Who is best in mountain warfare? India or China?

[agentperry]

UAV's in the Himalayan terrain don't know

yes... high rate of accidents on our side of himalayas so its better to risk silent UAV than costly mki or anyother plane

 

[Iamanidiot]

Sir another thing once TAR is lost

1)The domino effect will also hit Inner Mongolia and Xianjiang
2)The Chinese citizens will question the legitimacy of the CCP rule itself.It will turn into a battle for Survival

Sir,The CCP cannot afford start a war for the above reasons.If it starts a war it has to put all its effort to win the war because of the above reasons.

It also cannot do anymore Vietnam type adventures

 

[p2prada]

Check out Op Market Garden. It was an easier battle than what the Chinese will face.

There is always a plus point when we have a mil pro guiding us. BTW sir what if the 15th links up with say, the Pak Army in PoK and start an offensive in J&K. That was my actual point. They don't need the kind of logistics required for an operation along the Chinese border. I am sure the Pakistanis will be good hosts to PLA.

I do not believe that PLA can put in a Million strong army in the TAR within a month. However, theoretically they can put in 50,000 men within a month and maybe commit 150,000 in 3-4 months of campaign. Against that IA will need at least 50-60 thousand to hold (A whole corps). But if there is a war going on in Arunachal, then PLA will have to choose between the two fronts - it does not have unlimited forces in TAR/ Yunan. So, you would expect them to send in a division to bolster the division in TAR. IA will need at least a division to counter this.

Hi, I was being rhetorical about the million part. The PLA can position tanks and artillery in the TAR. Our little battalion cannot survive that long. You are talking about a position a hundred Km or more away from the border. How long do you think the supply lines will last?

 

[ace009]

One thing I learnt in the discussion

1)Our Infra at the Sino-China border is pathetic

2)We need more artillery

Good - the other way to learn it is open google maps and look at the North eastern India - check how few highways are there, how few rail-lines, airports and planned townships.
Starting from Bihar, West Bengal, Orissa all the way to Meghalaya, Manipur, Assam, Arunachal, (and Nagaland, Tripura, Mizoram, Sikkim too) development has been meager compared to rest of India - but the North-east has been the least well-developed. All that GoI has done is create a NEW class in the North east by pushing money into state-funded development "grants", without accountability and propwhich were stolen by local officials and politicians. this has enraged the local people and created all kinds of separatist movements. The IA was also too busy planning for Pakistan in the west to care about the North east.
Now that IA and MoD has realized that the Dragon in the North and North-east is more dangerous than the green snake (Pakistan) in the west, we hear all this talk about lack of infra.

 

[Ray]

There is always a plus point when we have a mil pro guiding us. BTW sir what if the 15th links up with say, the Pak Army in PoK and start an offensive in J&K. That was my actual point. They don't need the kind of logistics required for an operation along the Chinese border. I am sure the Pakistanis will be good hosts to PLA.

AB forces are strategic assets.

Using AB like normal forces, by repositioning them, would be a waste.

 

[Ray]

Now that IA and MoD has realized that the Dragon in the North and North-east is more dangerous than the green snake (Pakistan) in the west, we hear all this talk about lack of infra.

Not in reality though.

Must have heard it when George Fernandez said that China was Enemy No 1 and there was chaos!

Obviously, as a Defence Minister he must have heard briefings.

 

[Iamanidiot]

AB forces are strategic assets.

Using AB like normal forces, by repositioning them, would be a waste.

In WZC campaign isn't the 15thAB division not supposed to survive.They bay use it as a recce force which holds down the enemy before the main body arrives

 

[Yusuf]

The reason why china will not fight India is that as a pretend super power it will not fill it knows it can beat us really bad. Even a 62 type is not good enough as that war ended when they could not hold supplies. Idiot is right about CPC having to face the people as a loser and importantly as a pretend super power it's image and prestige will get battered. For India, a status quo is a victory while the same is not true for China. That's why it has upped the ante by using its proxy pakis to do its bidding. In my estimate china will not fight India until it really really really has to.

 

[Iamanidiot]

In the mean time they will fight us to the last .The last time we came close to war was in 1987 and N.D sexfreak Tiwari was sent to Beijing to talk that was a different China in the Deng era.

Yusuf China is internally rather fragile and delicate

 

[p2prada]

AB forces are strategic assets.

