What you Love and Hate about DFI?

[Yusuf]

to sum it all up this forum looks like 80 year old 1960 bollywood movie

Ah the golden days of Hindi movies

 

[Sabir]

i like DFI , members here are very intelligent and have excellent knowledge on defence . But this is a problem for me . when i read there posts , i could hardly understand something .

Most of us here are non-technical persons. But, I can say from my personal experience whenever you request any technical person to explain something, you will get definitely positive response. Besides, the technical things there are strategic, social or economic matters which are also related to the security of our nation. You may find them interesting.

 

[A chauhan]

The quality of technical debates in DFI on defence matters is higher indeed unlike pdf ! But this is not restricted to the defence matters.

 

[arnabmit]

Been thinking of creating a glossary thread... That should help

i like DFI , members here are very intelligent and have excellent knowledge on defence . But this is a problem for me . when i read there posts , i could hardly understand something .

 

[Maharana]

Religious topics need to be handled with more sophistication. Spewing hatred against any religion gives a bad taste to the reader who's here for knowledgeable debates on defense related issues.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

@TrueSpirit,

Many posters here are at pretty high positions, and some people are too self righteous that they pull all stops towards mocking and insulting others. There has been a growing trend of people mocking the staff, and I later saw your post which was in extremely bad taste. If that is anyway related to being a Microsoft MVP, then I don't know how.

We do not encourage public criticism of staff. We do not encourage means we might simply delete such posts. I believe it is time we adopt a zero tolerance policy, because when we are lenient, we give out the wrong impression that misdemeanors are acceptable. They are not.

Please take it via PM, if you really want anything resolved. The fact you wrote a post mocking @LurkerBaba shows your intention.

If PM was working seamlessly for me, why would I have to ask anyone to fix it ? Second, mocking was not the intention, I asked a valid question about a valid issue which has been plaguing my account since quite some time. He had said he would fix it. I was demanding accountability because I took his word for commitment.

Now I know, it is some sort of voluntary service he is doing & is not being paid for it. My impression was otherwise (gin the existence of revenue model). I understand that it is his discretion whether he solves issues or creates further issues to an already vexed account.

Regarding my post: anyone would speak out when he sees rampant partiality. I have waited for months before speaking out, expecting that someone would realize the there are needless provocation in a moderator's posts that seek to derail the discussion towards perilous territory.

This is your forum. Adopt whatever policy you want, but please do not ignore when your fellow moderator is going berserk in humiliating India, its culture & its denizens, denigrating communities & regions, all & sundry. If you think that is how things should be, think again. Not everyone takes that sitting.

If you are serious about stopping personal attacks: Start with yourself (charity begins at home).

Please be fair, shed arrogance, try some even-handed approach/judgement & ensure that all incitements & needless goading is nipped in the bud. Otherwise, it sends a wrong message to everyone. Then, see for yourself if there are any more rule violations.

Practically, it is not possible to monitor all discussions but when you intervene, do it in the right spirit. Consider this an advice, request, appeal, plea, demand, wish or ignore it altogether. But the onus is on you (the moderators). Your conduct decides how the discussions proceed. If you are really interested, things would never ever go go out of hand.

 

[pmaitra]

Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

If PM was working seamlessly for me, why would I have to ask anyone to fix it ? Second, mocking was not the intention, I asked a valid question about a valid issue which has been plaguing my account since quite some time. He had said he would fix it. I was demanding accountability because I took his word for commitment.

Now I know, it is some sort of voluntary service he is doing & is not being paid for it. My impression was otherwise (gin the existence of revenue model). I understand that it is his discretion whether he solves issues or creates further issues to an already vexed account.

You sent me a PM and it worked. I think you should have sent a PM to LB reminding him. Please understand that we all have busy schedules, and might not be able to immediately attend to issues that are "extra-curricular."

Regarding my post: anyone would speak out when he sees rampant partiality. I have waited for months before speaking out, expecting that someone would realize the there are needless provocation in a moderator's posts that seek to derail the discussion towards perilous territory.

One cannot make everyone happy.

