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Which role suits LCA 'Tejas' more than others from following options?

  • Interceptor-Defend Skies from Intruders.

    Votes: 342 51.3%
  • Airsuperiority-Complete control of the skies.

    Votes: 17 2.5%
  • Strike-Attack deep into enemy zone.

    Votes: 24 3.6%
  • Multirole-Perform multiple roles.

    Votes: 284 42.6%

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Power to LCA [Dec 09 www.forceindia.net]
Eurojet hard-sells its engine to ADA

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Selling is an art. And managing director, Eurojet, Hartmut J. Tenter understands this very well. In India recently to reply to the RFP issued by Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) for a new engine for the Light Combat Aircraft, Tenter’s sales pitch during an interactive session with the media revolved as much around facts as clever rhetoric. After all, you don’t need a managing director to tell you how good the product is. He has to tell you why you need it, and that is what Tenter did with great flourish.

Reason number one:

LCA is a young aircraft and EJ200 is a young engine. “You can’t marry your young daughter to an old man,” he chuckled referring to the GE engine that powers the current LCA. He refused to comment on his rival, the GE engine, saying it is unethical to do so, but he allowed others to speculate on what were the advantages of his product. Someone said that EJ200 was 20 years younger than the GE engine and hence has the advantage of the new generation and Tenter shrugged. Yet another journalist pointed out that that the GE engine is bigger in diameter and is heavier than the Eurojet one and Tenter smiled. If this is not the art of selling, what is?

Reason number two:

EJ200 also powers the Eurofighter. Hence, if ADA chooses the Eurojet engine now and the Indian Air Force selects the Eurofighter later, there will be a commonality of engines. Not only will MRO become easier, there will be greater interoperability in the IAF’s fleet. “I have a feeling,” said Tenter, “ADA would not like the IAF to select a single engine fighter, as that would rival LCA.”

All this speculation apart, Tenter insisted that he is confident that the Eurojet bid is compliant. “Ours is the most modern engine and we have already delivered 650 to six nations, including four core Eurofighter partner countries. In addition to that, we have also supplied engines to Saudi Arabia and Austria,” he said. According to Tenter, with all these countries, Eurojet has forged a deep partnership, and this is what it will seek with India. “I do not believe in making promises, but in a commitment,” he said, adding, “we have given comprehensive details to ADA about how we will go about our partnership with them. It is true that partnership means effort, but if you make the effort, you get better results. And when I use the word partnership, I am doing so fully aware that it implies working together on problems and ironing them out… removing the chinks, so to speak.” To realise this dream, Tenter is confident of harnessing India’s capability in the areas of computer engineering and technology.

ADA has floated the RFP for 99 engines as of now for the Mk I version of the LCA with the option of 49 more. Tenter said that the RFP stipulates 30 per cent offsets, which is not a big issue with them. However, what is more important is transfer of technology. Hence, Tenter’s roadmap stipulates joint-development and not just joint-production. Eurojet is already working on thrust-vectoring and would be able to put the thrust vectoring nozzle when required. They have also done feasibility study for high-altitude flying. “We already have a very successful cockpit simulator at our Manching facility,” he said. Among the other developments, Eurojet is working on improved life cycle cost, less fuel run and enhanced operational capability.

In terms of production, Eurojet currently delivers nine to 10 engines in a month, but has the capacity to do 15. Hence, it is very well placed to meet the Indian requirement when it comes. More so as he says, “If we win the contract, we will start with 30 per cent of production in India and eventually move onto 50 per cent being done here.” This indeed is hard-sell, which may just go a long way.

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^ WTF! WTF! WTF!


Why do they need a private vendor to operate the shore-based Telemetry facility at Hansaa?


Do they not have the requisite expertise? or the resources? (I'd find this some hard $hit to believe!) Or are they not concerned about the espial implications of correlating flight track data and spectra data with 'outside' private sector vendors ?
 

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IAF wants EJ200 engines for Tejas, but..

