INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

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  1. WolfPack86

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    From Kalashnikov’s HQ in Moscow, @ShivAroor reports on the @MakeInIndia AK-203 that will shortly become the Indian Army’s primary assault rifle. Over 600,000 will be built at a facility in Amethi. Video includes a show-tell by Kalashnikov tech advisor Vladimir Okonoy.
     
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  2. This guy seems to me to be a foreign arms lobbyist !
     
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    OFB GHATAK & INSAS
     
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    Who is an arms lobbyist?

    30 character rule.......
     
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    I have a serious question to ask i.e why are Indians so obsessed with the DPSUs which regularly fleece the soldiers, play politics and are indirectly/directly responsible for countless deaths amongst serving personnel?
    Even with all the incompetence shown regarding INSAS the ofb was again handed over the manufacturing of the AKs with complete pomp and splendor by a sitting PM.
    A serious country which actually cares for its soldiers would have ended these organizations a long time ago.
    Yet all i see everywhere is Indians worshipping these incompetent organizations and calling serving soldiers import dalals and other things, people, who i should remind, are incapable of responding to such accusations?
     
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    Also the AKs will cost $1000, still more costly than an average US army issue M4 priced at $700.
    Prime example of OFB fleecing the army.
     
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    Mass production will make it ridiculously cheap!
     
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    Considering the INSAS saga, i highly doubt it.
     
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    No news of the SIG 716 G2s?============
     
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    This is a modernised AKM not INSAS. INSAS will now equip all cops with .303s and Sterlings.
     
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    Problem in India is, we start blaming just a segment of people rather then looking at the whole picture.

    In recent case of upcoming AK 203 plant, the IA has been handed over the job of overseeing the production. So now they would be responsible for any delay or below par production. Why this has not been done with other OFB plants till date? Who is responsible? Politicians know squat about armament production and same goes with the people working on the factory floor. But did we heard anything about IA fudging over or proposing even a liaison officer in OFB?

    The easy way out for us is to license built something. Easy for politicians, easy for OFBwalas and easy for IA too. Have a look at Israel. Virtually the whole armament industry over there is been setup by ex army people. They are designing weapons based on their experience of battle field. But in our case what do we see? In US its the Army, Air force or Navy who gets directly involved in weapon designing phase. The programe is been scrutinized and looked after by respective department of defence from nascent stage.

    Even look at out private industries. A JV for them is more profitable in small arms rather then spending in R&D. When Kalyani rolled out its first howitzer, the team who worked on it were novice in gun technology. Baba Kalyani could motivate the youngsters to try out their hands in big gun designing, but when it comes to small arm segment what has he done? He formed a JV with Baretta for small arm segment. Same goes with Punj Loyd. So whom to blame for this?

    OFB are no doubt a bunch over bloated babus whose main objective is a 8 hour shift job. But blaming them for all is not going to solve the issue. Have a look at the current scenario to understand the reason behind our failure in arm production.
     
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    OFB GHATAK Rifles ( Except 2nd & 5th from left are M1F41 )
     
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    INSAS with forearm grip.

     
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    Checking out the new AK 203 assault rifle that will soon be manufactured at Amethi. At the Kalashnikov HQ, Moscow.
     
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    Joint venture for AK 203 assault rifles factory at Amethi was the `fastest ever’ created with Russia.
     
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    New M5F41 with M6 UBGL
    Just an optic needed now
     
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    OFB Excalibur MK-1 Rifle
     
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    Wait for sniper rifles gets longer; MoD retracts the RFP issued last year
    Highly placed sources have confirmed to Financial Express Online that “the RFP for the sniper rifles and 10.2 million rounds of ammunition was retracted late June as the vendors were not keen to transfer technology for ammunition.”

    For the third time the request for Proposals (RFP) for the 5,719 8.6 mm sniper rifles for the Indian Army and the Indian Air Force have been retracted by the Service Headquarters. The procurement of these sniper rifles is part of the modernization plan of the service Headquarters and they have been placed on the Fast Track Procedure (FTP).

    Highly placed sources have confirmed to Financial Express Online that “the RFP for the sniper rifles and 10.2 million rounds of ammunition was retracted late June as the vendors were not keen to transfer technology for ammunition.”
    There were four bidders who had responded to the RFP issued in 2018 including Russian Rosoboronexport and US based Barrett and MSA Global. The RFP in September 2018 was the third time the Ministry of Defence issued RFP for the sniper rifles.

    “The RFP issued were in 2009-10 under the Fast Track Procedure had to be retracted because of the yardsticks adopted for the trials of two vendors who were down selected. This was followed by another RFP in 2012-13. This too was retracted by the service Headquarters due to some confusion in the formulation of the General Staff Qualitative Requirements (GSQRs),” explained a senior army officer.

    “The third time retraction is due to issues related to the supply and transfer of technology for .338 Lapua Magnum ammunition rounds. According to the RFP, the down selected vendor had to share Transfer of Technology for around five million rounds of ammunition. And, none of the vendors were keen to share their technology for such a small number,” the officer added and pointed out that the balance of five million was to be bought off the shelf.

    In 2018, approval was given by the Defence Acquisition Council headed by the then defense minister Nirmala Sitharaman at a cost of Rs 982 crore under the `Buy Global’ category. As has been reported by Financial Express Online earlier there was a specification that the ammunition will be bought off the shelf and will be later licensed produced in India under the Make in India initiative. The company which had bid for the sniper rifles were expected to transfer of technology to state-owned Ordnance Factory Board and private-sector manufacturers.

    These 8.6mm sniper rifles are required urgently by the Indian Army to deal with the increased threat of sniper attacks g to procure sniper rifles amid an increased threat of sniper attacks along the Line of Control, and also to ensure a tactical advantage over enemies at a distance. These have the capability of being operated in extreme terrains including high altitude, desert, and can be used in jungle warfare. While the troops are already equipped with sniper rifles along the border, the procurement of 5,719 is for the rest.

    In the interim, a small number of two new advanced sniper rifles — Barrett M95 .50 BMG and Beretta Scorpio TGT ‘Victrix’, with .338 Lapua Magnum cartridges had to be purchased on an urgent basis by the Northern Army Commander through his special financial powers.

    The Indian Army is keen to buy these sniper rifles from the global vendors to vendors to replace the existing Soviet-era Dragunov SVD rifles which are in use and were procured in the mid-1990s and uses 7.62×54-MMR cartridge. The Dragunov sniper rifle with a range of 800 meters is not equipped with modern magnification and sight systems as well as bipod systems. Also the ammunition for these is very expensive.

    Most of the sniping materials for the armed forces come from countries including Germany, the United States, and Russia.
    https://www.financialexpress.com/de...od-retracts-the-rfp-issued-last-year/1641735/

     

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