WAR 1971

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I reiterate, we did not have to retain all 93,000 POWs. Only those who were senior enough and those that had committed significant war crimes in 1971.

We could have handed them over to Bangla and let them deal with it- oh they would have been dealt with properly by Banglas hell-bent on revenge.
 

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Prime Minister Indira Gandhi had squandered a golden opportunity to bargain with Pakistan and settle the Kashmir problem on India’s terms.
Well lets not forget that Indra Gandhi and Gandhi pariwar view Muslims as a vote bank even at that time.If we had slaughtered the porki army scum ,the Muslims in India would be anti congress.INC does not care for the nation only its personal well being.
 

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Question to Indians/ non false flaggers..what would be concessions /gains that would satisfy the sacrifices of jawans and the Republic in 71?


imho
1 India gained much land during the war. I'd think trading for captured land in pakjab and sindh as well as pows for a complete evacuation of kashmir by pakisalafis would be more than worth it.

2 would be taking the northern most parts of Bangla districts to resettle Bangla refugees and give better infastructure to IA to access north eastern areas in event of war and for economic development would be a huge gain

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Question to Indians/ non false flaggers..what would be concessions /gains that would satisfy the sacrifices of jawans and the Republic in 71?


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1 India gained much land during the war. I'd think trading for captured land in pakjab and sindh as well as pows for a complete evacuation of kashmir by pakisalafis would be more than worth it.

2 would be taking the northern most parts of Bangla districts to resettle Bangla refugees and give better infastructure to IA to access north eastern areas in event of war and for economic development would be a huge gain

opinions?
Agree. Both would have been desirable. India should have really made a push for Chittagong hill tracts to be set up as autonomous region for persecuted Hindus and obtained Chittagong port on a perpetual lease. After all didn't the west set up a no-fly zone in Iraq and an enclave in Kosovo?

PoK and West Pak would have been more difficult since both US and China were hell bent on intervening should West Pak had been severely compromised and USSR too was less willing to intervene on our behalf. But we could have used that as a leverage to establish an enclave in Chittagong and link it up with Tripura.
 

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Well lets not forget that Indra Gandhi and Gandhi pariwar view Muslims as a vote bank even at that time.If we had slaughtered the porki army scum ,the Muslims in India would be anti congress.INC does not care for the nation only its personal well being.
OT: thats as true as it can get! reason i say that? from a 'second hand' personal experience. one of my coursemate's (& cabin-mate) father was in the PMO team of UPA. he used to tell that meetings would be conducted at 10 RCR at odd hours of night/early morning in a jiffy & the decisions taken therein would be based upon (a preference for) personal/party-interest rather than of the nation's/national interest.
 

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Can anyone please give a comparison between Indian T-55 and Pakistani Type-59 tanks in 1971, and any battle where exclusively only these (or majorly) tanks faced each other?
 

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1971 – An Excursion in Sindh : Notings from a Soldier’s Diary
Captain Shekhar Dutt, SM, IAS (Retd)*


This is a narration of events of the 1971 War in Barmer – Naya Chor (Sindh-Pakistan) Sector, seen through the eyes of a young Captain Shekhar Dutt, SM, who later joined the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) and rose to be the Defence Secretary. The narration takes place in the backdrop of operations of 11 Infantry Division (11 Inf Div), which was tasked to advance to Naya Chor – Umarkot across the international border and pose a threat to Hyderabad (Sindh-Pakistan). Shekhar Dutt was posted in 218 Medium Regiment (218 Med Regt) and was affiliated as Forward Observation Officer (FOO) to 3 Independent Armoured Squadron (3 (I) Armd Sqn), equipped with T/55 tanks. This squadron supported by a company of 2 MAHAR was to spearhead the attack in this sector.

Captain Shekhar Dutt carried a small green rexene jacketed note book 2.5"x 4" in his dungaree (overalls) pocket; wherein he made very cryptic entries which have been elaborated from his memory in this narration. The elaborated entries have been edited at places to keep the narrative short and to the point, but what appears in the pages that follow is generally his own words. Nothing has been edited in the narrative that either changes the events or thoughts or the context.

The actual entries in the note book are highlighted and have been produced verbatim. Please refer to Sketch P while reading the narrative.

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Entry on 21/10 : Joined 3 (I) Armd Sqn.

Came to Forward Assembly Area (FAA).



On 21st Oct 1971, I along with my Observation Post (OP) team joined 3 (I) Armd Sqn at FAA, situated North of Muna Bao – Khokhropar – Hyderabad (Sindh) railway track. We found that if the OP party, with its radio sets etc, got inside the gunner’s compartment of the T55 tank then the tank commander and the gunner would not be able to operate efficiently. The Squadron Commander, Major Mehta explained that at best only I could be accommodated in the gunners’ compartment of the tank. Realising that there was no point in being cut off from my Technical Assistant (TA) and Operator Radio Artillery (ORA); I declined the offer and chose to sit on the turret straddling the Anti Aircraft (AA) Gun, with my boys sitting on either side of the turret. As the tank moved with its hatches closed, I found that I had the best view and knowledge of the surrounding areas.



