India's Vietnam

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  1. trackwhack

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    The Sri Lankans are dreaming about Hambantota. The max depth that can be achieved even through dredging is 20 - 21 m. The Vizhinjam port has a natural depth of 24 meters. The International shipping lane, is less than 10 km from the Vizhinjam port unlike Hambantota which is 20 km away. So Vizhinjam is a deeper and larger port, closer to the shipping lane. Where do you think the ships are going to dock?

    The Chinese know all this. The Chinese are building the port there for military docking and they will pay SL a small amount of money for that. SL wont have a choice as they need some money rather than nothing.

    This is the simple reason why India backed away from Hambantota when SL offered it to us. The issue is that our strategists overlooked the possibility of China misusing it for military purposes. That can be corrected however, if strategic situation so demands, by a single 3KT tipped Brahmos missile. :)
     
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    @trackwhack

    you contradict yourself

    India giving money for northern SL because of TN pressure....... or else name any other project India started in the Sinhala majority areas for free....

    1. Sinhala only act didn't kicked Tamils out of jobs rather many Tamil civil servants learnt Sinhalese...... also when Brits were in control neither Tamil nor Sinhalese was the official language why not Tamils objected about that? naturally Sinhalese have the right to call Sinhala the official language based upon the majority....... anyway no major Tamil politician even objected to Sinhala only act.

    "the Social Diasbilities Act No. 21 was passed in parliament in 1957 giving lower castes the right to attend schools & kovils. Its good for the western world to know that it was a Sinhalese who opened the doors for low caste Tamils to attend schools & kovils – places that were taboo to them by their own Tamil brethren. No sooner the Tamil high castes & high classes realized the dangers of mainstream parties courting the low castes they devised their response. It was to create the best division possible. A rift between the Tamils & Sinhalese which would strike better success than low caste-high caste divisions. Who remembers the satyagrahas, the tarring of Sinhala letters on vehicle registration numbers. All launched by the ITAC & Tamil Congress – both high caste/class political parties.

    It is important to note that all these happened a year after making Sinhala the official language. Why did the Tamils not cry foul over the Sinhala Only Act in 1956 but oppose the Social Disabilities Act on 1957 with such venom? It is because Tamils wanted to deprive their own."
    LankaWeb – Eelaam Homeland struggle was to hide Tamil Caste difference & unify discontented Tamils

    2. Where and when SL government banned Tamil literature give further details to this allegation...

    3. Government introduced university standardization in 1973 those that opposed were those who were against equitable distribution. Students of all ethnicities from Colombo, Jaffna, Kandy, Galle who had been privy to education opposed opportunities that would be enjoyed by students from Batticaloa, Vanni, Nuwara Eliya, Monaragala & other less developed districts. While the composition of the ethnicities did not change entrance, for Tamils it meant not only the Vellalar caste but lower caste Tamils too would gain university entrance. This was why Tamils opposed the 1973 standardization.

    if you aren't sure check Wikipedia Policy of standardization - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    4.Those Tamils that their citizenship was striped were Indians coolies brought to SL by Brits to work in tea states... however we kept half the number of them in SL.... and does Sinhalese majority fades away for million of Tamil collie votes? you should also remember that the politician who represents the Tamil collies in SL are always stayed with the central government and not with separatist parties like TNA.

    I'm not going to mention everyone but Muralitharan.... also from hill country (an Indian Tamil descended)

    what SL needs from GoI is that to stay resolute to TN demands.... we know that TN leaders and most of TN people take decision not from the brain but by the heart...... we need GoI to learn the truth and stay with SL in UNHR..... we want GoI to help in SL development without and hindrance form India.....

    here is the typical east-west trade route running through Indian ocean

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    now you can see which one is the closest to the trade routes.....
     
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  3. Tronic

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    In regards to what?

    You are claiming that Indian PM didn't act alone as RAW was involved, therefore India is the culprit.

    So what are you suggesting? That Premdasa is the sole culprit as it was he himself who drove a truck filled with concrete and Ak-47s and delivered them to the LTTE to use against Indian soldiers?

    What logic.