Praveena Sharma / DNA


The geopolitical factor that determined state-owned Air India’s choice of commercial aircraft in the mid-2000 may come into play again in the Indian government’s selection of engines for its indigenous light combat aircraft (LCA) Tejas.

In 2005, when the national carrier’s order for 50 aircraft worth $6 billion went to US aerospace company Boeing, its French rival Airbus Industrie had said it was the “geopolitical factor” that had clinched the deal.

DNA Money has learned that Indian Air Force (IAF), which is the user of LCA Tejas, has in its recommendations to the Ministry of Defence favoured the purchase of European aerospace company Eurojet’s EJ200 over US aerospace firm General Electric’s F-414. These are the only two companies that have bid for the $750 million order for 99 engines.
An IAF official, who did not want to be named, said IAF want the EJ200 to power Tejas so that there is no delay in building the LCA with enhanced power. The government is currently carrying out technical evaluation of the two military aircraft engines.
“The thrust of EJ200 (about 85+ kilonewton) may be slightly lower than F-414 (95+ kilonewton), but it will easily fit into the LCA. And if the weight is reduced, its (EJ200) power will be adequate. Thus, we will not have to change the design of the fuselage,” the official said.

The official said since the F-414 was a “fatter” engine with a bigger diameter, it could require redesigning of fuselage. “And if that happens, then all the test flights, many of which have already been carried out, will have to be repeated and the whole programme could get considerably delayed. It will also escalate the cost.”
He, however, said the price of the European engine was higher than the American engine. “Generally, aircraft equipments bought from US are cheaper because of their scale of production. European manufacturers do not have the same volumes and so tend to be expensive,” he said.

But even though the IAF is pitching for the EJ200, the final decision would be made by the Ministry of Defence with inputs from the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) — the state-owned company that is manufacturing the aircraft — and Defence Research and Development Organisation.

A defence analyst, who did not want to be named, said looking at direction of the winds in the Indo-US relationship, which is very positive at the moment, the aircraft engine deal could well fall in the lap of the US aerospace company.

He said the order for F-414 would also work in favour of HAL and ADA. “It (F-414 order) will mean more money and work for both of them (HAL and ADA) as the aircraft require redesigning. This way we will get more business. Everybody is trying to push their own agenda,” he said. “My guess is that F-414 will be thrust upon the IAF despite the fact that they want the EJ200 because Americans are pushing hard for it.”
The two major aircraft and engine manufacturers are aggressively lobbying for the engine deal because its outcome will have a bearing on India’s order for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) worth over $10 billion.

“The government is likely to go for aircraft, which is powered by the same engine as Tejas. One argument is that if these fighter jets come in time, then any delay in the Tejas programme will have less significance on the IAF,” said the analyst.
IAF wants EJ200 engines for Tejas, but.. - dnaindia.com .


Beware of the military-industrial complex- Late President John F Kennedy

Geopolitics is always going to be the clinching factorm in defence deals ,however the GOI should look at the possible loss before signing any deal.
 

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Procurement of LCA

A contract for procurement of 20 Tejas Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) in Initial Operation Clearance (IOC) configuration, along with associated role equipment, reserve engines, engine support package, engine test bed and computer based training (CBT) package from Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was signed in March 2006. The total contract cost is Rs. 2701.70 crores. The specifications of the aircraft are as per the Air Service Requirements framed by the Indian Air Force. Delivery of the aircraft is expected to commence after IOC is achieved.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri AK Antony in a written reply to Shri Pradeep Majhi in Lok Sabha today.
 

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IAF Pushes For LCA Upgrades And Additional Aircraft | India Defence Online

While the Indian Air Force (IAF) has recently placed an additional order of 20 indigenous ‘Tejas’ light combat aircraft (LCA) with the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), it has expressed the need to upgrade the ‘Tejas’ LCA as early as possible.

At present, only two firms, namely European aerospace company Eurojet and US aerospace firm General Electric are the bidders for the $750 million order for 99 engines for ‘Tejas’ LCA. The Indian government is in the process of evaluating the technicalities of both the engines.