In the event of a war, 3 (I) Armd Sqn was to enter Pakistan from the North of the railway track. It would go behind the Pakistani past at Bhitala and the neighbouring areas. Another group was to cross the border from South of the railway track and onwards to Chachro. The Div spearheaded by 85 Inf Bde would move into Pakistan from Gadra Road – Muna Bao Axis near Border Pillars (BP) 810 and 814, straddling the railway track, and onwards to Khokhropar and beyond to Naya Chor. The task of 3 (I) Armd Sqn was to outflank the Pakistani positions so that the main force of the Division found it easy to progress through the enemy defences.




Entry on 4 Dec (2200 hrs) : Entered Pak from BP 810.

The armoured group chose to enter at night from BP 810. Complete radio silence was maintained. We moved from the FAA at about 1900 hrs and it took us three hours of fast cross country movement to reach the border.

I think it was on the 4th of December that we had three visitors to the sqn. They were Lieutenant Colonel Alexander, Commanding Officer (CO) of a Madras battalion, Major Viroo Mehta and Captain Upreti of 70 Armd Regt. They were going to join their formation/unit South of Chachro. I remember they had a meal with us in the open desert. Major Viroo Mehta told us that he had put in his papers and that his discharge from the Army was almost through. However, since the war had started he chose to experience the war first and would then leave the Army. After the meal, they left in a small convoy.

Few days later we heard that this convoy was ambushed by the enemy and Lieutenant Colonel Alexander and Major Viroo Mehta were killed while Captain Upreti escaped with a serious injury in one of his eyes. I have always thought that the intrinsic romance of taking part in an operation makes heroes out of brave men. Major Mehta was drawn into such a romance.


Entry on 5 Dec (0600 hr) : Entered Bhitala. Pak forces ran. Got some material.
First to fire Med Guns.


Before the day break we had reached our first destination and started engaging the enemy with direct tank fire as well as artillery fire from the med guns. The Pakistanis had absolutely no clue where this fire was coming from. Radio silence was maintained and full surprise was achieved. Bhitala is on the Pakistan Western Railway and beyond Khokhropar railway station, which is a key station on that track. The bulk of the Pakistani forces got jittery and scattered. On initial searching of some of the Pakistani positions we found valuable clues regarding their formations and composition etc. As we could not afford to lose time we carried on towards Naya Chor leaving the mopping up operations to be done by the forward elements of 85 Inf Bde.


Entry on 6 Dec (1300 hr) : Entered Vasarbh. No opposition.
(1500 hr) : Mines blow off Colonel Handa and Brigadier Kataria. Vikram Burns got it badly (later died).


When we were advancing towards Naya Chor, sitting on the turret of my tank, I heard a loud blast. This was a bit strange as, so far, the progress had been without any major opposition. The noise had come from behind us and after a while we could see a column of black smoke from the general area of Bhitala. I drew the attention of the tank commander and it was decided that we turn back with a troop of tanks and engage any Pakistani elements who may have caused that blast. On reaching the site we found that the 85 Inf Bde Commander, Brigadier Kataria’s vehicle had gone over an anti-tank mine. Brigadier Kataria had a bone injury and Colonel Handa, who was the CO of 164 Field Regiment (164 Fd Regt), was also injured. However, the young Intelligence Officer (IO), Second Lieutenant Vikram Burns Appalaswami suffered the most grievous injuries and died while being evacuated. The fact that the Bde Commander had come so far ahead demonstrated that the 85 Inf Bde had been advancing at a rather fast pace. I knew the three officers fairly well and felt very sorry to see a look of dejection, especially on the face of Brigadier Kataria who I had always seen displaying exceptional enthusiasm. I recall him telling us to carry on and that he would return to take part in the operation before long. Vikram Burns on the other hand was showing no signs of any response and perhaps had had a massive internal injury. I felt really sorry for him as only a few days ago he had presented me with a book on the war in Vietnam. After ensuring that the Bde Commander and the other injured were evacuated for treatment, we resumed our advance towards Naya Chor.


Entry on 7 Dec (0700 hr) : Firing came from Parcha Ji Veri (RS).

Parcha Ji Veri RS is one station short of Naya Chor and almost at the end of the Pakistani desert and had a spattering of shrubs and bushes. For the first time since we entered Pakistan we came under effective enemy fire. We took positions and engaged them with tank as well as artillery fire from our Med Regt.


Entry on 7 Dec (1000 hr) : Entered Parcha Ji Veri (RS) under heavy enemy arty fire.

The Pakistanis were desperately trying to stop our armoured group. However, because we had divided them from their troops at Khokhropar and Bhitala, they were not able to regroup and give us any worthwhile resistance. We entered Parcha Ji Veri RS and found that it had a fairly large compound and well constructed railway infrastructure. However, all through the day the Pakistani artillery kept on pounding our positions in the RS complex. We spread out and made good use of whatever little cover was available.


Entry 7 Dec (1500 hr) : Under heavy enemy air attack. Four Sabres.
Registered couple of tgts. Stayed the night in Parcha Ji Veri.


