2016 India–Pakistan military confrontation

[Indx TechStyle]

In six day war Israel struck a preemptive strike. While you point out Israel's dependence on Western world you should have also looked into Arab world's dependence on Soviet Union.

Israel has even been involved with Chinese, Russians and Indians.
And again, Israel's closeness with US can't be compared to that of Arabs with Soviets.

Similarly, France could never get hospitality facilitated by US to UK.

Building large navy and successfully establishing one as naval power are different.

India's doing both.

Plus Chinese do have lots ocean related territorial problems India does not.

Wrong

Even if two front war does not happen still how on earth an AC is going to help us? Chinese navy does not posses the capability attack using surface vessels in Bay of Bengal, except their submarines Chinese navy does not possess any threat. Indian navy is also unable to sail to SCS, even US navy is scarred about going to full scale war despite having lots of modern equipment and more escort vessels in this case Indian navy does not have capability to do any thing in SCS by AC. That's why I say in navy instead of building giant ACs we should concentrate to build more attack submarines and boast anti-submarine warfare aircraft.

Now it comes to land war. India-China war will by won by that country which has best Mountain divisions and artillery. Wasting huge amount of money on AC is not going to defeat PLA in Mountains. In case of war with Pakistan, Land based Su 30MKIs are enough to cripple their navy. So why are we even building ACs? To compete with US?

https://warisboring.com/the-u-s-navy-s-big-mistake-building-tons-of-supercarriers-79cb42029b8

Once, again useless and irrevalent.
You were supposed defend your point and now lecturing me on my own point.

Didn't China also lost to Soviets for similar reasons?
Over that (for above point), next India China war is highly unlikely (at least in mountains) but high chances for a confrontation in SCS. Plus AC is a tool.for power projection.
And plus India's aspirations aren't China centred either.

Seriously, you're very bad at staying on topic.

I was talking about him being still arrested, in post.

Even before that, you were talking that why GOI is stepping ahead for talks.

Then, I said for damaging other side but you stuck on his imprisonment (or who knows talks are for get him back actually).

 

[aditya10r]

Far from it.
Does it even hold any sense? Passing away blanket statements that one in two army officers is a terrorist sympathiser?

And that too coming from a keyboard warrionationanever even probably been within a 100 kms of an international border even. Leave aside knowing what armed forces are all about.

But most of the traitors have been Muslim and I do not think 1 of every 2 Muslim in army is corrupt and bikau maal.

All I am dating that Muslims pose a threat to this country(fortunately their population is less than 10% of Muslim population)

 

[Bornubus]

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Ye chutiyapa mujhe modi ka aaj tak samaj nahi ayaa

Yh Chutyapa samajh aya ?

 

[Screambowl]

btw im yet to see any report of indian ceasefire violation in reply to paks........it seems like army is planning for something or have lost interest in replying back

proxy war has far more and deeper tentacles. It's a tactical game.

This is a network is like a team which carries out attack, other team which funds, other team which says India should talk peace with Pakistan.

And there are many big players!

Pakistan is confident that India cannot strike and if they strike ask the lobby in India to pressurise for the talks.

The Paki DGMO requested the hault prepared the proxies and they hit it again.

This is so bl**Dy chutiyapa by our high ranking officers.

This is why there is a need to cut diplomatic ties with Pakis.

 

[Bornubus]

This is why there is a need to cut diplomatic ties with Pakis.

MFN status ka kya hua ?

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[Indx TechStyle]

That's today in 10 years Chinese will have atleast 5 AC and you can expect 1 or 2 to be permanently in the Indian ocean.

Btw ..this is going off topic .

You are right we should open a separate thread on this.

If you guys are really interested in Chinese military information, please keep yourself updated as well.
Having 5 carriers till 2025 (including one nuclear) was proposed schedule which was never met. In fact, program is even well behind schedule.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_programme
Mentioning other forums isn't allowed otherwise I would have put direct link to Chinese Forum.
Type 001A won't be launched before 2018-19 and induction not before 2020-21. At best, PLAN can have 3 carriers by 2030 and so is India.

 

[aditya10r]

MFN status ka kya hua ?

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Usko g**D mein daal kar baith chukr hain politicians

 

[raheel besharam]

proxy war has far more and deeper tentacles. It's a tactical game.

This is a network is like a team which carries out attack, other team which funds, other team which says India should talk peace with Pakistan.

And there are many big players!

Pakistan is confident that India cannot strike and if they strike ask the lobby in India to pressurise for the talks.

The Paki DGMO requested the hault prepared the proxies and they hit it again.

This is so bl**Dy chutiyapa by our high ranking officers.

This is why there is a need to cut diplomatic ties with Pakis.

High ranking officers of both the armies are almost of same mentality but pak officers have a big weapon in the form of support from braindead jihadis who are ready to sacrifice themselves in a fidayeen mission,,

 

[Screambowl]

High ranking officers of both the armies are almost of same mentality but pak officers have a big weapon in the form of support from braindead jihadis who are ready to sacrifice themselves in a fidayeen mission,,

And they are produced by Pak army only. And not just that, previously they used to send regular soldiers across LOC which were from SSG unit.

