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You should look into his initial post carefully... he mentioned
INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier
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Indian Aircraft Carrier Passes Engine Tests in Russian Sea Trials
A Russian-built aircraft carrier due to be delivered to the Indian Navy following a much-delayed refit has successfully passed engine tests during the first stage of final sea trials in the White Sea, shipbuilder Sevmash said Tuesday.
The current trials focused on the ship's propulsion system and its ability to perform as required.
The carrier, named Vikramaditya, "showed excellent performance while being tested at various speeds," a Sevmash spokesman said. "On Sunday, the ship attained a maximum speed of 29.2 knots."
The Vikramaditya, which is already years past its original 2008 delivery date, was supposed to have been handed over to India on December 4, 2012, but initial sea trials in September revealed that the ship's boilers were not fully functional.
The source of the problem, which reduced the ship's maximum speed, was due to use of low-grade Chinese-made firebricks in the boiler insulation instead of asbestos, Russian shipbuilders said.
The boiler problems were fixed by Russian shipbuilders in February, Sevmash reported previously.
The Vikramaditya will now sail to the Barents Sea, where the ship will undertake working-up procedures including aircraft deck operations. Several MiG-29K fighters and two helicopters will be used in the flight trials.
A report on the results of the final trials must be given to the Indians on October 15, the Sevmash official said.
The Vikramaditya was originally built as the Soviet Project 1143.4 class aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. In its original incarnation, the Gorshkov also had a history of boiler problems and suffered a boiler explosion in 1994.
The refit of the ship has lurched from one crisis to another since India and Russia signed a $947 million deal in 2005 for its purchase and refit. Delivery has already been delayed three times, pushing up the cost of refurbishing the vessel to $2.3 billion, causing acrimony between Moscow and New Delhi.
A Russian-built aircraft carrier due to be delivered to the Indian Navy following a much-delayed refit has successfully passed engine tests during the first stage of final sea trials in the White Sea, shipbuilder Sevmash said Tuesday.
The current trials focused on the ship's propulsion system and its ability to perform as required.
The carrier, named Vikramaditya, "showed excellent performance while being tested at various speeds," a Sevmash spokesman said. "On Sunday, the ship attained a maximum speed of 29.2 knots."
The Vikramaditya, which is already years past its original 2008 delivery date, was supposed to have been handed over to India on December 4, 2012, but initial sea trials in September revealed that the ship's boilers were not fully functional.
The source of the problem, which reduced the ship's maximum speed, was due to use of low-grade Chinese-made firebricks in the boiler insulation instead of asbestos, Russian shipbuilders said.
The boiler problems were fixed by Russian shipbuilders in February, Sevmash reported previously.
The Vikramaditya will now sail to the Barents Sea, where the ship will undertake working-up procedures including aircraft deck operations. Several MiG-29K fighters and two helicopters will be used in the flight trials.
A report on the results of the final trials must be given to the Indians on October 15, the Sevmash official said.
The Vikramaditya was originally built as the Soviet Project 1143.4 class aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov. In its original incarnation, the Gorshkov also had a history of boiler problems and suffered a boiler explosion in 1994.
The refit of the ship has lurched from one crisis to another since India and Russia signed a $947 million deal in 2005 for its purchase and refit. Delivery has already been delayed three times, pushing up the cost of refurbishing the vessel to $2.3 billion, causing acrimony between Moscow and New Delhi.
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There was never a prelude to anything my dear sir. The first official interaction of Indian Navy with USN was in 1992. Indian Navy does not represent a Banana Republic, they cannot do exercises without a mandate. In the year 1990( the date he had mentioned), India was on a blacklist because of Sri Lanka and Afghan War stand. Also, Sea time by Naval aviators (unless heli pilot) is made up in Aircraft carrier, of which India had 2 at the time in sea. His story doesnt float.
India and USN agreed to Military to Military interaction in January 1992. How can the military interact before that? Worse, he says it is for Replenishment exercises. If you people knew the paperwork required and framework needed for such an action, you would buy this bullshit. What has happened to this forum?
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There was a speculation about discussion being on for 3rd batch of Talwar frigate but no constructive update has emerged.