    India is developing the Tamil areas because they are the most underdeveloped part of your country and have been the epicenters of the civil war! If you still consider Tamils as part of your country, you should be happy that India is taking the initiative to develop those parts of your country! Secondly, India has been providing training to your soldiers and police, most of whom are Sinhalese. Also, dolling out business to Sri Lankan yards by handing out ship construction orders for Indian coast guard ships. Last I checked, Sri Lankan yards were handed over business to construct 80 fast interceptor crafts for the Indian navy.

    As for "TN pressure", learn a bit about who is sitting in power in Delhi before criticizing them blindly. The TN government has zero say in India's foriegn policy at the moment as they are not part of the ruling coalition. Hell, the TN government is not even part of the main opposition! You are just paranoid about TN, it has zero say in India's national policies at the moment.


    "Many" Tamil civil servants may have learnt Sinhalese, but the majority didn't and got kicked out of their jobs.

    And, even if, had every single Tamil learnt Sinhalese to keep their job, it is still discrimination.

    English was not a native language of either Sinhalese or Tamils so you both had equal chances; one group wasn't discriminating another, like the Sinhalese did to the Tamils.

    And my point exactly. With a mindset like that, how can you even dare to compare with India?


    Yes, they did. A compromise had to be reached, but it was just the start of the discrimination. Eventually, Sinhalese pushed the Tamils off the edge, which resulted in the civil war.

    The Tamils protested vehemently against the Sinhala Only Act. Eventually a compromise had to take place in 1958, where the SL government agreed to allow Tamils to use their language, but without according it an official status. That Tamils didn't protest the act is total hogwash. Tamil caste-ism may well have been there, and they may well have been discriminating the lower caste; but, the Sri Lankan government was no saviour. Infact, the percentage of Tamils studying in universities actually dropped after the Sri Lankan government's Policy of standardization! Sri Lankan government started a district-quota system (automatically reserving more seats for the Sinhalese) for admissions to universities and colleges. It was clearly a policy to sideline the more educated Tamils from competing with the less educated Sinhalese.

    If you have any doubts about Sri Lanka's racist character at the time; just read the Sri Lankan constitution written in 1972. It re-enforced Sinhalese as the one and only official language, got rid of article 29 of the Soulbury constitution (which ensured a democratic voice to minorities), and made Buddhism the country's prime religion.

    And all that, you're telling me, was to protect the low caste Tamils?? Get real.


    From your own wikipedia link:


    Those "coolies" were there even before Sri Lanka, or even India, gained independence. Most of them, if not all, were born in Sri Lanka. They were not citizens of the Indian Republic (even if India may have granted them with OCI status, it does not give them rights in India). Which means that when you took away their citizenship, you rendered them stateless.

    And no, you didn't "keep" half the number, rather, India was kind enough to take them despite them not being citizens of India. The other half, sadly, lived in Sri Lanka as stateless people, without any basic rights.

    You compare with India; lest I remind you that India is home to people ranging from Africans (Siddis) to Chinese (Indian Chinese) to Persians (Iranis) to the Arabic Jewish people (Baghdadi Jews). Thank god the Sinhalese do not comprise a majority group in my country, if the logic you follow is to revoke citizenship of every person whose origins are from elsewhere.


    I gave you a whole list of Indian Muslims, a minority which you compared to Sri Lankan Tamils, going on to become the Presidents of India; and you give me an example of a cricket player. Wonderful.


    Your fear of TN is nothing but a paranoia. As I have stated earlier, the AIADMK is not in a coalition with the ruling Congress party; they are not even in coalition with the main opposition, the BJP led coalition; so I am totally lost as to how on earth you think TN is calling the shots in New Delhi. That is just an absurd assertion, and borders paranoia.
     
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    India already did a lot and help sl with millions of dollars for reforms and This is because of India that there is no sanction on sl trade.

    But i think you are really opportunistic people.
    Just a moment before you said we saw what happened to mighty India in 62?
    And you will side with china as India can't beat them lol.

    I don't know whether we can or not but yes we can defend our nation.
    Even in 62 more chinese were killed its just that there was a bigger part that had no soldiers then and they occupied it easier but then in arunachal we defeated them.

