US doubts HAL's capability

[sandeepdg]

Gora elites of USA and British are similar in many aspects, specially:

"They criticize/bi*ch in private amongst themselves about you, if they are jealous of you."

Remember this always.

USA will never appreciate an independent and strong India leading South-asian economic block, under single Rupee currency. HAL is very important pillar in military future of this economic block because of its rapidly expanding manfacturing capabilities(coming orders of LCA, LCH, LUH, LOH, AMCA, MRCA, Su-30MKI, FGFA etc.).

Roemer met HAL officials before he wrote that letter back home to Washington. He is showing his displeasure at how HAL babus didn't bend to his american wishes(plans) in bending future of Indian military complex.

This Ch*tiya Roemer was proposing that HAL should be banned from MRCA and whole work should be under control of Boeing and some american funded small Indian private companies(puppets), so that USA Government can control military complex in India.

As it turned out later, chu*iya underestimated our babus. Well done HAL!

Yeah, some Indians are foolish enough to think that we took a wrong step by shunting the Americans out and not appeasing these ch***a's! Ch***a sardar ke ch***a senapati !

 

[SuperCommandoDhruv]

^^ true. we are uneducated when it comes to strategic thinking and defence of country.

In China and Russia, they provide basic defence and military education at school level.

we celebrate when our tax-money goes into foreign weapons factories! we expect others to come and save us from a rogue neighbour.

we celebrated 4 decades of Russian weapons imports era and now we are jumping with joy because we found new shop from where we can buy weapons(USA, Israel).

Some experts in media, cry when Govt. announced 100 carore grant to GTRE for improving R&D on Cryogenic engines in India but they start jumping with joy when Govt. spends 500 carore for buying over-expensive aircraft engines from foreign companies & depend forever on them for spare parts.

Instead of asking for "latest" and "best", IAF and Army should first start trusting their own Indian brains and put some faith in Indian talent. Stand behind your team and say, we can do it.

Keep following BRF. We have a lot more people to awaken. :biggrin:

 

[SuperCommandoDhruv]

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[asianobserve]

India's liberal democracy is causing the country to be sluggish in implementing measures or quickly adopting to new technological or industry trends. But that said, it is lso India's greatest asset on the long term. A vibrant participatory democracy is the best guarantee that India will have a stable and relatively predictable future. China's future on the other hand is not assured to be smooth sailing. That country is headed for some very rough political storm mainly from its own people who, as China progress further and people's economic conditions improve coupled with globalization, will be demanding more political freedoms from the increasingly defensive CCP.

 

[asianobserve]

India should take a closer look at the expamples set by Japan and Korea. Both these countries shot out of the pack in Asia and the World by closely aligning themselves with the US. Did they lose their national identities in the process? NO. Are they prosperous? YES. Are they secure? YES! Are these countries more progressive than India? YES.

 

[tony4562]

India should take a closer look at the expamples set by Japan and Korea. Both these countries shot out of the pack in Asia and the World by closely aligning themselves with the US. Did they lose their national identities in the process? NO. Are they prosperous? YES. Are they secure? YES! Are these countries more progressive than India? YES.

These are relatively small countries whose citizens are homogenous, disciplined and smart (avg IQ at 105). Not all US allies have made the jump to join the industrialized nations, for example the Phililpines, what about Mexico.

 

[Armand2REP]

These are relatively small countries whose citizens are homogenous, disciplined and smart (avg IQ at 105). Not all US allies have made the jump to join the industrialized nations, for example the Phililpines, what about Mexico.

I didn't know Mexico was a US ally. Why do they buy Flankers?

 

[tony4562]

I didn't know Mexico was a US ally. Why do they buy Flankers?

Mexico has no flankers, it only has a token airforce. With its economy completely dependent on US, Mexico is a US ally by default, it has no choice.

 

[mayfair]

 

[niharjhatn]

These are relatively small countries whose citizens are homogenous, disciplined and smart (avg IQ at 105). Not all US allies have made the jump to join the industrialized nations, for example the Phililpines, what about Mexico.