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SON, in 1990 itself we had been providing refueling to not just USN ships but even their military planes. We helped US forces covertly during first Gulf war by providing refueling to them and also nearly all the freash rations for them were sent from India.
India in an Uproar Over Refueling of U.S. Aircraft - NYTimes.com
Since you seem to know history so well, pls tell me how many days did Vikrant sail after 1989 till it got decommissioned sometime in 1997? Lastly you are blatantly wrong regarding seatime of aviators being on carriers only.
We do our sea time on any ship of the Navy. there is no such condition as pointed out by you.
Eat your words you idiot. when you were probably not even in liquid form, I was wearing a uniform.
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@Decklander, Is a naval fighter pilot and served on board Indian Navy flag ship INS Viraat ..
There's a wealth of knowledge and experience tap on this forum via defense professionals, Ask lots of questions.
There's a wealth of knowledge and experience tap on this forum via defense professionals, Ask lots of questions.
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Sorry Grandpa,
The people here knows who I am very well, and what I do extremely well. Let me put it to you lightly, you dont hold a candle. Unlike you my story floats and sticks.
You are wrong, that is a military plane on a International Commercial Civilian Airport, very different to military to military interaction, that to a naval exercise. If it is a classified exercise, then you should shut the hell up. There was no military to military interactions with India in 1990, we were in deep shit with regards to Sri lanka and the ending of Afghan war. 1991 and 1992 are other matters, the date you mentioned was 1990. Also, since you were in Viraat why do you care about Vikrant's up time? lol.
I have heard that you were a Intelligence officer, EW officer, Naval Aviator, Operations officer...WOw..You might be the worlds only multi talented naval man. I wonder if only one person is need to run the ship you are on, since you do everything.
What is your criteria for "official" interaction?
Almost 24 years ago, two Indian naval officers were quietly sent off to the United States to attend a training course that few really knew much about. These two officers, Lt. Arvind Singh and Lt Shamsher Singh Deopa, were young naval officers who had never done anything like the course they were about to attend.
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Dear Mr. Historian, you stated two carriers being operational in 1990s. So I asked that question. Now pls tell me when did first batch of MARCOS get trained and where and by whom? You will have to eat your words. during end 1990, a lot of warships from Australia and Newzealand plus US transitted BOB and what we undertook was just a transit exercise which we call station keeping manouevers. The support provided by IN by refueling USN ac in Goa started the Malabar series in 1992.
Regarding the positions I held, you must remember that Operations Room Officer on any naval ship is generally the EWO. It is your Action Station and not a designation as such. EWO is a designation. You have to undergo training to be an IO and every branch of IN has its own specialist IOs who keep eyes on IN officers and sailors. It is different from NP.
The fact you do not understand the difference shows your level of stupidity. Calling an EWO & ORO different persons is like calling a single seat fighter pilot as also being the Pilot in command of the fighter aircraft.
BTW, do you have any idea as to what an ORO does in a ship? And who sits directly above him in that dark room besides the horde of specialist sensos who provide complete war picture.
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Having a transit exercise is one thing, expending fuel and consumbles to a foreign flagged ship without official declaration is another. NOW you say that fueling only started in 1992 in GOA, which goes against your earlier assertion that you replenished the US ship.
Why are you bothered Vikrant, when you were on the Viraat, a relatively new ship at the time, with enough sea time.
Why are you bothered Vikrant, when you were on the Viraat, a relatively new ship at the time, with enough sea time.
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Read the same article , and this is pre -IPKF. If you know about the paper work required by both navy's and MoU's needed for Transfer of property, then you will know, how what he is saying improbable Americans cant even get the LSA done on a fuel for fuel basis. And here you are talking about fuel transference without a mandate in 1990 when India was in the dumps because of IPKF.
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http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...shrat-jahan-encounter-case-41.html#post766541
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...shrat-jahan-encounter-case-37.html#post762065
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...llers-missile-vessel-squadron.html#post717386
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...shrat-jahan-encounter-case-36.html#post761686
http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/...shrat-jahan-encounter-case-37.html#post762065
The guy first claimed that he was on maoever exercise and replenishment exercise, and then confronted he said that he was on a tranist exercise. He himself commits the mistake of admitting that the first replinshment exercises started off the side of goa in 1992, but he already said that he did the same in 1990 in the earlier post. IPKF was happening in 1990 and the USA wasnt the really pleased with us, there is no record of such an event with even the USA nor with the IN, and even he changes his earlier assertions. The amount of paper work required to replinish a ship of a foreign country in itself is crazy.
