister has ordered the DRDO to ensure the FOC is not delayed beyond end-2014.

Avinash Chander, the DRDO chief, tells Business Standard the FOC will involve firing a range of different weapons, including missiles and bombs, and testing the fighter for mid-air refuelling.

"With the IAF now enthused about the Tejas, and participating actively in the project, we will surely obtain FOC next year. We could not have completed over 450 test flights this year without close cooperation between the IAF, ADA and HAL," says Chander.

After obtaining FOC for the Tejas, ADA will start work on the Tejas Mark II. The key change is replacing the General Electric F-404 engine that powers the Mark I with the larger, more powerful GE F-414 engine. This will involve re-engineering the Mark I to fit in the bulkier F-414, a technological challenge for ADA.

ADA has also briefed Business Standard that the Tejas Mark II would have more fuel capacity for added range; a retractable mid-air refuelling system; a DRDO-built Airborne Electronically Scanned Array radar; world beating air-to-air missiles; an on-board oxygen-generating system, and a state-of-the-art Electronic Warfare suite to confuse enemy radars and sensors. "Eventually, the IAF is very likely to have at least 200 Tejas fighters in its fleet," says Chander.
Tejas LCA sprints towards IAF's frontline squadron | Business Standard

 

[Vishwarupa]

LCA test-fires missile with precision

NEW DELHI: The Tejas, India's first indigenously designed and developed Light Combat Aircraft ( LCA) Saturday achieved yet another milestone by launching an infrared seeking air-to-air missile that hit its target with precision, the defence ministry said.

The test, conducted in the Arabian Sea off the coast of Goa, has taken the aircraft closer to its induction in the Indian Air Force, the miniustry said in a release.
LCA test-fires missile with precision - Economic Times

 

[ersakthivel]

Tejas LCA sprints towards IAF's frontline squadron | Business Standard

That landmark event will be the award of the Tejas' Initial Operational Certificate (IOC), which will allow the country's first indigenous modern fighter to be flown by regular pilots of the Indian Air Force (IAF). The first Tejas squadron (18-20 fighters) will be based at Sulur, near Coimbatore.

So far, only highly qualified test pilots of the National Flight Testing Centre (NFTC) in Bangalore have flown the Tejas. In the 2,400 test flights since it took to the air in 2001, the NFTC has incrementally flown the Tejas higher, faster and carried out increasingly difficult manoeuvres and weapon firings to test it meets the IAF's requirements.

On Saturday, Group Captain Suneet Verma, a veteran NFTC test pilot, fired an air-to-air missile from the Tejas at an airborne target off the Goa coast, striking the target and taking the Tejas a step closer towards IOC.

While awarding the IOC, Antony will ceremonially hand over to the IAF boss, Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne, the fighter's "Release to Service Document (RSD)", which specifies the capabilities the Tejas has already demonstrated during flight testing.

This includes aerodynamic capabilities like speed, acceleration, climb rate and angle of attack; and also the basic weapons operations already tested on the Tejas, and the fighter's proven radar and sensor capabilities. The Tejas flight-testing programme has been a prolonged and painstaking exercise, since this is India's first modern fighter. The Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) - a special purpose vehicle of the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO), set up to manage the Tejas programme - worried that a crash during flight-testing might be a fatal blow to the project itself, and so has handled flight testing cautiously, taking twice the time that experienced countries do.

Once the IOC is awarded, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will build the IAF's first 20 Tejas fighters on a brand new production line in Bangalore. HAL has told Business Standard that it aims to roll out the first two fighters by March 2014, deliver eight fighters by end-2014, and then enhance the production line's capability to 16 fighters a year.

So far, the IAF has committed to just 40 Tejas fighters. Of these, 20 will be built to IOC standards, and the next 20 ordered when Final Operation Clearance (FOC) is obtained. The defence minister has ordered the DRDO to ensure the FOC is not delayed beyond end-2014.

Avinash Chander, the DRDO chief, tells Business Standard the FOC will involve firing a range of different weapons, including missiles and bombs, and testing the fighter for mid-air refuelling.

"With the IAF now enthused about the Tejas, and participating actively in the project, we will surely obtain FOC next year. We could not have completed over 450 test flights this year without close cooperation between the IAF, ADA and HAL," says Chander.