Our camouflage drill paid dividends as the sky was soon swarming with F 86 Sabre jets which circled around Parcha Ji Veri and strafed and bombed whatever they could sight. Some of our three tonners, mainly supply vehicles, were hit. We used our medium machine guns with great effect which kept the enemy fighters at bay. I noticed that Pakistani aircraft on their way back from bombing missions in India dropped their munitions on forward Indian positions (like our position at Parcha Ji Veri). I reckoned that in order to prevent the possibility of damage due to friendly fire, Pakistani units identified their own positions to their returning aircraft by firing smoke shells in a linear fashion demarcating the area held by Indian troops. Paying back in their own coin, on a few occasions, I fired the same colour of smoke shells as a linear target deep inside the Pakistani positions. This led the Pakistani aircraft to strafe and bomb their own positions thinking that it was held by the Indian troops. Since the Pakistani forces were lulled to believe that their own aircraft would not bomb them, they were careless in their movements and thereby attracted the friendly fire. All through the afternoon, I ranged and registered a number of targets. We had dug in and stayed that night in the Parcha Ji Veri area. I slept under the tank quite comfortably. Since the time the operation had started this was the first night that I had really slept.


Entry 8 Dec (0600 hr) : Left Parcha Ji Veri RS towards SW. Under heavy Pak arty fire.

We wanted to take a short detour to Naya Chor and outflank it from the South. However, Pak arty fire continued relentlessly forcing us to take a wider detour.


Entry 8 Dec (1200 hr) : Went with one troop of tanks to relieve 10 SIKH LI under counter attack. Our heavy arty fire beats off counter attack.

(1300 hr) : We chased them and ran into their arty fire.

(1500 hr) : We come back in 10 SIKH LI area. Whole night under shelling.


While we were taking a detour to outflank Pakistani positions, we came to know that there was a counter attack on the 10 SIKH LI position. Sqn Commander, Major Mehta asked me to take a troop of tanks to support 10 SIKH LI. I readily agreed. While approaching 10 SIKH LI position, I ranged and targeted the Pak arty positions as well as the advancing Frontier Force Battalion. By this time, our fd arty guns had also become available. Our accurate fire broke up the counter attack. We gave the Pakistanis a chase. As we went closer to their positions we encountered rather heavy arty shelling. This was obviously a well entrenched defensive position and the Pakistanis were desperately trying to defend it.


Entry 9 Dec (1000 hr) : I engaged some targets.
Our HF-24 aircraft rocketed two tanks of Pakistan and burnt them.

In the morning of the 9th for the first time we got a hint that Pakistani tanks were around. We located some of their possible sites and I ‘ranged’ them with our guns and conveyed the information to our Air Force. Panic stricken, two enemy tanks broke cover and were spotted by our HF 24 aircraft, which knocked them out. It was a beautiful sight seeing the pair of Marut aircraft coming almost at tree top level, then climbing up and again diving while releasing their rockets at the enemy tanks.


Entry 9 Dec (1300 hr) : Engaged targets.
(1900 hr) : Came back to rejoin rest of our tanks.


From the flanks of the 10 SIKH LI position I had a panoramic view of the Pakistani defences. A larger number of our fd arty batteries were becoming available to me and I was able to bring down our field as well as medium artillery on the enemy. However, as our troop of tanks had been away from the main squadron for over a day by now, it was decided that we rejoin them.

Entry 10 Dec : Enemy air came over twice but could not locate us. Whole day we kept our arty fire on various enemy tgts.


Havaldar Keshav Singh, my Mike NCO (for laying telephone lines), was proving to be a man worth his weight in gold as he kept me in contact not only with the Arty Bde Headquarters but also with the regiments and batteries. During the last few days I had noticed that the Pakistanis had breached our radio net. In order to counter such a possibility, during the exercises I had developed a simple but fail-safe code with Keshav. I used to call him on the PRC 25 radio set and give an indication that we should start operating our own code. He would then switch on to another pre-arranged frequency and receive my instructions, again change the frequency and communicate. For every new communication we had a pre-arranged method of changing the frequency and communicated with each other without any possibility of being intercepted. Havaldar Keshav Singh would then relay my instructions to the concerned gun positions on line. Keshav was responsible for laying the cables for these lines and connecting me with the gun positions.

Many years later in 1991, when I was Joint Secretary in the Ministry of Defence responsible for major projects, electronics and ship building, I was educated about the technology of ‘frequency hopping’ radio sets then just being introduced in military warfare. Keshav and I apparently had hit on this concept of frequency hopping and used it successfully in the 1971 war much before the development of the technology. I was, therefore, never out of contact with my guns.


Entry 11 Dec (0300 hr) : Attack started by 10 SIKH and 2 Mahar.


(0400 hr) : All objectives secured.


(0400 hr) : We moved in for out flanking manoeuvre.


This was a major offensive on a feature called Parbat Ali. The attack started much before day break. The units of 85 Inf Bde, i.e. 10 SIKH and 2 MAHAR, overran some of the Pakistani positions. Even in darkness we could see the disarray amongst the Pakistanis. The Sikh and the Mahar war cries were resonating in the desert. In panic, the enemy left their trenches, many of them in underclothing. Later we found that their soldiers, and especially the officers, were a rather indisciplined lot as evidence pointed to the recent presence of women in their trenches. This was in stark contrast with the discipline existing in the Indian Army. The attack on Parbat Ali was undertaken with complete surprise. Some enemy elements were seen sneaking in the general direction of Naya Chor and it was necessary to cut them off. Therefore, we moved our tanks on an out-flanking manoeuvre.


Entry 11 Dec (0900 hr) : Ran into dense anti-tank minefield 4000 yards South of Naya Chor.

(1100 hr) : Under intense Pak mortar fire. Three tanks caught in the minefield blew. I engage enemy mortars (Target U 1111) by 164 Fd Regt.