 

[Project Dharma]

High ranking officers of both the armies are almost of same mentality

I don't think its true anymore bro, maybe thirty years back. Paki has had close ties with US so they've learned tactics and obtained equipment from there. India has picked it up from Russia/Soviets/Indigenously developed where they didn't have access to Western training. Also Pakistan Army Generals even if liberal are still influenced by Islam to some extent. Look at Indian Generals and try to remember the last time you saw an Indian General praying in public or otherwise expressing some form of religious affiliation and then compare it to Pakistanis

 

[hit&run]

Indian Army model of mannerism, slection, ethics and conduct is best in the world. Only problem is its army learship who behaves like bureaucrats and thinks like politicians these day.

After K Sunderji hardly any thinker or stratergist has made a mark but many after retirement have reduced to give interviews to fraudulent traitors like Barkha Dutt, Vishnu Som, karan Thapar; I call feeding the beast.

 

[mayfair]

Also Pakistan Army Generals even if liberal are still influenced by Islam to some extent.

Not somewhat, Paki jarnail are completely influenced by Islam. In fact, someone with a liberal view will NEVER rise to the top of NaPaki army. Liberal does not mean shaving beard, swirling Scotch or forsaking shalwar kameez. It means anyone who does not believe in the undoubted unchallenged superiority of Islam over other faiths, especially Hindus.

The Quranic Concept of War, by Brigadier General S. K. Malik, has been an essential part of the TSPA coursework since 1980s. This is an excerpt

The Quranic strategy comes into to play from the preparation stage, and aims at imposing a direct decision upon the enemy. Other things remaining the same, our preparation for war is the true index of our performance during war. We must aim at creating a wholesome respect for our Cause and our will and determination to attain it, in the minds of the enemies, well before facing them on the field of battle. So spirited, zealous, complete and thorough should be our preparation for war that we should enter upon the ‘war of muscles’ having already won the ‘war of will’. Only a strategy that aims at striking terror into the hearts of the enemies from the preparation stage can produce direct results and turn Liddell Hart’s dream into a reality. To instill terror into the hearts of the enemy is essential in the ultimate analysis to dislocate his faith. An invincible faith is immune to terror. A weak faith offers inroads to terror.

A good review and critique maybe found at
http://thegorkabriefing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/ltcol-myers-quaranic-concept-of-war.pdf

The Paki army is following this to the tee. They do not have a plan B, which is why terror attacks will continue regardless of how we respond- war, artillery, talks. Nothing and I repeat NOTHING will stop Pakis from sending more terrorists- you kill 10 and there are hundred other replacements lined up.

We need to take it up a notch- kill them here, kill them there and hit them where it hurts most- water for their fields (Pakis despite all pretences cannot survive like Arabs in the desert). It will NOT stop them from sending more piglets (as Israel's experiences have shown) but we need to keep culling them just like we need to shave our beards, trim our hair and cut our nails from time to time. They'll grow back, but we do not stop shaving or cutting.

 

[jadoogar]

Oh my bad, i've seen similar clips like this relating to NWFP; got them mixed up.
Also, yes; graphic images aren't always censored here.

Why do you take pride in that? It rethinks my view on how Indian POWs (from LoC) are simply arrested, given biryani & chai and then sent back home.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurabh_Kalia
Talks about brutal torture of Lt Saurabh Kalia and his men by Paki jihadi army

 

[India22]

Israel has even been involved with Chinese, Russians and Indians.
And again, Israel's closeness with US can't be compared to that of Arabs with Soviets.

Similarly, France could never get hospitality facilitated by US to UK.

India's doing both.

Wrong

Once, again useless and irrevalent.
You were supposed defend your point and now lecturing me on my own point.

Didn't China also lost to Soviets for similar reasons?
Over that (for above point), next India China war is highly unlikely (at least in mountains) but high chances for a confrontation in SCS. Plus AC is a tool.for power projection.
And plus India's aspirations aren't China centred either.

Seriously, you're very bad at staying on topic.

Even before that, you were talking that why GOI is stepping ahead for talks.

Then, I said for damaging other side but you stuck on his imprisonment (or who knows talks are for get him back actually).

Open a new thread.

If you guys are really interested in Chinese military information, please keep yourself updated as well.
Having 5 carriers till 2025 (including one nuclear) was proposed schedule which was never met. In fact, program is even well behind schedule.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_aircraft_carrier_programme
Mentioning other forums isn't allowed otherwise I would have put direct link to Chinese Forum.
Type 001A won't be launched before 2018-19 and induction not before 2020-21. At best, PLAN can have 3 carriers by 2030 and so is India.

https://warisboring.com/aircraft-ca...2030s-even-with-f-35s-ea883b0f509f#.2zctm98um

 

[Bullet]

Most of these unexpected terrorist attack happen due to lax security rather than intelligence failure.