While both the international firms are pushing hard for the deal, the final decision rests with the Indian Defence Ministry which is gauging what is best for the IAF from the point of view of state-owned HAL, which is making the ‘Tejas’ LCA and taking inputs from Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) as well as the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA).

Analysts feel IAF may get victimized due to a variety of reasons and may have to accept the US General Electric’s F-414 engine. One of the factors is the price. The Eurojet EJ200 is more expensive that the US firms F-414 engine.

As for the current optimism and bonding in the Indo-US military relations, US has a better chance of clinching the deal. Besides, the outcome of the deal will have an effect on the $10 billion order for 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) which India has initiated. Experts feel that Indian government would opt for the aircraft which is powered by the same engine as ‘Tejas’ LCA.
 

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Fighter aircraft Tejas clocks fastest speed during testing

INS Hansa (Goa) In the final phase of its tests before formal commissioning, India’s indigenous light combat aircraft Tejas went past its ultimate speed of 1,350 KMPH over the Goa skies and clocked the fastest speed ever, a top IAF officer said today.
“The aircraft went past its ultimate speed of 1350 kmph on December 7 over the skies in Goa after take off from the naval air station INS Hansa,” Commander Rohit Varma, project director (flight test), National flight test centre, told reporters here.

“This is the fastest speed ever achieved by an Indian- made fighter aircraft,” he said.

The aircraft also passed flight flutter test diving from an altitude of four kilometers to almost sea level at 900 feet.

“Tejas has already passed high-altitude tests in Leh, the desert rigours in Rajasthan and now it has proved its worth over the maritime space in Goa,” Varma said.

The IAF has already ordered 20 LCAs from HAL at a contract worth Rs 2701.70 crore. The fighters are to be delivered by 2013.

The LCA, a project of aeronautical development agency (ADA) is the first supersonic fighter craft manufactured indigenously by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The aircraft will have naval and Indian air force version, of which the latter is undergoing testing at Goa naval base.

“It can fly from a base and also from an aircraft carrier,” P S Subramanyam, Programme Director (Combat aircraft) and director, ADA, said.

The officials confirmed that the naval version of the aircraft would be attached to aircraft carrier Gorshkov once the aircraft is inducted for operations.

Subramanyam said the LCA-naval will have capability to take off from ski jump platform of aircraft carriers. “The development of the naval version is progressing very fast.

There are few glitches but we will overcome them.” The IAF is likely to base the lightweight multi-role jet fighters at Sulur in Coimbatore. “They are earmarked for squadron no 45, which will be the first LCA squadron,” Varma said.

The HAL has manufactured four aircraft which are being put under rigorous testing by fighter pilots.

Varma said a team led by Captain Jaydeep Malawankar was testing the aircraft before their induction into the defence force.

Air vice Marshal Shankar Mani told reporters that the first consignment of four aircraft would be delivered by January 2011, followed by eight aircraft in 2012 and another eight in 2013.

Fighter aircraft Tejas clocks fastest speed during testing - Express India
 

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1350 kph =1.1mach.
its still less not even equal to Mig-21.
Mig-21 has Mach 2.2.
 

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maybe it is a typo.........1350mph
no way HAL projected Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 (2,376+ km/h at high altitude) at 15,000 m.
LCA is inducted only to save ''Pride of Nation'' and for Prestige of DRDO and HAL.
 

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INS Hansa (Goa) In the final phase of its tests before formal commissioning, India’s indigenous light combat aircraft Tejas went past its ultimate speed of 1,350 KMPH over the Goa skies and clocked the fastest speed ever, a top IAF officer said today.
“The aircraft went past its ultimate speed of 1350 kmph on December 7 over the skies in Goa after take off from the naval air station INS Hansa,” Commander Rohit Varma, project director (flight test), National flight test centre, told reporters here.

“This is the fastest speed ever achieved by an Indian- made fighter aircraft,” he said.