    Anyway not your cup of tea.
    Bottom line is in case Sl continue to side with china as you said and if that naval base ever used by chinese navy then mark my words India have a really big arsenal of missiles will not take moment to launch against you.

    China will never dare to come in Indian ocean directly against Indian Navy.

    Another thing unlike your stupid mentality i meant all the subcontinent that itself meant Indians too.
    As far as Hindus are concerned in India Buddha dharma is branch of Hindu Dharma so we don't differentiate with respect to Dharma.

    Perhaps somewhere we must admit ethnic violence was somewhere instilled in us by British and poverty.
    Lets try to forget but SL must recognize the sacrifice that IPKF did to stabilize the condition.


    Also somewhere Gen harkirat singh was really incompetent to led such an operation and what happened to 17 tamil tigers that were arrested by him was the reason things becomes so violent.
    IT was obvious SL will never stick to their words so their was no question to let sl government have hem.
    Death of them gave LTTE a reason to go against us.

    Anyway that time IPKF didn't had a standard rifle.So i think must pray for those over 1200+ soldiers. RIP



    IPKF must be praised for what it did by running the democratic election.It was sl part of agreement where tamils had to given political rights.

    So IPKF did its part the problem was more political and you don't expect army to come into political matters(unless its pakistan)


    I think both nation should praise and give a thanks giving symbol to IPKF.
    Whatever may be its losses but it completed the task somehow.

    Another thing UN EU or USA did not conspired against sl but they told what is true.
    It is well known whats happening to tamils there and whatever they UN is doing is on humanitarian Ground.
    No one has personal revenge against Srilanka.
    Another thing China can not stand for you and neither it did.
    It was and it is India that your diplomats look up for.


    In end it will be really stupid to consider all srilankans like you.
    As far as china is concerned if we become like them then just like they bullied Taiwan Tibet Mongolia Japan korea myanmar

    we could have done the same and perhaps then you will love that even more ???????????




    In short it would be better for srilanka to have just trade relation with pak or china.
    Any kind of military support will be directly against us.


    So an Indian Strike against such elements will be in our interest by the same logic you had earlier.


    Another thing if being big brother of Sl we should support you and be concessional then in return we must have a say in bilateral ties as it will include Indian ocean.
    Though i don't think srilanka will do that again what it did in 1971 ????? what say
     
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  6. Rohan Sharma

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    Ask China what is the Criteria the'll tell you perhaps a bit better than us.

    (China in Taiwan myanmar Tibet mongolia korea vietnam phillipines:::::::::::::: Heinz want a criteria:taunt::taunt: )


    We don't need to give you any...................:wave::wave:
     
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    IPKF in Sri Lanka

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    Re: PVN Rao's 91st Birth Anniversary today

    Has any Gandhi been acquitted in the scams, can you please throw in some light? So by your logic Congress is the Most corruption free party around:lawl:

    Funny enough, he inherited the PM post from his mother too:rolleyes:

    It would have been a greater disaster had he not pulled out. both the SLG and LTTE was hostile to IPKF
     
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    Re: PVN Rao's 91st Birth Anniversary today

    Are you blind mate? :p Point out where I said that Congress is clean as a whistle. I too know what Congress is and no, I am not a Congress sympathizer either. Has Delhi high court found him guilty yet or are you a bigger authority than the Delhi High court?

    So he is guilty of what exactly?

    Seriously, I never knew that LTTE was against IPKF. When did that happened?

    As for SL Army, All I can tell you that Indian officers didn't even liked to have breakfast with their officers let alone fighting by their side. Indian army had time and and again gave middle finger to SL Army.

    Had the IPKF stayed, no genocide would have had happened.
     
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    I think your logic failed you here. I asked you in which court have the Congress leaders aka the Gandhis have been acquitted? So by that logic Sonia Gandhi is cleaner than any any other leader in India:rolleyes:

    Guilty of spreading communal hatred????

    Also heard of Shao bano case and the subsequent appeasement of Hindus by opening up of the Ayodhya issue?