This is your forum. Adopt whatever policy you want, but please do not ignore when your fellow moderator is going berserk in humiliating India, its culture & its denizens, denigrating communities & regions, all & sundry. If you think that is how things should be, think again. Not everyone takes that sitting.

We have a non-mandatory code of conduct. When a moderator is debating, he usually does not moderate. Now, many people know that and use it to their advantage. They keep baiting the moderator. Also, moderators are not supposed to get personal or use expletives. Again, many people use that to take undue advantage of the moderator. In the event the moderator moderates, he is accused of bias, and if he does not moderate but retaliates with abuses, he is accused of hypocrisy. You are doing the same thing here, and personally, I have less sympathy for you than I had before this post, and the more you try to tread on this territory, the more you will lose my sympathy. (I am not threatening you with infraction or ban, I will do neither)

I think you have seen how I cast aside my inhibition and went real low with another lowlife who has been baiting me for a very long time.

I have not seen all of @civfanatic's responses, however, I am more likely to support him for whatever he has done. If I were in his place, I'd probably issue a series of infractions or let loose my tongue. The latter I have done twice so far.

If you are serious about stopping personal attacks: Start with yourself (charity begins at home).

Politeness works with gentlemen. See the video about the French Foreign Legion vs Gorkha Regiment.

Please be fair, shed arrogance, try some even-handed approach/judgement & ensure that all incitements & needless goading is nipped in the bud. Otherwise, it sends a wrong message to everyone. Then, see for yourself if there are any more rule violations.

We are already way too lenient on members. Rules are there. It is assumed members will have read and understood them before they write their very first post.

Practically, it is not possible to monitor all discussions but when you intervene, do it in the right spirit. Consider this an advice, request, appeal, plea, demand, wish or ignore it altogether. But the onus is on you (the moderators). Your conduct decides how the discussions proceed. If you are really interested, things would never ever go go out of hand.

I don't care much about spirit. I care about letter. Between letter and spirit, it is easy to objectively interpret letter. If I had it all my way, I'd strictly go by letter, but we are a user driven forum, and we don't want to drive everyone away. My conduct, or our conduct, is always subject to scrutiny. One cannot make everyone happy.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

You sent me a PM and it worked.

Seamlessly is the keyword.

I think you should have sent a PM to LB reminding him. Please understand that we all have busy schedules, and might not be able to immediately attend to issues that are "extra-curricular."

I had tried it all along, without any success. And tried leaving messages to LB through available channels. I now understand that it is not an obligation for him & my mis-understanding is resolved. However, issue has been persisting for more than a month, now.

One cannot make everyone happy.

We have a non-mandatory code of conduct. When a moderator is debating, he usually does not moderate. Now, many people know that and use it to their advantage. They keep baiting the moderator. Also, moderators are not supposed to get personal or use expletives. Again, many people use that to take undue advantage of the moderator. In the event the moderator moderates, he is accused of bias, and if he does not moderate but retaliates with abuses, he is accused of hypocrisy.

I understand that. However, it only becomes unsavory when, to protect one of their own, people are willing to sacrifice their own guidelines & ethics. This is hypocrisy, at best.

You are doing the same thing here, and personally, I have less sympathy for you than I had before this post, and the more you try to tread on this territory, the more you will lose my sympathy. (I am not threatening you with infraction or ban, I will do neither)

No, I am directing you towards the turn of events, how situations go out of hand. It would not be very pleasant for you to look at them but because it kept on happening without the admins intervening that things have come to this pass. Yes, I fully support the view that moderators should be more strict when it comes to moderating.

However, there has to checks & balances to ensure that one particular moderator does not abuse his privilege & consistently violate DFI guidelines. And if that happens (we are all humans, after all), the last thing one expects to see is a fellow moderator defending such a conduct. That sends a wrong message.

If you think I am baiting you to anything or that I am enjoying this conversation (which is a complete waste of time/effort for everyone), you are grossly mistaken.

Coming to sympathy part, do I look like someone who joined DFI for your on anyone's sympathies ? Or that, I am looking for cultivating online friendships/relations ?

