No. it will be situation when NATO forces against Russians say few decades later. But if you talk of the next decade, we shall probably be talking how the plane with much potential F-35 came short against PAKFA, Going by what detail is available as of now. PAKFA vs F-35, its clearly F-35 which will end up losing in air to air battle, F-22 and PAKFA would be close affair with maybe the spoils going to PAKFA simply because it uses newer tech that is available now instead of the cutting edge tech that was available almost 2 decades ago.
Assumptions what else, US or NATO won't send F 35 for CAP or OCA operation, The primary Air superiority fighter in the US arsenal is F 15 till 2040 or over, Same goes to Baltic Nations, they operates F/A 18
F 35 too perform OCA missions, If they didn't able to lock the enemy on BVR, its a wise option to pull back, It better in future there is less or zero chance of war, because of such cutting edge technologies.
well okay, what you think the Russian fleet of PAK FA in 2030, some 120 or less, any idea its primary deployment locations,
Half near Japan, others near Baltic
NATO is a spent force with cracks already in it, NATO within few years will be mostly European countries minus USA.America does not want to spend its money to keep its troops in Europe, they want the Europeans to pay for it else to muster its own troops, which is understandable, but NATO was formed so that the Americans can hit the russians without being effected directly and Europe being a buffer zone.
well, then how you think that US will give up NATO
Technologically, F-22 the first 5th gen plane, the other western 5th gen plane is F-35 and the NATO countries except UK are just buyers. Further, the use of F-35 will be controlled entirely by the Americans, if they dont want, the plane cannot even take off. So if you buy this plane, its good and you have to cede to every American demand, just in case they kill the switch.
The Level 1 and 2 Partners can do modifications as per their requirements, even some other too can add their own missiles and developments in F 35, looks at Israel they do modifications and going to add stunner and few stand off missiles.
The scenario that you seem to be assuming is that Pakistan is entirely incompetent. There would be long range ground Radars tracking it, And there would be F-16 and JF-17 scrambled to intercept, Also maybe you do not seem to understand that PAF also has Eyerie. Maybe your assumptiion is that the moment Su-30 MKI takes in PAF territory they would simply ground all planes? By the way, It seems you assume far too much. So any plane that comes within PAF area will be tracked by multiple radars and the planes would be sent from different bases to try and intercept it, So the only advantage here that Su-30 MKI would have better detecion range and better speed, but when planes are coming from different directions, these advantages become smaller. Then both set of planes, end up being in range in which the Su-30 MKI radar advantage stops being an advantage.
Well, Yes the PAF do track our fighters very closely, and they sure send QRA F 16 for visual identification, they alert base and launch further jets to assist the friendly, meantime I sure MKI will complete the mission and come back to our base easily.
Well we have to careful about their SPADA and HQ 16 only
It is not like you say my friend, when Chinese plane is detected over India, the squadron closest will be sent to intercept, you would be very stupid to suggest that only MKI or Rafale be sent to intercept it. You expect the chinese planes to wait for lunch also?
Our bases near Chinese border has Su 30 MKI, four to six MKI are in QRF shelters, even new Rafale would be deployed in Hasimra, that's too close to China.
Hilarious reply, You really should take your head out, its far too deep that you dont even know whats going on around, let me break it up for you
Tejas was developed to replace the aging MiG-21 interceptor/fighter, but then IAF was bitten by Multi role bug, Anyway, Tejas was already being developed like an MRCA be able to conduct interception, strikes etc. Now few of the test pilots who are testing Tejas are experienced pilots who have used Mirage 2000 as well and thos Test pilots inform that Tejas is far superior even Mirage 2000. You are right, Tejas cannot be compared to French junk called Mirage 2000.
I took only one argument from above, Tejas was developed to replace MiG 21, well But the Tejas won't performed well as a successor of MiG 21, thats the reason it was rejected by day 1 by IAF,
I don't want to discuss more on that, since i was once fight and I don't want to repeat again.
Jaguar was developed when the concept was prevalent and the belief was there that air forces need specialised plane for different roles. Thus USAF had F-86, F-104 as fighters and F-105 was a strike plane. F-14 was mainly a fighter, and needed A-7 Crusader as Attack craft. Jaguar was developed when missiles were not that accurate or efficient. So to ensure that the target is destroyed, the plane has to fly close to the target and bomb it (to increase the chance of success) and for a plane to evade various radar systems, it was important for a plane to fly below these radars and evade them. When a plane is flying low, the glide bomb technically has no use. Glide bombs are useful when used from high flying planes to increase the range, if you drop a glide bomb from say 200 ft from ground, dont expect it to travel 10 kms.
again yes, for close air support role, you have to fly close and visually identify targets before engaging, well Jaguar is not a good CAS aircraft since low survivablity, indeed it's a strike/Bomber/ SEAD plane.
The known AAA and older gen MANPAD failed to shoot down those Jags in Afghan, and Iraq
Now with advent of better missiles A2G as well as SAMs, planes like Jaguar will find it very difficult to fly very low without risking being shot down.Or maybe you discounted MANPADS.
well nowadays it will fly only on safe airspace, or for stand off range SEAD and DEAD, well any idea why IAF asks AGM 88 to Jaguar, which later denied and given up desi NGARM.
FGFA is the need of the hour, AMCA is not going to be ready for the next 15 years and this is just prototype, And our neighbourhood already have 5th gen planes being developed and in LRIP. Only stupid people can have the benefit to assume that the enemy is incompetent. Fortunately, there are few like you.
Well agree with you, Chinese try their 5th gen on us, during war, well I think I did mentioned somewhere that we Should buy some 60 PAK FA, and say bye to FGFA
Older Sukhoi were Su-30 MK which were already upgraded to Su-30 MKI and then these planes would be upgraded to Super MKI, which would give them AESA and other modern avionics which are the need of the hour. And which makes it more capable than Rafale in most aspects.
Hopefully, read SHiv aroors report, he said IAF rafale comes F3R Standard, and option of upgarde to F4
.[/QUOTE]So, India would have to go for PAKFA/FGFA to ensure its position in subcontinent and to deter China or Pakistan taking us for Granted, and AMCA would be developed during this time.[/QUOTE]
60 PAK FA is enough, two on Chinese front, one on PAF front