    Why do you think LTTE killed him? For helping them out?:rolleyes:

    Seriously though, as Indians we conveniently "forget" killings done by IPKF on SL Tamils-Fact
     
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    For all the cases registered against Gandhis are still in court.

    Now you tell are you a bigger authority than Delhi high court? :laugh:

    Proof?

    Appeasement of Muslims have been going on from day one. Not exactly a crime by Indian Penal Code.


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    Why do you think that happened? Is our army full of mad men and lunatics?

    "We Indians " are supposed to care only about ourselves. Sri Lankan Tamils are SRI LANKANS not Indians.

    As for you mate, you chose to ignore a man who served in the Army and just told you that SL intervention was not a military disaster. So I don't what or who will convince you to believe otherwise.
     
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    So you are saying all gandhis are innocent as there is no acquittal . What a logic :rotflmao:

    Gandhis sure are the least corrupt leaders of India as there is no corruption acquittal against them by Mr.Blueblood's logic-:truestory:

    And you just did a big flip flop:frusty:. Atleast be consistent in what you say. Appeasement is communalisation of Politics

    Apparently, you have a very good sense of catching sarcasm:pound:

    I think your logic meter is doing somersaults. I stated the truth, which you will not open your eyes and read let alone believe.. I dint support what they did. Get that into your brain.

    Answer my question, if you think the Army there was against SLA and pro LTTE then why was Rajiv Gandhi killed by LTTE, surely they are not morons, actually they are morons, for wagging their tail in Indian territory, committing a strategic blunder, but thats for another day, but its not because Rajiv Gandhi was "Helping" them. I dont think they would have wanted to kill their helping hand, do you?:confused:

    And also, stop bloating about the creation of Bangladesh as a Humanitarian shit anyway. Indians are as Hypocritic if not more as the west
     
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    Never said nor implied. Now answer the damn question. Are you a bigger authority than the courts?:rofl: If no, then stop passing judgement.

    Is that a crime by IPC? :p

    Actually I have but apparently you don't.:laugh:

    My logic meter is fine buddy. But you just accused "INDIAN ARMY" of being mass murderers and war criminals. You also ignored the only person on this forum who was there in uniform. Good going.:thumb: We are proud of you.
     
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    Answer my question first. You made an absolutely ridiculous statement that Rajiv Gandhi is corruption free:lawl:

    And you also gave the reason/logic for that. I ridiculed that logic with a counter. answer my counter question Logically, straight without deflecting, since no court has acquitted the Gandhis so far, are they the least corrupt leaders of this nation? IF you cant answer stop wasting my time.

    No, but your points become less valid as you post more of these flip flops

    So you agree with what I wrote in that point? Then good:dance:

    You dont have to be proud of any thing really. I have great opinion on you the moment you claimed Rajiv Gandhi was corruption free and doing flip flops to prove your point.

    And I think you have comprehension difficulties. I said, IPKF killed Tamils there too. It was against your claim that IPKF was helping Tamils there.

    And I also said both SLA and LTTE hated IPKF. Ask Ray sir yourself if it was true or false?

    I also gave a logic for that, which you wont comprehend it seems

    And I see that you ignored my point and deflected it in the quote of mine and made some adsurb stupid statements instead:laugh:
     
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    How the hell would I know? I am just a common citizen who believe things the courts say. But not you sir, you are the judge, jury and executioner all by yourself. :taunt:

    Lol. Answer the question mate if you dare. Is appeasement a punishable offence by IPC?


    Are you freaking retarded? :pound:

    Indian Army was there to eliminate the LTTE, even a kid knows that. I personally know few officers and men who were their in SL. As for asking Brig Ray I asked him to share some information and he did. But you conveniently ignored his post.

    Your quote not mine. You accused the army not me. Go to sleep mate or else you'll be late for your school.
     
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    :lol: So you avoided the question, which means you agree with me. There is a reason congress is winning the elections. I can see why. Retards with no capacity for logic what so ever:tsk:

    You did a big flip flop on communal politics by Rajiv gandhi and now talking bull shit:pound:

    What a Moron. The Army was sent to end civil war , not fight LTTE. Here, edcuate yourself kiddo:frusty:---rediff.com: The IPKF in Sri Lanka, 10 years on

    Later the fight got between LTTE and IPKF and IPKF was forced to retreat.