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INS Vikramaditya, already 5 years late, to wait 3 years more for anti-missile defence system | idrw.org
The aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, formerly the Admiral Gorshkov, which is expected to join the Indian Navy later this year, is already late by 5 years and its price has risen three-fold from $947 million in 2004 to $2.3 billion today. It now emerges that for the next 3 years or so, INS Vikramaditya will function without effective defences against anti-ship missiles — a key threat to warships today.
For this the Russians are not to blame — the Israelis are. The futuristic missile defence system that was supposed to be fitted on the Vikramaditya, called the Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM), is also late by at least 3 years. The LR-SAM is a missile, fired from a warship to shoot down an incoming anti-ship missiles at ranges out to 70 kilometres. Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) is developing the LR-SAM in partnership with the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO).
On Thursday, Vice Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral RK Dhowan, said in New Delhi that the Vikramaditya would arrive without a 'close in weapons system' (CIWS, pronounced sea-whiz), a ship-borne system to destroy incoming missiles and aircraft. The navy will fit an AK-630 rapid-fire gun system on the Vikramaditya when it arrives, but the more potent LR-SAM will only be fitted during the aircraft carrier's first refit. That would be at least three years down the line.
Given these continuing delays, the navy's ageing INS Virat — already half a century old — will continue in service till 2018. The INS Vikrant, the aircraft carrier that is being built in Cochin Shipyard Ltd, is being launched on Aug 12, but will only enter operational service by end-2018, says Dhowan.
The LR-SAM was to be ready by 2011 for equipping three Indian destroyers that Mazagon Dock Ltd is building in Mumbai under the so-called Project 15A. The LR-SAM delay has held up Project 15A, with INS Kolkata, the first warship in this series, having floating in the docks for the last seven years. INS Chennai and INS Kochi, the other two destroyers in Project 15A are delayed too.
But there is light at the end of this tunnel. Business Standard has learnt that a DRDO team is heading for Israel for the first 'hot test' of the LR-SAM this month. This will check out all the missile systems — detection, propulsion, guidance, command and control — functioning in tandem. While the radar, control and navigation systems were tested last year, this will be the first test of the entire system functioning together.
Says DRDO chief, Dr Avinash Chander, 'The crucial part of the test will be the missile's ability to perform manoeuvres. After this full-configuration test, we will carry out trials next year from a ship.'
'There are always uncertainties when one is developing a system of a technology class that exists nowhere in the world.'
In exclusive briefings at the DRDO's missile cluster in Hyderabad, Business Standard was told that the Israeli company is developing the front section of the LR-SAM, including the seeker head that guides the missile, the front controller, command electronics, and the explosive warhead that destroys the target.
The DRDO has developed the rear section, including the two-pulse rocket motor, the rear controller, the thrust vector control and the folded fins. DRDO scientists and designers have also participated in the Israeli part of the development.
The LR-SAM is made especially deadly by its two-pulse rocket motor. The first pulse propels the missile towards the incoming target; while a ship-borne radar tracks the enemy missile continuously, transmitting course corrections to the LR-SAM. When the LR-SAM is near the target, its seeker locks onto the target, taking on the job of guidance. Simultaneously, the rocket motor fires its second pulse, imparting to the LR-SAM a high velocity that leaves the target with little time to manoeuvre. The LR-SAM has both front and rear steering, which allows it to manoeuvre sharply, remaining locked onto even a twisting and turning target.
Once tested and proven, many LR-SAM components will be built in India. The DRDO says it has developed suppliers within Indian industry, with two vendors developed for each sub-system. For example, Godrej and SEC, a company in Hyderabad, will build the two-pulse rocket motor.
A ground-based version of the LR-SAM is simultaneously being developed for the Indian Air Force (IAF), which is desperately short of air defence systems.
The aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya, formerly the Admiral Gorshkov, which is expected to join the Indian Navy later this year, is already late by 5 years and its price has risen three-fold from $947 million in 2004 to $2.3 billion today. It now emerges that for the next 3 years or so, INS Vikramaditya will function without effective defences against anti-ship missiles — a key threat to warships today.