I still recall that morning of 11 December. It was biting cold with low visibility. At a distance of about half a kilometre we could see people running away from us. My TA Virender Pal Singh looked up at me from his perch on the side of the turret with a silly grin. I asked him what had happened. He told me that his rifle was not firing. Apparently, he was trying to fire at some shadowy figures about 250 meters away. I told him to hold his fire because they might be our men. As the tank closed in we found that, indeed, they were 10 SIKH troops carrying out mopping up operations. Our tanks continued moving forward, cleared a hump and suddenly came into a depression. The first few tanks went 30-50 yards into the depression. Lieutenant Murdhar’s tank was the first one and I was sitting atop the second tank. There was a loud thud like sound and my tank, on whose turret I was sitting, suddenly jumped a couple of feet. Then the tank sank in the sand with a big jerk. The bogey wheels of my tank had been disengaged from the tracks thus making the tank completely immovable. Suddenly it was all quiet. The tanks had all stopped in their tracks. I realised that my tank had gone over an anti-tank mine. Thirty yards ahead on our left Murdhar’s tank had also halted but it was safe. At a distance on my right I could see one more tank squatting in a peculiar position, clearly incapacitated by another anti-tank mine. It was clear that our tanks had gone into a minefield. In a little while, I heard some high pitched whistling sounds over my head. A minefield is usually covered by small arms fire and we realised that the whining sound was that of bullets flying over our heads. Thus, it was only a matter of time before the Pakistanis would engage us with recoilless (RCL) guns or other anti-tank weapons. Therefore, we decided to get off the tanks and walk back in the direction we had come from, and take cover behind the hump. I took all our weapons and ammunition, picked my camera and radio from inside the gunner’s compartment and put them in my haversack. I was about to disembark when the tank driver, Bhik Singh, stopped me from getting down. He told me “Sir, aap mere piche chalo, jahan per main pair rakhta hoon, wahein apna pair dalo.” He wanted me to follow him and step at the same places where his steps fell. Only much later did I realise that Bhik Singh knew that where anti-tank mines were laid there could be anti personnel mines also. He was risking his life in order to give me a better chance.

Lieutenant Murdhar Singh’s tank, which was the first to enter and travelled the maximum distance into the minefield, miraculously did not go over a mine. Showing tremendous bravery, Murdhar later went back to his tank and with the help of his driver and a Sapper NCO, backed the tank out of the minefield following exactly the same tracks it had made while entering the minefield. Murdhar and the Sapper NCO walked along the tracks guiding the driver to exactly retrace the tank’s earlier path. Thus, the tank could rejoin the battle. After this, Murdhar and I rode the same tank, with me sitting on top of the turret. Without doubt Lieutenant Murdhar Singh and Driver Bhik Singh were among the bravest men.

Many years later, in 2005, when I was Defence Secretary and attending the Raising Day function of Skinner’s Horse, I asked about Bhik Singh and was told that he had passed away a few years ago. I also asked about Murdhar Singh and was informed that he had probably made it to a Lieutenant Colonel, but his present whereabouts could not be confirmed.


Entry 11 Dec (1300 hr) : Came back to Raj Rif area with rest of the tanks.

(1500 hr) : Enemy air spotted our tks.


We regrouped in 22 RAJ RIF area and continued on our mission to completely overcome the defences at Parbat Ali. By this time elements of an Indep Inf Bde had joined us, greatly improving our strike capability. Our fire power was also improving day by day as I was finding more artillery regiments on my net. The Pakistani Air Force, consisting mostly of F 86 Sabres, occasionally circled around us and took on isolated supply or ammunition vehicles but could not damage any of our tanks.


Entry 11 Dec (1700 hr) : 4 Sabres came and get the two stranded tanks.


(1800 hr) : Pak RCLs blow the same two tanks off. Own arty fired the whole night.


This was expected. Pakistanis were, however, not willing to risk their soldiers in their own minefield and attempt to recover our tanks.



Entry 12 Dec (0800 hr) : Four Sabres come back but could not locate us.

All through the day we regrouped and prepared for the final assault on Parbat Ali.



Entry 13 Dec (0400 hr) : 10 SIKH and 2 MAHAR attack and capture Parbat Ali occupied by 39 FFR. Heavy Pakistani casualties. 350 captured.

The final assault on Parbat Ali was well planned and didn’t give the enemy much chance. We used our guns to the fullest advantage and took on the targets that we had ranged and registered earlier with precision, accuracy and volume. The enemy who was well dug in and entrenched, gave in and this time our forces were able to fully occupy the Pakistani positions at Parbat Ali.


Entry 14 Dec : Moved to 10 SIKH LI area.

10 SIKH LI was preparing to launch an attack on Pakistani positions near Naya Chor. The area was registered as an arty target and named 5 Tree Area. It was, as the name suggests, the beginning of their green belt. There was a village on one side. The whole day I ranged and registered various targets in the area.

Entry 15 Dec : 10 SIKH LI attacks on village and 5 Tree Area. Heavy enemy arty fire. 10 SIKH LI suffers a lot of casualities. Capt Sengupta (Arty OP) injured. 2nd Lieutenant Bahadur (10 SIKH LI) killed.