I have held all along & I quote myself "I am here to learn" from some really accomplished individuals who are sort of institutions unto themselves. Second, I enjoy the conversation with my compatriots. I have raised heckles only when I see anything against India, its denizen & communities. Be it my interaction with some Chinese or worse, Indians themselves. You would not see much of me debating/arguing with likes of Farhan for obvious reasons.

I think you have seen how I cast aside my inhibition and went real low with another lowlife who has been baiting me for a very long time.

Well done. I contacted you because I have some regard for you. Now, if you think I am baiting you to anything or that I am enjoying this conversation (which is a complete waste of time/effort for everyone), you are grossly mistaken.

I have not seen all of @civfanatic 's responses, however, I am more likely to support him for whatever he has done. If I were in his place, I'd probably issue a series of infractions or let lose my tongue. The latter I have done twice so far. Politeness works with gentlemen. See the video about the French Foreign Legion vs Gorkha Regiment.

Please understand that I do not have to see any such video. Gorkha Recruitment/Training center in the Tarai is below (yes, on lower slopes) to my paternal home. Our connection with Gorkha units go back in yore. The primary deity of Gorkhas is our familial deity (Kuldevta, you know). However, all this is completely, immaterial.

If you have decided to continue supporting a wrong-doer, it is your problem.

We are already way too lenient on members. Rules are there. It is assumed members will have read and understood them before they write their very first post. I don't care much about spirit. I care about letter. Between letter and spirit, it is easy to objectively interpret letter.

Easyis not necessarily the same as right or true.

There is a thing called discretion that all human beings, even if online, even if they are moderators, are expected to follow. It helps everyone.

If I had it all my way, I'd strictly go by letter, but we are a user driven forum, and we don't want to drive everyone away. My conduct, or our conduct, is always subject to scrutiny. One cannot make everyone happy.

You already have your way. Request you to understand that moderators' conduct could never be under scrutiny if administration is even-handed & fair. In my case, rather than sermonizing, I believe in setting examples worth emulation.& there are many on DFI who are inspirational & leave an evocative impression (to say the impression). Unfortunately, your fellow moderator, for all his knowledge, is not one of them.

And, this has nothing to do with any disagreement. I have had disagreements with you & few others others but nothing has impacted my perception of the person. Get a poll done if you are the truth-seeker that you always claim to be.

Consider this post as my PM & delete it, once you have read it because it says few things about one moderator, in particular.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

@TrueSpirit,

We had a intense debate few years ago ( Was not a Mod at that time ), Regarding wiping out religious and Political sub forum all together and strict moderation..

In D F I history things were very ugly than what is now, The result of the debate ended up into following points >>

1. Majority of Indian net population are not very educated regarding defense their knowledge stuck till weapon specs..
2. Majority of Indian net population are very attracted in subjects of religion, politics and society..
3. Forum has to Run, We cannot make everyone happy..
4. Members and Mods who are relates to defense should ignore religious & Political sub forums all together, It does a very bad effect to our minds..

Few option are made, for example there is a' New Post ' where you can find option ' Only defense ', I encourage those make new threads within defense sub forums and make this place interesting, I doing this since i joined here..

Moderation is strict in Defense subjects, Report post & action will be taken with results..

This is your forum. Adopt whatever policy you want, but please do not ignore when your fellow moderator is going berserk in humiliating India, its culture & its denizens, denigrating communities & regions, all & sundry. If you think that is how things should be, think again. Not everyone takes that sitting.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Re: Aryan Invasion Theory

@TrueSpirit,

We had a intense debate few years ago ( Was not a Mod at that time ), Regarding wiping out religious and Political sub forum all together and strict moderation..

In D F I history things were very ugly than what is now, The result of the debate ended up into following points >>

1. Majority of Indian net population are not very educated regarding defense their knowledge stuck till weapon specs..
2. Majority of Indian net population are very attracted in subjects of religion, politics and society..
3. Forum has to Run, We cannot make everyone happy..
4. Members and Mods who are relates to defense should ignore religious & Political sub forums all together, It does a very bad effect to our minds..