The aircraft also passed flight flutter test diving from an altitude of four kilometers to almost sea level at 900 feet.

“Tejas has already passed high-altitude tests in Leh, the desert rigours in Rajasthan and now it has proved its worth over the maritime space in Goa,” Varma said.

The IAF has already ordered 20 LCAs from HAL at a contract worth Rs 2701.70 crore. The fighters are to be delivered by 2013.

The LCA, a project of aeronautical development agency (ADA) is the first supersonic fighter craft manufactured indigenously by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL).

The aircraft will have naval and Indian air force version, of which the latter is undergoing testing at Goa naval base.

“It can fly from a base and also from an aircraft carrier,” P S Subramanyam, Programme Director (Combat aircraft) and director, ADA, said.

The officials confirmed that the naval version of the aircraft would be attached to aircraft carrier Gorshkov once the aircraft is inducted for operations.

Subramanyam said the LCA-naval will have capability to take off from ski jump platform of aircraft carriers. “The development of the naval version is progressing very fast.

There are few glitches but we will overcome them.” The IAF is likely to base the lightweight multi-role jet fighters at Sulur in Coimbatore. “They are earmarked for squadron no 45, which will be the first LCA squadron,” Varma said.

The HAL has manufactured four aircraft which are being put under rigorous testing by fighter pilots.

Varma said a team led by Captain Jaydeep Malawankar was testing the aircraft before their induction into the defence force.

Air vice Marshal Shankar Mani told reporters that the first consignment of four aircraft would be delivered by January 2011, followed by eight aircraft in 2012 and another eight in 2013.

Fighter aircraft Tejas clocks fastest speed during testing - Express India
this source claims 1350Kmph is the best of LCA passed still now, but i accept that the final plane would go Mach 2.0,
 

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no way HAL projected Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 (2,376+ km/h at high altitude) at 15,000 m.
LCA is inducted only to save ''Pride of Nation'' and for Prestige of DRDO and HAL.
I do not agree, IAF knows very well the future capabilities of LCA. At this stage too LCA is a highly advanced fighter plane, it's not being inducted merely to save "pride of Nation".Actually it was planned to replace the old faulty planes, but it was IAF who kept changing its requirements, so IAF knows well that LCA is highly capable & up to date plane and not like JF-17. LCA's current induction will not only help IAF to train its pilots for the future variants of LCA but it's also a good step towards self reliance in the field of defense aviation...
 

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I think it's a typo, or maybe it was flying very low; fighters have such speeds at ground level.
 

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Mach 2 is too fast to get off the low thrust of a single EJ-200.
I'm not sure I understand, can you elaborate a bit? TIA
 

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India can manufacture only 8 Light Combat Aircraft a year’

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Despite a pending order from the Indian Air Force (IAF) for 20 light combat aircraft (LCA), India can manufacture only eight such aircraft annually, a senior Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) official has said.N. Shyama Rao, project director at the ADA, said Tuesday that while only eight LCA could be manufactured annually, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), a public sector undertaking unit involved in the manufacture of the LCA, would undertake a massive recruitment drive in order to expand the scope of production of the fighter planes.
‘Currently we can manufacture 8 aircraft per annum, which is extendable up to 12,’ Rao said at a press conference at the INS Hansa, a naval base in Goa 30 km from here.
He also said that HAL in the near future could recruit nearly 500 officers to meet the challenge.
While the IAF has already ordered 20 LCA to be delivered by 2013, they are expected to order 20 more of the fighter craft which was christened Tejas by former prime minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.
The LCA will replace the IAF’s ageing Mig 21-fleet, while the naval version of the LCA will replace the maritime force’s fleet of Sea Harriers.
‘Even the Indian Navy will be ordering the LCA once the ski jump trials are validated,’ Air Vice Marshal Shankar Mani told reporters, adding that the naval version was still in the prototype phase.
The ski jump trials, which are compulsory for the naval version of the LCA, will enable the fighter craft to land and take off from the deck of aircraft carriers. ‘After spending some initial years on shore bases, the LCAs will also be posted onboard the Gorshkov, once it joins the Indian fleet,’ Mani said.
He said addition of the LCA to the IAF fleet would help close the gap between the subsonic Kiran aircraft and the supersonic Mig 21.
Armed with air to air, air to ground missiles and a bomb carrying a 1,000 pound payload, the LCA, which clocked in excess of 1,350 kmph during a trial off Goa Tuesday, is expected to cost Rs.150 crore per aircraft.
P.N. Subramanium, project director at the ADA, said the LCA represented fourth generation technology. ‘The LCA is contemporary in every sense, whether it is in terms of sensors, electronic systems, technology, weaponry, etc,’ he said.
The indigenously made fighter plane which has been flown by more than a dozen test pilots so far will be ready for induction into the IAF by 2010.
‘India can manufacture only 8 Light Combat Aircraft a year’ IDRW.ORG
 