Using AB like normal forces, by repositioning them, would be a waste.

Sir, a point to note. We have Vladimir79 on the forum and he was in the VDV, I guess. He said something on the same lines as what the 15th may possibly try to accomplish. The VDV is not expected to survive according to him. He says the airborne troops are expendable no matter the cost. There is no saying the Chinese may have the same expectations from the 15th.

 

[ace009]

What is the doctrine for Indian Para battalions? Is it similar?

 

[LTE-TDD]

Hi, guy, wake up a little bit, Chinese army is build up to target to US and USSR. India army is only a 'sideway' consideration. For chinese army, no one really treat India army seriously, just a piece if cake, that all. Talk to war with China after you become at least as strong as USA. Your army can only talk to Pakisan.

 

[p2prada]

Hi, guy, wake up a little bit, Chinese army is build up to target to US and USSR. India army is only a 'sideway' consideration. For chinese army, no one really treat India army seriously, just a piece if cake, that all. Talk to war with China after you become at least as strong as USA. Your army can only talk to Pakisan.

Troll alert. At least I hope you know what LTE is.

 

[Iamanidiot]

guys the 50 cent hq is alarmed at this discussion.Stay focussed on the discussion and use your grey matter.We do not get to do discurr like tír everyday

 

[Yusuf]

Hi, guy, wake up a little bit, Chinese army is build up to target to US and USSR. India army is only a 'sideway' consideration. For chinese army, no one really treat India army seriously, just a piece if cake, that all. Talk to war with China after you become at least as strong as USA. Your army can only talk to Pakisan.

We are quite tired of "talking" with Pak after whipping them so many times. The only one time we fought a full war, you were lucky that our powers to be we're quite over confident and careless. That China has not done anything since is proof enough you guys are yellow and are using proxies.

 

[Dovah]

Hi, guy, wake up a little bit, Chinese army is build up to target to US and USSR. India army is only a 'sideway' consideration. For chinese army, no one really treat India army seriously, just a piece if cake, that all. Talk to war with China after you become at least as strong as USA. Your army can only talk to Pakisan.

Looks like you woke up a couple of decades too late.

 

[Ray]

Hi, guy, wake up a little bit, Chinese army is build up to target to US and USSR. India army is only a 'sideway' consideration. For chinese army, no one really treat India army seriously, just a piece if cake, that all. Talk to war with China after you become at least as strong as USA. Your army can only talk to Pakisan.

How droll!

 

[Tshering22]

So it will be easy for PRC to invade from Arunachal than from Himachal? Conversely, it will be the same for India as well?

Arunachal is not the same it was when it was called NEFA bhai. Trust me, it is a fortress for invasion and any PLA division that attempts a front there would be simply entering the demolition zone. OTOH, we need stronger defense in Sikkim. At least 2 air force bases in north Sikkim as well as minimally 1 mountain division of infantry forces comprised of people from here. Our people are familiar with the state's terrain like the back of our hand. Since we have more RBCs in us (due to higher altitude), our people recover faster and have better endurance than those used to living in plains. We don't need much training on physical strain since our terrain makes as much workout of our lives on a daily basis and most are physically fighting fit as such. The local youth need special mountain warfare training skills, sharpshooting skills and of course, a strong transportation infrastructure so that forward areas can be reached fast. For example, north Sikkim is very hostile terrain naturally. While Tibet's plateau surface might give PLA trains some ease from their side, it stops right at Himalayas. The border makes fighter jets and many helicopters (except Dhruvs now) useless.

Why do you think CCP are needling in Ladakh? Because Arunachal is only going to invite their doom if they set their eyes on it.

I think we should press the west to stop drawing J&K as 'disputed areas' on map. Either they do that or they can trade with Pakistanis. I think that ought to make them re-think.

 

[Yusuf]

The 15th can today at best airlift 11,000 troops plus some light arty. This it has to under qbat will be Indian air superiority using MKIs and also advanced SAMs being inducted and deployed on the Chinese front. 15th may well be an expendable force for the chinese and India will oblige them.

 

[ALBY]

Hi, guy, wake up a little bit, Chinese army is build up to target to US and USSR. India army is only a 'sideway' consideration. For chinese army, no one really treat India army seriously, just a piece if cake, that all. Talk to war with China after you become at least as strong as USA. Your army can only talk to Pakisan.

seems that u didn't get bus from 1962 to 21st century....