After obtaining FOC for the Tejas, ADA will start work on the Tejas Mark II. The key change is replacing the General Electric F-404 engine that powers the Mark I with the larger, more powerful GE F-414 engine. This will involve re-engineering the Mark I to fit in the bulkier F-414, a technological challenge for ADA.

ADA has also briefed Business Standard that the Tejas Mark II would have more fuel capacity for added range; a retractable mid-air refuelling system; a DRDO-built Airborne Electronically Scanned Array radar; world beating air-to-air missiles; an on-board oxygen-generating system, and a state-of-the-art Electronic Warfare suite to confuse enemy radars and sensors. "Eventually, the IAF is very likely to have at least 200 Tejas fighters in its fleet," says Chander.

 

[ersakthivel]

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Decks cleared for IOC-2 on Dec 20 in Bangalore | Most test points cleared ahead of D-Day: DRDO | SP plans on track: HAL

the fairings into which the landing gear folds in naval LCA seems to be different . Is this original picture of the NLCA?

 

[Sridhar]

Livefist: MORE PHOTOS: LCA Navy Lifts Off
the fairings into which the landing gear folds in naval LCA seems to be different . Is this original picture of the NLCA?

Livefist: MORE PHOTOS: LCA Navy Lifts Off

 

[Sridhar]

AK Antony to induct LCA into Air Force on December 20

AK Antony to induct LCA into Air Force on December 20 - Economic Times

Tejas LCA sprints towards IAF's frontline squadron

Once the IOC is awarded, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) will build the IAF's first 20 Tejas fighters on a brand new production line in Bangalore. HAL has told Business Standard that it aims to roll out the first two fighters by March 2014, deliver eight fighters by end-2014, and then enhance the production line's capability to 16 fighters a year.

After obtaining FOC for the Tejas, ADA will start work on the Tejas Mark II. The key change is replacing the General Electric F-404 engine that powers the Mark I with the larger, more powerful GE F-414 engine. This will involve re-engineering the Mark I to fit in the bulkier F-414, a technological challenge for ADA.


http://www.business-standard.com/ar...-iaf-s-frontline-squadron-113120900025_1.html

 

[Defcon 1]

Tarmak007 -- A bold blog on Indian defence: Tough nuts to crack, but here comes a safe Tejas

It is a continuous process and CEMILAC did hand over IOC certificate in 2011.



No. It is in this thread though, but I can't go back through all the muck to find it. Google is little help in this department.

Anyway, pilots that have already trained on Hawk for Stage III can use a single seat aircraft to move to higher forms of warfare like sensor fusion and networked warfare more effectively than just throw them into a Rafale or FGFA and then train them. Basically, Tejas can be used to train pilots in battlespace management and networking. So, mostly conversion training.

Can't find the link about air marshal. Please post it if you can find it.

Anyways here is what I understand. Since cemilac have already issued the certificate once, they won't be issuing it again. The shortfalls in ASR which could be corrected without changing the design have been corrected now and hence IOC-2. So two things are left, tactics preparation and mro and deployment manual preparation for training the ground and air crew.

So I am assuming that pilot training cannot start right now since manuals are not ready. So the first 4 SPs should go to TACDE for tactics prep. Pilot training could begin in a year while LSPs are utilized for manual prepartion. Am I correct?
@Decklander @Twinblade

Thanks

 

[Sridhar]

[PDF]http://ftp.rta.nato.int/public/PubFullText/RTO/MP/RTO-MP-SCI-162/MP-SCI-162-14.pdf[/PDF]

 

[Decklander]

Can't find the link about air marshal. Please post it if you can find it.

Anyways here is what I understand. Since cemilac have already issued the certificate once, they won't be issuing it again. The shortfalls in ASR which could be corrected without changing the design have been corrected now and hence IOC-2. So two things are left, tactics preparation and mro and deployment manual preparation for training the ground and air crew.

So I am assuming that pilot training cannot start right now since manuals are not ready. So the first 4 SPs should go to TACDE for tactics prep. Pilot training could begin in a year while LSPs are utilized for manual prepartion. Am I correct?
@Decklander @Twinblade

Thanks

The TACDE will fly these ac while the sqn pilots continue conversion. TACDE will lay down the procedures and tactics to exploit this ac. writing of manuals, preparation and formulation of tactics and conversion of pilots can continue simultaneously. Please remember that IAF will be inducting two sqns of these ac which means they need to train over 60 pilots on this ac and you do train pilots after the ac is delivered but before that.