The resistance from the Pakistanis was severe because 10 SIKH LI had moved into the range of their arty. Unfortunately, they lost the services of their OP officer Captain Sengupta of 164 Fd Regt. I volunteered to replace Captain Sengupta and went in the direction of 10 SIKH LI. There was a great deal of firing. While I was running towards them I saw one of their company commanders, Major Arora whose leg seemed to have been almost severed, being evacuated. There were many other casualties. Colonel Basant Singh, the CO of 10 SIKH LI, was calmness personified. He was very happy that I had come. A Pakistani Lysander observation aircraft was hovering in the skies. The Pakistanis were firing airburst shells which were causing maximum casualties. As their OP officer had been injured, 10 SIKH LI became rather vulnerable without any arty support. Also, their forward elements were within the machine gun range of the enemy. Taking advantage of all this, the Pakistanis had launched a counter attack on 10 SIKH LI and were approaching under the cover of arty fire. I immediately started directing fire on the Pakistani gun positions and also the machine gun posts which I had already ‘ranged and registered’ the day before. With some corrections I was able to bring down fire on the Pakistani guns.

That afternoon I was returning after consultations with Colonel Basant Singh, CO 10 SIKH LI, when I noticed TA Virender Pal Singh communicating on the radio. I heard him saying “To confuge enemy aircraft”. He repeated this number of times. I asked him whom he was speaking with. He told me that he was giving the target description to the gun position for firing smoke shells at least 2/3 kilometres inside the Pakistani held territory. This he was doing, he said, as the Pakistani aircraft had gone out for a sortie and would soon be returning. Virender Pal Singh was ensuring that the returning Pakistani aircraft would be confused into bombarding their own troops. Within a few seconds our guns had fired their smoke shells deep in Pakistani territory and indeed the returning Pakistani air sortie emptied their remaining ammunition on their own troops.

TA Virender Pal Singh was awarded a mention in despatches for his adventurous presence of mind and initiative to bring harm to the enemy in the operation.


Entry 16 Dec : Engaged lot of enemy tgts. Am still in SIKH LI area village.


A very difficult time. Heavy shelling, chaps killed in next trench. Shift to B Coy. Engage DFs. Stay whole night under air attack and shelling.


This was a very difficult day. 10 SIKH LI was in an open and plain area which was obviously a known and registered Pakistani arty and air target. During one spell of intense shelling I, with my TA and Operator had taken shelter in a trench when there was a loud noise very close by. This was a direct hit by a Pakistani shell on a trench very near us which I believe had more than three soldiers – all of whom were killed. I decided to shift to Bravo Company as it gave us a better field of vision. I found at least one more subscriber on my radio net indicating the addition of another arty regt with us. I believe it was 68 Fd Regt. This boosted our fire power considerably. Realising the intention of the enemy, I started engaging a series of Defensive Fire (DF) targets. The Pakistanis were also obviously desperate to prevent Indian ingress. The whole night shelling went on from both sides. The Pakistanis also carried out a few air raids at night.

Entry 17 Dec : Two East Bengali Officers Capt Hussain, AMC and one from Engrs surrendered. Get a lot of info. Mulla Feroze and Dastoor capture confirmed. 4 to 5 Sabres come thrice and strafe and bomb. Some damage to soft vehicles. Their GOC, ex GOC, a lieutenant col and a maj were hit by our air. Pakistan agrees to our call for cease fire at 2000 hr today. Dhaka surrendered at 1101 hr on 16 Dec.

On the morning of 17 December a number of East Bengali officers in the Pakistan Army sneaked across towards our position. Two such officers came right across my position. They told me that Flight Lieutenant Mulla Feroze and Captain Dastoor had been captured when they strayed and bumped into Pakistani elements that were in the process of retreating from Bhitala/Khokhropar. Immediately I realised how the Pakistani side had breached into our radio net. Being the Air Control Team (ACT) with tentacle, the two Indian officers were in possession of all frequencies and diagram of our Radio Net and that must have fallen into Pakistani hands. My pre-war arrangement of alternate communication channel with Keshav Singh, therefore, had paid us rich dividends. The two East Bengali officers told us about the loss sustained by the Pakistanis, especially some of their General rank officers. They also spoke about their own relief and joy that Dhaka had fallen. By evening, it was clear that there would be “All Quiet on the Western Front.” Cease fire was agreed.

Entry 18 Dec : GOC 11 Div, Commander Inf Bde and Commander Arty Bde come to SIKH LI position.

Without losing any time the three commanders of the main formations taking part in our sector of operations, namely GOC 11 Inf Div, Commander 85 Inf Bde and Commander 11 Arty Bde, came together to 10 SIKH LI position and met the CO, officers and men, and visited the forward most unit of the Div which had suffered the maximum casualties. This speaks volumes regarding the quality of leadership present in the Indian Army during Operation Cactus Lily (as this operation was code named). As a young captain, albeit on a ringside seat, I found this to be a remarkable event and wrote this as the last entry of my diary in the war.

Epilogue

Nostalgia tends to add colour to events, forcing an element of subjectivity into a narration. To retain objectivity, I have stuck to the cryptic notes of a fairly ancient and war torn pocket note book. There was a sense of adventure, an enthusiasm for combat and a great sense of team spirit in the youngster who penned these small thoughts. I am sure it was true of all of us who were my age and service and had the good fortune of being part of the 1971 War. History was being made but this was the last thing in our minds when actual tasks and combat were an obsession. There will be much time and occasion to draw lessons and see the events in a larger perspective. I have purposely denied myself the benefit of hindsight and experience so as to retain the flavour of youthful participation. I will leave the scholarly part for another occasion.