Stupid to look at factors like blindly labelling them "disciplined" and following IQ and the Wealth of Nations-esque thinking that their supposed higher IQ is what made them what they are.

Myriad of complicating factors are there... with regards to India, issues such as corruption and fallout from years as a colony has had a significant impact on 'advancement'.

North Koreans are disciplined and have a (supposedly) high IQ like their southern brethren... what explains their difference?

 

[tony4562]

Stupid to look at factors like blindly labelling them "disciplined" and following IQ and the Wealth of Nations-esque thinking that their supposed higher IQ is what made them what they are.

Myriad of complicating factors are there... with regards to India, issues such as corruption and fallout from years as a colony has had a significant impact on 'advancement'.

North Koreans are disciplined and have a (supposedly) high IQ like their southern brethren... what explains their difference?

Don't laugh at the north koreans. They are not doing as well as their countrymen from the south for reasons we all know. There is no doubt that upon reunification North Korea will experience exponential growth, perhaps reaching 70% of the living standard enjoyed in the south within a decade. Koreans are the same everywhere, tough, intelligent and extremely nationalistic. To compare the koreans with the japanese or chilnese is like comparing leopard with lion, smaller but fiercer.

Also despite the stalinist rule in N.Korea, life there compares favourably with the life enjoyed by most indians. You can compare poverty rate, life expectancy, literacy rate, sanitation facilities, you will find N.Korea is on par or better than India in most categories, not that surprising really considering that half of sub-sahara africa, too, has higher living standard than India has. Heck, Pyongyang has had a metro system since 1973, nearly 30 years before Dehli had one. Your greatest city, Mumbai, has to this day not a single mile of metro line in operation.

If I were you, I would hardly have the guts to laugh at the N.Koreans.

 

[LurkerBaba]

Stupid to look at factors like blindly labelling them "disciplined" and following IQ and the Wealth of Nations-esque thinking that their supposed higher IQ is what made them what they are.

Myriad of complicating factors are there... with regards to India, issues such as corruption and fallout from years as a colony has had a significant impact on 'advancement'.

North Koreans are disciplined and have a (supposedly) high IQ like their southern brethren... what explains their difference?

This is blindly parroted by Han chauvinists who are in reality Anglo-Saxon wannabes.

The 'evil western' imperialist is just drivel. In reality they simply love appreciation from the West (Lynn types)

Argument ain't really fruitful, for admitting a mistake would be a massive 'loss of face'

Also despite the stalinistic rule in N.Korea, life there compares favourably with the life enjoyed by most indians. You can compare poverty rate, life expectancy, literacy rate, sanitation facilities, you will find N.Korea is on par or better than India in most categories

^^

See what I mean

 

[Godless-Kafir]

Don't laugh at the north koreans. They are not doing as well as their countrymen from the south for reasons we all know. There is no doubt that upon reunification North Korea will experience exponential growth, perhaps reaching 70% of the living standard enjoyed in the south within a decade. Koreans are the same everywhere, tough, intelligent and extremely nationalistic. To compare the koreans with the japanese or chilnese is like comparing leopard with lion, smaller but fiercer.

Also despite the stalinist rule in N.Korea, life there compares favourably with the life enjoyed by most indians. You can compare poverty rate, life expectancy, literacy rate, sanitation facilities, you will find N.Korea is on par or better than India in most categories, not that surprising really considering that half of sub-sahara africa, too, has higher living standard than India has. Heck, Pyongyang has had a metro system since 1973, nearly 30 years before Dehli had one. Your greatest city, Mumbai, has to this day not a single mile of metro line in operation.

If I were you, I would hardly have the guts to laugh at the N.Koreans.

Thats complete bollocks, No one laughs at any country in India, we have our own problems and most our public does not even care for China and we dont know where North Korea is, North Korea is a banana republic compared to India, we are the second largest producer of Wheat,Rice and Agriculture commodities in the world. We have one of the largest dynamic growing economies in the world.

Yes there is also large poverty and that is high lighted because of our Democratic and OPEN media. Unlike your communist states which hide all the filth. Your confusing the open criticism in Indian media with the lack of open media in China and North Korea, in NK Hundreds of thousands died in Famine because of US blockade. Moreover i would suggest you try and defame China while living there and find out what happens to you. You would be in jail.