Few option are made, for example there is a' New Post ' where you can find option ' Only defense ', I encourage those make new threads within defense sub forums and make this place interesting, I doing this since i joined here..

Moderation is strict in Defense subjects, Report post & action will be taken with results..

OK Kunal, I think "wiping out religious and Political sub forum all together and strict moderation" would have been a great decision. But, the concerns regarding Indian population are also totally valid.

My primary interest (obsession would the correct word) is Defence because of deep ties but very limited knowledge in that domain.

I have understood that for the sake of my own health, it is better not to post anything on historical/cultural forums because some moderators cannot tolerate anyone countering their views. And, everyone cannot be gentlemen all the time. Human-beings will err.

In future, I would keep my focus on your suggestion & would not participate on "cultural, religious & Political sub forums all together". My participation on those threads has only wasted my time & effort so far. If I really have a problem with anti-India attitude, I should better display my discomfort & reaction in the real-world rather than online, where it means nothing. It was immature of me to get drawn in an online argument (something, that I used to avoid in the past).

Thank you for enlightening, Kunal.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

Would somebody contact somebody called kunal biswas around here and ask him why he banned by id devil510 i mean really that was really a childish move. However if you wish have fun and ban this one too i really have no interest in arguing but still think about it

I know @Kunal Biswas is one of the most knowledgeable members of DFI as well as a moderator. If I had been banned by him I wouldn't want everybody to know about it.

 

[Defcon 1]

@Kunal Biswas

Do you think that it is possible to have a section dedicated to missiles and strategic forces around the world as the fourth section of the subforum? I have many general questions related to missiles but i m forced to ask them on unsuitable threads. Don't you think we should have dedicated threads for different class of missiles, such one for sam, one for asm and ashm, one for ballistic, etc etc. Thanks

 

[Kunal Biswas]

staff members will decide further ..

 

[sesha_maruthi27]

The dedication of the MODS is the very thing to appreciate and good and knowledged posts by members and insight on to new technologies around the world and a detailed explanation for the same by members, are the ROCKING FACTS of DFI......

I LOVE DFI FOR THIS ABOVE REASON.......

One thing i don't like is some members post without proper knowledge and argue with the people who really are knowledgeable. THE THING WHICH I HATE IS THE DISCUSSION OF RELIGION IN A DEFENCE FORUM .......

 

[Defenceindia2010]

Suggestion: Need more discussion on indigenous products development and indigenous innovations.

 

[boris]

Like: Decklander,AbingdonBoy,W.G Ewald over here and cobra commando's music taste.
Hate: Cold Hearted Aviator and Always Neutral from PDF not being here. Would love to have Oscar from PDF here too, even though he is a Pakistani he is hands down the best poster on PDF.

 

[boris]

Duplicate Post.

 

[praneetbajpaie]

I though Boris would say Likes - White man's ass
Dislikes - Non whites

lol


As for me
Dislikes - Pakis and -----is
Likes - Everything else

Why can't I write -----s instead of Chinese??

 

[DivineHeretic]

I though Boris would say Likes - White man's ass
Dislikes - Non whites

lol


As for me
Dislikes - Pakis and -----is
Likes - Everything else

Why can't I write -----s instead of Chinese??

Because that would be offensive to the Chinese guests. We have no love lost for them or their attempts to belittle us. No doubting that. But we dont stoop to name calling. That only weakens our arguements and provides them a way out of a tight situation.

As Humans, and especially as Indians, We would like to treat them in the same manner we would want to be treated. That is our philisophy. Whether or not someone reciprocates is not our concern, It is their choice and will be be a reflection on their society and their teachings.

However this does not mean that we cower down to their offensive arguments or attempts at humiliating us. Thats just a way of evading the topic at hand, and I for one will not fall for their attempt to make us seem as pathetic as the trolls.

 

[kseeker]

Likes - All Indians and Defence Vetarans post on this forum

Dislikes - Paki Morons, Chibots and dead emoticons and avatars