    Also, the Tamil parties would never have agreed for sending the IPKF in the first place if they were to be sent for fighting LTTE. Anyone with basic ounce of Political knowledge would no that:frusty:

    Army is not blameless moron. Thats what I said. Understand what others are saying.

    What a freaking retard:frusty:

    I should have stopped "debating" with you when you said Rajiv Gandhi is corruption free

    The blame is on me for engaging in discussions with such retards:frusty:

    Edit: One more for your puny brain kiddo,. Educate yourself. You can check for citations below for knowing about the authencity of ithttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valvettiturai_massacre
     
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    Re: PVN Rao's 91st Birth Anniversary today

    So you still don't have the balls to answer the simple question. Are you a bigger authority than the court? A simple yes or no will suffice.
    Who the hell are you to pass judgement when the case is still on? Maybe

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    Who gives a ---- what Tamil parties wanted or not? The Army is INDIAN not Tamil. They take their orders from Government of India not the Government of Tamil Nadu.

    Learn to read moron.

    "According to the Financial Times report, the Indians believe that the incident resulted from a deliberate provocation by the LTTE intended to trigger an overwhelming Indian response "

    IPKF retaliated and the civilians were caught between the crossfire. Despite the loss of innocent lives which is very sad ofcourse I would't call Indian Army ( not the Tamil army) mass murderers.

    Go to bed son and don't wet your bed today [​IMG]

    There is a reason why I told Karthik that it is pointless to discuss Sri Lanka with a Tamil as there are regional sensitives involved.
     
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    Dont start crying like a girl. Admit like a man that you got owned by your lack of Logic:taunt1:

    Anyway, I should not have even debated with a Moron who thinks Rajiv Gandhi is innocent. My fault for arguing with retards like you:frusty:

    What a Freaking moron, without Tamil parties support, the GoI cant have sent the IA there got it? Which world are you living in?:frusty:

    Without the Tamil MPs support, the sending of IPKF would never have been possible. Even a retard like yourself can understand that, I am not sure why you cant:noidea:

    Why did it do it moron? It was because both LTTE and SLA hated the IPKF presence.

    Here look at your own quote, for you to read and my reply for it:taunt::

    :pound: Why got tired of ----ing yourself here with your retarded logic?:rotflmao:

    Dont masturbate too much son, it will retard your brain further

    Look piece of shit, you said, this in your own post, read what what you have written yourself
     
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    Oh god , I have been "debating" with a Mr. Logicopenia who forgets what he wrote every second post:frusty:

    Anyway son lets look at our debate and your logic in it shat we?

    Rajiv gandhi is innocent because no court has convicted him- Mr. Logic

    By that logic no Gandhi is corrupt as no court have convicted them- Le Me

    Then the retard avoids the question to bounce it at me asking whether I know more than high Court.

    My response now for that is, I atleast have a working logic meter , and Bofors is not the only thing which had corruption tinges, as it was not even logically possible:rolleyes:

    Then he claims Rajiv was not communalising politics in his reply to Karthic- Mr. Logic

    Then what about Shao Bano case and Ayodhya episode?- Le Me

    He does a flip flop to say all leaders are communal and no need to blame Rajiv- Mr. Logic

    My response now, WTF? Sudden change of stance in two posts, without even acknowledging that he is wrong:wtf:

    He says IPKF is not a disaster- Mr. Logic

    It was a disaster as both LTTE and SLA hated IPKF and wanted it out-Le Me

    LTTE was not against IPKF- Epic logic fail by Mr. Logic

    Then why do you think it killed Rajiv? Le Me

    Genocide could have been avoided had the IPKF stayed there- Mr. Logic

    IPKF was hated by both LTTE and SLA and it itself was involved in killing of Tamil civilians in SL, which George Fernandes himself accepted as India's fault. Hence it would have been a greater disaster had it stayed on- Le Me

    Then he goes apeshit on the Patriotism- on why the Army is blameless:frusty:

    Seriously though?:wtf: Who am I arguing with so far?:tsk::tsk:
     
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