*Captain Shekhar Dutt, SM, IAS (Retd)
was commissioned into the Regiment of Artillery on 06 August 1969. After release from the Army he joined the Indian Administrative Service and rose to be the Defence Secretary from 29 July 2005 to 31 July 2007. After retirement he served as the Deputy National Security Adviser for two years. Presently, he is serving as the Governor of Chattisgarh since 23 January 2010.

Journal of the United Service Institution of India, Vol. CXLI, No. 590, October-December 2012.

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This is a war record of Indian offensive operation where T-55 were involved, Cannot say enemy forces had exclusively T-59 but their was a possibility ..

Can anyone please give a comparison between Indian T-55 and Pakistani Type-59 tanks in 1971, and any battle where exclusively only these (or majorly) tanks faced each other?
 

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Russia and India: 70 years together
May 30, 2017, 8:05 PM IST Vladimir Putin in TOI Edit Page | Edit Page, India | TOI
This year, we are celebrating the anniversary of a truly historic event. Seventy years ago – on April 13, 1947 – the governments of the USSR and India announced their decision to establish official missions in Delhi and Moscow. This step on our part logically followed up on our course for assisting India on its way to national liberation and contributed to strengthening its independence.

In the decades that have followed, our bilateral partnership has further intensified and strengthened, and has never been subject to expediency. Equal and mutually beneficial relations of the two States have steadily developed. This is quite natural. Our peoples have always had mutual sympathy and respect for each other’s spiritual values and culture.


(Courtesy: Kremlin press)

Today, we can take pride in what we have achieved. With Russia’s technical and financial assistance, the pioneers of Indian industrialization came into existence: metallurgical complexes in Bhilai, Visakhapatnam and Bokaro, the mining equipment plant in Durgapur, the thermal power station in Neyveli, the electromechanical enterprise in Korba, antibiotics plants in Rishikesh and the pharmaceutical plant in Hyderabad.

Soviet and, later on, Russian scientists and academics participated in the establishment of research and education centers in India. These include the Indian Institute of Technology in Bombay, research institutes of petroleum industry in Dehradun and Ahmedabad.

We are proud our specialists helped develop India’s space program. Thanks to this fruitful bilateral cooperation, in 1975 India’s first satellite, Aryabhata, was launched, and Indian citizen Rakesh Sharma travelled into space in 1984 as a crew member of Soyuz T-11.


In August 1971, our countries signed the Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation, which set forth the fundamental principles of bilateral relations, such as respect for the sovereignty and each other’s interests, good neighborliness, and peaceful coexistence. In 1993, the Russian Federation and the Republic of India confirmed the inviolability of these basic principles in the new Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation. The Declaration on Strategic Partnership signed in 2000 provides for close coordination of approaches to ensuring international peace and security and resolving pressing global and regional issues. Annual summits have become an established practice in the Indian-Russian bilateral relations allowing us to discuss in a timely manner the efforts taken to accomplish our objectives and set long-term goals. In early June, we will have another summit with Prime Minister Narendra Modi in St. Petersburg. He is expected to attend the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum, in which India will for the first time participate as a partner country.

The legal framework comprising more than 250 documents is being updated on a regular basis. Effective work is carried out within intergovernmental commissions on cooperation in trade and economy, science and technology, as well as culture and military-technical field. Ministries of foreign affairs, security council offices and line ministries maintain continuous dialogue. The interparliamentary and interregional ties, as well as business and humanitarian contacts are actively developing. Military cooperation is also being enhanced: joint land and naval exercises are conducted regularly.

Cooperation in peaceful uses of atomic energy is one of the fundamental components of the relationship between India and Russia. The construction of the Kudankulam Nuclear Power Plant with our assistance is a flagship project in this field. In 2013, the first nuclear power unit was put into operation. In October 2016, the second unit was transferred to the Indian side, and construction of the third and fourth power units began. All of this contributes to the implementation of the plans to develop nuclear energy in India involving the construction of at least 12 power units in its territory by 2020. These goals are stipulated in a joint document – the Strategic Vision for Strengthening India-Russia Cooperation in Peaceful Uses of Atomic Energy. We intend to further share best practices in this important industry with India and contribute to enhancing its energy security.




(TOI file photo)

Collaboration in the traditional energy sector is successfully developing. The purchase of a block of shares in the Russian company “Vankorneft” made by the Indian consortium of companies has become the biggest bilateral deal in the oil industry. The possibilities for the participation of Indian companies in joint hydrocarbons exploration and production projects in the Russian Arctic shelf are currently under consideration. There are also good prospects for cooperation in the solar energy filed, modernization of the existing power plants and construction of new ones in the territory of India.

Large-scale projects are carried out in mechanical engineering, chemical and mining industries, aircraft construction, pharmaceutics and medicine.
One of the priorities is to boost the trade turnover and improve its structure, as well as stimulate economic activity of our business communities. I am referring to enhancing industrial cooperation and increasing supplies of high-tech products, creating a better business and investment environment, and using systems of payments in national currencies.