 

[niharjhatn]

Don't laugh at the north koreans. They are not doing as well as their countrymen from the south for reasons we all know. There is no doubt that upon reunification North Korea will experience exponential growth, perhaps reaching 70% of the living standard enjoyed in the south within a decade. Koreans are the same everywhere, tough, intelligent and extremely nationalistic. To compare the koreans with the japanese or chilnese is like comparing leopard with lion, smaller but fiercer.

Also despite the stalinist rule in N.Korea, life there compares favourably with the life enjoyed by most indians. You can compare poverty rate, life expectancy, literacy rate, sanitation facilities, you will find N.Korea is on par or better than India in most categories, not that surprising really considering that half of sub-sahara africa, too, has higher living standard than India has. Heck, Pyongyang has had a metro system since 1973, nearly 30 years before Dehli had one. Your greatest city, Mumbai, has to this day not a single mile of metro line in operation.

If I were you, I would hardly have the guts to laugh at the N.Koreans.

Jeeze tony, you sound like you are threatening me! Don't laugh at North Korea!!

I never laughed at North Korea, but your attempted explanation that East Asia's development has been based on their supposed higher IQ than others based on completely flawed evidence and yet another attempt of "intellectuals" in the west's attempts of portraying the white man as the ideal balance between the brainy but weak orientals and the brawny-not-brainy Africans.

I hail from South Africa, so I have plenty of experience of this!

I simply pointed out that linking such things to higher IQ does not make sense, given the difference in positions of the north and south.

No doubt India has problems, and you seem just seem to be the type of guy who loves to bring them up. This does not mean I cannot criticise what I see as ridiculous in other nations.

I see gun possession laws in the US as plain stupidity, combined with an atrocious health system - ooh wait, as I am Indian, I shouldn't have the guts(!) to point out something like that!

You're just being comical to come up with posts like that. I suggest you no longer visit an Indian defence forum:thumb:

 

[AOE]

This is blindly parroted by Han chauvinists who are in reality Anglo-Saxon wannabes.

The 'evil western' imperialist is just drivel. In reality they simply love appreciation from the West (Lynn types)

Argument ain't really fruitful, for admitting a mistake would be a massive 'loss of face'

Hahaha, had to give this post a like, because it is true. Sinocentrism seems to be the new National Socialism of the East, supported by people who claim to be anti-colonialist and imperialist. I always find it amusing how communist regimes always end up espousing the kinds of views they once opposed and detested.

 

[asianobserve]

" I always find it amusing how communist regimes always end up espousing the kinds of views they once opposed and detested. "

Seriously, who wouldn't like to be in a liberal and democratic society? The allure of individual freedom is universal and inevitable. That's why I have always maintained that these totalitarian, or undemocratic, or ultra-conservative states like NK, Iran, Saudi Arabia can be democratized without invading them. Just beam satellite TV stations to their youth or connect them to the internet soon these younger generation will on their own demand that they be granted more political rights and individual freedoms.

These invasion thing is really crude and unsophisticated. A waste of resources.

 

[aramsogo]

Stupid to look at factors like blindly labelling them "disciplined" and following IQ and the Wealth of Nations-esque thinking that their supposed higher IQ is what made them what they are.

Myriad of complicating factors are there... with regards to India, issues such as corruption and fallout from years as a colony has had a significant impact on 'advancement'.

North Koreans are disciplined and have a (supposedly) high IQ like their southern brethren... what explains their difference?

Fallout from colonialism?? Korea has been a colony of China or Japan far, far longer. It was also completely destroyed years after Indian independence. The difference is Korea had low corruption, high investment capital and an educated workforce.

 

[Pintu]

A cup of coffee , for thinking of US Defence Establishments, no need to be down in frustration for M-MRCA deals, fruits are lying ahead for grabbing:

An article by Retd. Air Marshal B.K. Pandey for SP Aviation appearing Military Aerospace.com

http://www.militaryaerospace.com/index/display/avi-wire-news-display/1438706595.html

Regards