For this the Russians are not to blame — the Israelis are. The futuristic missile defence system that was supposed to be fitted on the Vikramaditya, called the Long Range Surface to Air Missile (LR-SAM), is also late by at least 3 years. The LR-SAM is a missile, fired from a warship to shoot down an incoming anti-ship missiles at ranges out to 70 kilometres. Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) is developing the LR-SAM in partnership with the Defence R&D Organisation (DRDO).
On Thursday, Vice Chief of Naval Staff, Admiral RK Dhowan, said in New Delhi that the Vikramaditya would arrive without a 'close in weapons system' (CIWS, pronounced sea-whiz), a ship-borne system to destroy incoming missiles and aircraft. The navy will fit an AK-630 rapid-fire gun system on the Vikramaditya when it arrives, but the more potent LR-SAM will only be fitted during the aircraft carrier's first refit. That would be at least three years down the line.
Given these continuing delays, the navy's ageing INS Virat — already half a century old — will continue in service till 2018. The INS Vikrant, the aircraft carrier that is being built in Cochin Shipyard Ltd, is being launched on Aug 12, but will only enter operational service by end-2018, says Dhowan.
The LR-SAM was to be ready by 2011 for equipping three Indian destroyers that Mazagon Dock Ltd is building in Mumbai under the so-called Project 15A. The LR-SAM delay has held up Project 15A, with INS Kolkata, the first warship in this series, having floating in the docks for the last seven years. INS Chennai and INS Kochi, the other two destroyers in Project 15A are delayed too.
But there is light at the end of this tunnel. Business Standard has learnt that a DRDO team is heading for Israel for the first 'hot test' of the LR-SAM this month. This will check out all the missile systems — detection, propulsion, guidance, command and control — functioning in tandem. While the radar, control and navigation systems were tested last year, this will be the first test of the entire system functioning together.
Says DRDO chief, Dr Avinash Chander, 'The crucial part of the test will be the missile's ability to perform manoeuvres. After this full-configuration test, we will carry out trials next year from a ship.'
'There are always uncertainties when one is developing a system of a technology class that exists nowhere in the world.'
In exclusive briefings at the DRDO's missile cluster in Hyderabad, Business Standard was told that the Israeli company is developing the front section of the LR-SAM, including the seeker head that guides the missile, the front controller, command electronics, and the explosive warhead that destroys the target.
The DRDO has developed the rear section, including the two-pulse rocket motor, the rear controller, the thrust vector control and the folded fins. DRDO scientists and designers have also participated in the Israeli part of the development.
The LR-SAM is made especially deadly by its two-pulse rocket motor. The first pulse propels the missile towards the incoming target; while a ship-borne radar tracks the enemy missile continuously, transmitting course corrections to the LR-SAM. When the LR-SAM is near the target, its seeker locks onto the target, taking on the job of guidance. Simultaneously, the rocket motor fires its second pulse, imparting to the LR-SAM a high velocity that leaves the target with little time to manoeuvre. The LR-SAM has both front and rear steering, which allows it to manoeuvre sharply, remaining locked onto even a twisting and turning target.
Once tested and proven, many LR-SAM components will be built in India. The DRDO says it has developed suppliers within Indian industry, with two vendors developed for each sub-system. For example, Godrej and SEC, a company in Hyderabad, will build the two-pulse rocket motor.
A ground-based version of the LR-SAM is simultaneously being developed for the Indian Air Force (IAF), which is desperately short of air defence systems.
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But how is this possible that Barak-8 is yet to be tested when this report says that it is already getting mated with Israeli warships?
Israeli navy equipping warships with Indo-Israeli Barak-8 missile system: report | idrw.org
Israeli navy equipping warships with Indo-Israeli Barak-8 missile system: report | idrw.org
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It's Clear I read somewhere ..Vikky don't come with the Barak' 8
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IDRW hardly ever writes its own article. They collect news from different publications. Click on the link, you will see the sounce of the article. In this case, SOURCE: Ajai Shukla | Business-standard.comIt's Clear I read somewhere ..Vikky don't come with the Barak' 8
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