The decision to start negotiations on a free trade area agreement between the Eurasian Economic Union and India adopted in December 2016 is of particular importance. The possibilities of creating the International North South Transport Corridor are being explored. All these factors should promote the development of our bilateral and regional cooperation.

To encourage reciprocal capital inflow, a working group on priority investment projects was established under the Inter-Governmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific, Technological and Cultural Cooperation. 19 most promising projects have already been selected. Russia is committed to long-term participation in the “Make in India” program initiated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Our countries cooperate intensively in the production of multipurpose weapons and military equipment. Co-production of a unique supersonic cruise missile “BrahMos” is our special pride. Since 1960, the overall value of contracts within the framework of military and technical cooperation has amounted to over USD 65 billion, while the portfolio of orders in 2012-2016 exceeded USD 46 billion.

India and Russia are equal partners in international affairs. Our countries support the establishment of a multipolar democratic system of international relations based on strict compliance with the principles of law and resting upon the UN central role. We are willing to further jointly counter challenges and threats of the 21st century, promote the unifying agenda and contribute to maintaining global and regional security.

We effectively interact within BRICS – an association that thanks to our collective efforts is increasing its weight and influence. This June, India will become a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization. It will considerably enhance the potential of the SCO. India and Russia also work together within the G20 and other international formats.

I would also like to note that our countries closely coordinate positions on such complex issues as settling the situation in Syria and ensuring stability in the Middle East and North Africa region. They significantly contribute to the national reconciliation process in Afghanistan.

I am convinced that the enormous potential of cooperation between the two great powers will be further explored for the benefit of the peoples of India and Russia and the international community in general. We have everything necessary to achieve this – political will of the sides, economic viability and shared global priorities. All this is based on the glorious history of the Indian Russian friendship.
Taking this opportunity, I would like to convey the kindest regards to all the citizens of friendly India.
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PM Modi on seven decades of India-Russia friendship
May 31, 2017, 09.13 AM IST
A file photo of Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Russian President Vladimir Putin
Article by the Prime MinisterNarendra Modi on the 70th Anniversary of establishment of diplomatic relations between India and the Russian Federation published in Russian newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazetta on May 31, 2017
Seven decades ago, on 13 April 1947 to be precise, even before India gained independence, India and Russia established diplomatic relations with each other. I convey my warm greetings to the people of Russia and India on the 70th anniversary of this momentous milestone. which we are celebrating this year. e in 2017.

India-Russia relations have been the one constant in a world that has changed dramatically since 1947. They have withstood the test of time, and grown from strength to strength. The resilience of our relationship is based on the fact that it rests on the principles of equality, trust and mutual benefit. We have adapted our partnership to the different stages of our national development and to the changing realities of the international context. We have been together in times good and bad.

Our relations of course go well beyond the last seventy years. They are steeped in history. They also go well beyond the governments. Afanasei Nikitin travelled from Tver to India in the 15th century to connect Russia to India. Later, in the mid-18th century, Indian merchants travelled between India and Russia and established settlements in Astrakhan. Gerasim Lebedev, who was a pioneer of Indology and Bengali theatre, visited India around the same period. He was followed by Ivan Menayev in the mid-19th century, who introduced Sanskrit to the people of Russia, studied Vedic literature, the edicts of Ashoka the Great, Pali grammar and Buddhist studies. Scholars like Sergei Oldenburg and Fyodor Shcherbatskoy continued that tradition during the following decades, translating and studying many Indian epics and classical texts.

In later years, Rabindranath Tagore's poetry was translated into Russian and Mahatma Gandhi, the father of our nation, and Leo Tolstoy corresponded with each other. The immortal works of Nikolai Roerich and his love for India remain a part of our rich cultural legacy. Russian writers like Dostoevsky, Pushkin and Chekov influenced Indian thought and drama. Yoga, Indian films, songs and dances remain an abiding bond between our people.

The Soviet Union helped India build its industrial base. The factories at Bokaro and Bhilai, the hydroelectric dam at Bhakra-Nangal, and the images of Wing Commander Rakesh Sharma on board the Soyuz T-11 as the first Indian cosmonaut, are etched in the minds of every Indian.

In the last seventy years, India has developed a large and diversified industrial and technological base. We are among the fastest growing large economies of the world. The potential for India's accelerated growth has never been greater, nor the optimism higher. Russia has re-emerged from the events of 1991 as a global power with international reach and influence. Its economy has been modernized and a new generation is driving the country forward.

In 2000, India and Russia signed a Declaration on Strategic Partnership. In 2010, we elevated our partnership to the level of a Special and Privileged Strategic Partnership. These documents are more than just words. They contain an ambitious blueprint for our cooperation. Our cooperation in the military technical field is a pillar of great strength in India-Russia relations. Russian equipment and technology is the mainstay of our defence forces. The symbols of our contemporary partnership today include Indian investments in Sakhalin 1, and now the Vankor and Taas-Yuryakh oil fields, the nuclear power plant at Kudankulam and the Brahmos Joint Venture Project. In the economic field we are moving in the direction of increasing mutual investments in manufacturing, development of the International North-South Transport Corridor and creation of a Green Corridor. India has been an important contributor to the pharmaceutical industry of Russia.