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Indian-made fighter plane Tejas clocks fastest speed .:. newkerala.com Online News -6923

Tejas which is undergoing rigorous testing in saline, humid marine conditions in and off the coast of Goa, had performed admirably in the two-week long trials in Goa, Air Commodore Rohit Varma who is also the commanding officer of the Bangalore-based National Flight Testing Centre (NFTC) told reporters at the INS Hansa naval base Tuesday.

"The trials which lasted for two weeks comprised of flutter clearances, weapons firing, performance, stability and avionics validation. The LCA is the first supersonic fighter being manufactured indigenously by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL)," Varma, an elite pilot himself, said.

As part of the initial operational clearance, the Aeronautics Development Agency (ADA) had inducted three aircraft to Goa for conducting various sea-level flight tests, he said.

Varma also said that the LCA had already been tested in other extreme atmospheric conditions.

"Tejas has already been tested for high altitude and cold climate at Leh and in the desert environment of Rajasthan," he said. "During the trials Tejas clocked in excess of 1,350 kmph," Varma said, adding that the ADA in tandem with HAL was also in the process of manufacturing a naval version of the LCA.

"While the present trials are in progress for the air force version, the first prototype aircraft for the navy is also under production. The LCA-navy will be capable of taking off and landing on an aircraft carrier," he said.

The LCA is expected to cost Rs.150 crore per aircraft and will find its home at the Sulur air force base near Coimbatore. The Indian Air Force has already ordered 20 LCAs from HAL, which will be delivered to them by 2013.

Air Vice Marshal Shankar Mani, who was also present during the media briefing, said the IAF could place a further order of 20 more LCAs after the first order.
 

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30 new flight test data has been updated in ADA website. LCA now has clocked 1260 test flights.

[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][SIZE=-1]LCA-Tejas has completed 1260 Test Flights successfully. (09-Dec-09).[/SIZE][/FONT]

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    [*] LCA has completed 1260 Test Flights successfully
    (TD1-233,TD2-305,PV1-235,PV2-128,PV3-188,LSP1-54,LSP2-116,PV5-1).
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  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][SIZE=-1] 235th flight of Tejas PV1 occurred on 08th Dec 09.[/SIZE][/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][SIZE=-1] 188th flight of Tejas PV3 occurred on 08th Dec 09.[/SIZE][/FONT]
  • [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,Univers,Zurich BT][SIZE=-1] 116th flight of Tejas LSP2 occurred on 08th Dec 09.[/SIZE][/FONT]
(09-Dec-09)Tejas-LCA
 

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I'm not sure I understand, can you elaborate a bit? TIA
Tejas was undergoing flutter testing, where you take it to its max speed at different altitudes and see if it shakes appart. The tests were from 4km to 900ft in altitude. So you can figure if reporters are going ape shyte over a top speed they are going to record the max they got out of it which would be at 4000 metres. With a 1350+kmph at 4km, top speed on its current engine is probably Mach 1.8 if you took it up to cruising altitude.
 
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