In my Army cantt (Brigade strength) there is only one "sentry" on duty outside the Officer's Mess shed.

Yes just one sentry guarding a Mechanized infantry officers mess.


Even on the entrance there are 3 Armed troops and one unarmed sentry checking Helmets, ID of people going in the Cantt.


Also, the sentries most of the time busy chatting and cracking jokes while standing in the shed which won't even save them from Handgun.



This is the general state of security of most of the cantts outside Kashmir.

You are right Bro. I saw same situation in Black Cat division HQ at Gangtok this year. Even they have a road in the middle of Cantt area which connect city to few villages. Locals use is without any hassle.

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[Project Dharma]

You are right Bro. I saw same situation in Black Cat division HQ at Gangtok this year. Even they have a road in the middle of Cantt area which connect city to few villages. Locals use is without any hassle.

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He lives in Roorkee, it is unfair to compare with Jammu. I'm not disagreeing with his general point about lax security but it is not feasible to secure every cantonment in the country. Also there is usually a QRT team ready to respond to any eventuality in the cantt. Of course cantonments in Jammu need to be treated as a literal war zone and there is no excuse for what happened here.

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Open a new thread.

Instead, meet me in convo. I don't think it's good to open a new thread, because you can't stay on topic for more than two posts.

Though, I have already been running two threads on such issues but I won't give you link to ruin them.

https://warisboring.com/aircraft-ca...2030s-even-with-f-35s-ea883b0f509f#.2zctm98um

Your source is a pathetic and ignorant "liar" website which is famous for reporting false news a number of times.
(You may ask for examples).
And even if we assume aircraft carriers may not give complete edge, it's still way stronger thing to project the power. You say become Israel because aircraft carriers are not perfect thing, the ultimate bull$hit.:bs:

But irony is that aircraft carrier was not our topic but just as an example in just a line for military buildup whom you are making a discussion.
I told you, you are not very good at staying on topic.

 

[India22]

Instead, meet me in convo. I don't think it's good to open a new thread, because you can't stay on topic for more than two posts.

Though, I have already been running two threads on such issues but I won't give you link to ruin them.

Your source is a pathetic and ignorant "liar" website which is famous for reporting false news a number of times.
(You may ask for examples).
And even if we assume aircraft carriers may not give complete edge, it's still way stronger thing to project the power. You say become Israel because aircraft carriers are not perfect thing, the ultimate bull$hit.:bs:

But irony is that aircraft carrier was not our topic but just as an example in just a line for military buildup whom you are making a discussion.
I told you, you are not very good at staying on topic.

The point was I was saying India should concentrate strength against China and Pakistan like Israel does on their neighbours and you said India should try to expand her power. ACs are relevant because ACs are tool of projection. Therefore I raised the ACs are becoming obsolete.

From the old link

These include ballistic missiles fired from a wide range of platforms, including easy to conceal mobile launchers. In a sweeping 2013 paper on the carrier’s future, Navy Capt. Henry Hendrix estimated China could produce 1,227 DF-21D ballistic anti-ship missiles for the cost of a single U.S. carrier.

Now let’s take a look at the unofficial record derived from war games. In 2002, the U.S. Navy held a large simulated war game, the Millennium Challenge, to test scenarios of attacks on the fleet by a hypothetical Gulf state — Iraq or possibly Iran.

The leader of the red team employed brilliant asymmetric tactics resulting in 16 U.S. ships, including two supercarriers, going to the bottom in a very short span of time. The Navy stopped the war game, prohibited the red team from using these tactics and then reran the exercise declaring victory on the second day.

Soviet Adm. Sergei Gorchakov reportedly held the view that the U.S. had made a strategic miscalculation by relying on large and increasingly vulnerable aircraft carriers. The influential U.S. Adm. Hyman Rickover shared this view. In a 1982 congressional hearing, legislators asked him how long American carriers would survive in an actual war.

We are making the same mistake. Even US and Soviet Admirals are saying what I said.

 

[India22]

Red received an ultimatum from Blue, essentially a surrender document, demanding a response within 24 hours. Thus warned of Blue's approach, Red used a fleet of small boats to determine the position of Blue's fleet by the second day of the exercise. In a preemptive strike, Red launched a massive salvo of cruise missiles that overwhelmed the Blue forces' electronic sensors and destroyed sixteen warships. This included one aircraft carrier, ten cruisers and five of six amphibious ships. An equivalent success in a real conflict would have resulted in the deaths of over 20,000 service personnel. Soon after the cruise missile offensive, another significant portion of Blue's navy was "sunk" by an armada of small Red boats, which carried out both conventional and suicide attacks that capitalized on Blue's inability to detect them as well as expected.[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002

Your source is a pathetic and ignorant "liar" website which is famous for reporting false news a number of times.

 

[Project Dharma]

Gentle nudge to return to topic please ^^


Air Chief in Delhi.. Please let it be