But we cannot and should not be satisfied with our achievements and must strive to open new vistas. We should fully exploit our mutual complementarities based on our large markets, resource endowments and industrial and technological base. We are focusing on increasing our bilateral trade which is considerably below our potential. We are opening new areas of cooperation in the energy sector, telecommunications and science and technology. We have set up funds to facilitate investment in high technologies. We look upon the Arctic as another area of cooperation with Russia. We wish to expand cooperation between the regions of Russia and the States of India, and especially with the Russian Far East. We are working on expanding our trade ties with the Eurasian Economic Union. We are exploring new areas of cooperation like railways, innovation, IT, diamond trade, and infrastructure. There are efforts towards greater joint production and technology transfer from Russia to India. We are working together to enhance physical connectivity as also intensify contacts between our scientists, universities and intellectuals, particularly the younger generation. Russian companies are welcome to join our flagship programmes such as Make in India, Start Up India, Skill India and Digital India.

The significance of our relations goes beyond the bilateral sphere. This is natural and has always been so. Our partnership has contributed to global peace and security. We have supported each other's key interests. We are important stakeholders in upholding the stability of the international political, security, economic and financial order. We cooperate closely in forums such as the United Nations, BRICS, G-20, East Asia Summit, RIC and the IAEA. India looks forward to becoming a full member of the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation that became possible with wholehearted Russian support.

At a time of multiple global challenges, our cooperation becomes all the more necessary. There is loosening of the traditional power balance in the world. New centers of influence and new engines of growth are emerging. The United Nations Security Council no longer reflects these changing realities, and direly needs reform. The world is plagued by multiple regional hotspots. Their effects are being felt across the world. The biggest threat to civilized societies comes from terrorism that is today more lethal and more organized than ever before. Terrorism is challenging our way of life. India and Russia are natural partners in fighting terrorism unitedly and with determination and to promote a multi-polar international system based on the central role of the United Nations and international law.

In India, the policy of building strong relations with Russia enjoys crosscutting national consensus. Every government in India since 1947 has accorded the highest priority to developing close relations with the government and people of Russia. My government is not only committed to following this policy, but taking our relations to newer heights.

I will never forget my first visit to Russia in 2001 with Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee. I was struck by the achievements of Russia, its sense of history and the pride of its people. I have visited Russia a few times thereafter, and every time I have felt the immense goodwill towards my country and people. We deeply value the leadership and support that President Putin has given to our relationship.

As we commemorate seven decades of our close partnership, we have an occasion to celebrate our achievements and plan the future trajectory of our relationship. When President Putin visited Goa in October 2016 for the 17th annual bilateral Summit, we agreed on a roadmap to celebrate this momentous occasion. I am happy to note that the road map is well on its way to implementation and that many new elements are being enthusiastically added to the celebrations.
I pay homage to all those, known and unknown, who have toiled and contributed to the development of the unique relationship between our two nations. We are the inheritors of their legacy and beneficiaries of their hard work and above all, their unwavering faith in this relationship. We are committed to building on this legacy and bequeathing to our youth a strong and vibrant partnership that will contribute to changing the world for the better.

I eagerly look forward to my visit to the beautiful city of St. Petersburg, and to my meeting with President Putin for the 18th Annual India-Russia Bilateral Summit and the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum.

Long live India-Russia friendship!

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.......... PAK-FA and other deals will go through while Modi is in Russia.
thats the crux of it ..... there were reports year after year of disappointment in deals with russia eg Adm Grskov PAKFA delays and game playing in delaying of TOT asking indian engineers to just sit at the desk and go for lunch in the end learn nothing , pushing up the price of projects in mid-stream etc etc along those lines

those are what really count , will we see improvements in that

70 years of the past has little meaning because that was a different era ......it has to be translated down the line into actual TOT's and better cooperation in deals and better project management by being fair to both sides

those are the main issues ....hope they are properly addressed with follow through down the line

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Russia and India have been good friends for long time and we did good business together,
If we look from friendship point of view then the Russian submarines did manage to thwart the American carriers getting into Bay of Bengal to help out Pakistan. Such has not happened from any other country INCLUDING FRANCE. France on other hand did not want to share the source codes during the Kargil war, Somehow we got Israeli help for getting the GPS guided bombs to attack vital targets. Thus we know who our friends are.

Now to other points, Russian planes are suddenly not as per expectations of IAF and importantly only in IAF do planes have issues of availability be it French or Russian. The flight crew are professional unfortunately the top brass are not that great, specially when all it takes for DM to intervene and that gets the availability rate better? how does that happen? Simply because IAF does not have a clue about Administration or how to manage spares.
For them its like going to super market and get one.

Now not reading between the lines. What are the present and future planes available for us?
LCA Mk2, not sure the IAF will support it then, maybe their requirement changes. But we need more than 300 of these, for IAF and also Indian navy and perhaps army aviation

Rafale, IAF is keen on buying as many as they can, seriously IAF top brass does not know what they need, they are child crying for a lollipop only because when you collect 100 wrappers you get a lollipop free. 36 is more than enough.

Su-30 MKI, we already have a lot, too many best we upgrade them to super sukhoi,

PAKFA/FGFA, better to order say 72 or so at the most, 5th Gen planes are going to be very expensive to use and maintain.

F-35 ,, the waiting line is too big

Eurofighter, not really a requirement

MiG-35, if with AESA, its a good plane that can actually fall between LCA 2 and PAKFA but ordering that might compromise the numbers of LCA 2 so better skip it.

Go for Yasen class subs, why not?
 

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