The Syrian Crisis

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Syria unrest has killed 60,000, says UN

A study commissioned by UN human rights commissioner Navi Pillay collated data from seven different sources, and concluded that there had been 59,648 deaths until November 2012.
The study did not provide a breakdown of whether those who died were rebels, soldiers or civilians.

But it highlighted that 76% of the reported victims were identified as male.
Source: BBC News - Syria unrest has killed 60,000, says UN

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So al-Assad is killing civilians? Don't think so, if 76% of the dead are male.
 

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15,000 women have been killed, and an equal number of innocent men. 30000 dead civilians sounds like it to me.
 

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@Singh and @Daredevil,

I don't know what will happen, but I sure hope the Alawaites regroup in the coastal cities and give a good hammering to these Salafi nutjobs.
Maybe Alawites regroups themselves settling in an Alawistan. See here: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/west-asia-africa/20816-syrian-crisis-45.html

On this case, Alawistan would need much more Russian help than Syria, since it will be a small size and weaker de facto state. While, Russian base in Tartus has been there, Alawistan will be safe, since no one has balls to attack the Russian base. But if Russians go home, Alawistan will not resist much time fighting Salafists Turkish-backed alone
 
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Maybe Alawites regroups themselves settling in an Alawistan. See here: http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/west-asia-africa/20816-syrian-crisis-45.html

On this case, Alawistan would need much more Russian help than Syria, since it will be a small size and weaker de facto state. While, Russian base in Tartus has been there, Alawistan will be safe, since no one has balls to attack the Russian base. But if Russians go home, Alawistan will not resist much time fighting Salafists Turkish-backed alone
Man, you have been following my posts pretty well. Thank you Sir! :)
 

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Let us see if this drags on with a stalemate like situation.

In such a scenario, Alawaites and Christians will be on the coastal regions, will continue to have access to Russian supplies, while the rebels will control parts of the hinterland. There will be frequent clashes. The Kurds will also step up their game against Turkey, whom the Russians migh be encouraged to aid to keep Turkey bogged down. The Shia majority Iraq and Iran will so all they can to wear out the rebels from the east, by supplying fighters and militia of their own. The rebels will be stretched thin.

Now, the question is how long the financiers of this war will be able to sustain the rebels. War weariness will soon emerge if the rebels do not see quick victory. Some may want to return to Turkey, with Turkey seeing a spillover, especially from the imported Jihadis, who will not like the secular lifestyle of the Turks. They might soon turn against Turkey, imposing Sharia, and carrying out attacks.

Erdogan will either try to contain them, or placate them and earn a bad reputation in the European capitals, thus hurting their integration into the European organizations. Russia, one the other hand, might try to ramp up their military exchanges with Greece, another NATO country, with sympathies for the Russian position, for historical and cultural reasons, apart from the prospect of a Russian bailout of the floundering Greek economy.

Then there is Cyprus, a potential catalyst sparking of tensions between Greece and FYR of Macedonia on one side, and turkey on the other.

Looks like this thing could snowball into something major very soon.
 

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15,000 women have been killed, and an equal number of innocent men. 30000 dead civilians sounds like it to me.
Killed by whom don't put the whole figures on Syrian army.

This old trick of demonising the enemy with lies and treachery is well known the Soviet afghan war was one good example the dirty unbelievers were bayoneting poor afghan women and children. Come up with an innovative lie
 

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Killed by whom don't put the whole figures on Syrian army.

This old trick of demonising the enemy with lies and treachery is well known the Soviet afghan war was one good example the dirty unbelievers were bayoneting poor afghan women and children. Come up with an innovative lie
I put 99.9% of the figure on him, he is carpet bombing/shelling cities and towns with no care who is killed.
 

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FSA tank destroys regime tank

 
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Turkish and Libyan pilots arrested in Syria by Syrian army, on Dec-31-2012. Happy New Year guys! :wave:

 
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I put 99.9% of the figure on him, he is carpet bombing/shelling cities and towns with no care who is killed.
Yes carpet bombing with old Mig-23 and Mi-17 earlier Sheikh news was giving bollocks that Assad is using chemical weapons.

Its plain simple the West is giving its blessing to Sunnis kingdom and Turkey to get rid of this regime which is not friendly and its not to protect democracy.
 

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Government denies claims Turkish officers held in Syria

Foreign Minister Ahmet DavutoÄŸlu has dismissed claims Turkish military officials and National Intelligence Organization (MÄ°T) members are being held in Syria, saying they were aimed at manipulating the domestic and international public.

"There is not a single Turkish officer being held in Syria," DavutoÄŸlu said at a news conference after talks with his Singaporean counterpart, Kasiviswanathan Shanmugam, in Ankara.

The reports that Turkish military and intelligence officials were captured in Syria have appeared in Syrian media on more than one occasion in the past. Most recently, there were reports that at least four Turkish pilots were captured while trying to infiltrate a Syrian military air base.

The claims came to the fore once again on Friday, when it emerged that a lawmaker from the main opposition Republican People's Party (CHP) had submitted a formal question in Parliament about the claims that that two generals and up to 10 military officers and MÄ°T officials are being held in Syria.

CHP Aydın deputy Lütfi Baydar submitted the question and asked Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu to clarify whether the claims are true.

Baydar identified 10 names in his official parliamentary question and asked whether or not there are any Turkish officials who have been killed or captured in Syria.

Baydar told Today's Zaman on Friday that the CHP was very much discomforted over the claims, adding that the government should clarify these claims as soon as possible.

"The CHP has submitted this question because we want to know whether these officers, who are members of the Turkish Armed Forces (TSK) were in Syria in order to train the Free Syrian army (FSA) or not. We want these claims to be clarified," said Baydar.

Baydar stated that the 10 names were given to the CHP by a member of the Syrian Parliament, identified as Sharef Marsan. "Mr. Marsan told us that two generals, six officers and four MÄ°T officials were captured in Syria. This information was provided by a very reliable source. The CHP is still in contact with Marsan, who provided us with this important information. Now, we want the government to provide clarification. We will pursue this issue until the end," said Baydar.

Baydar said that he will share with the public the full names of the 10 Turkish military officers and MİT officials soon. The names as presented in Baydar's question motion are as follows: Captain Yasin K., lieutenant Sinan T., Lieutenant Fuat Y., lieutenant Mustafa H., third lieutenants Hasan G., Tarık T., İbrahim M., Yusuf C., Murat Y., and Harun M.

Baydar questioned whether these 10 officials were arrested while training FSA members.

Baydar also added that there were serious claims regarding the connection between the FSA, a prominent armed group in Syria seeking to overthrow the Syrian regime, and MÄ°T. "There are claims that there are MÄ°T officials in Syria in order to train FSA members. These claims are discomforting to the CHP. Why are MÄ°T officials interfering in Syrian internal affairs? This is the Syrians' war," said Baydar.

Iran's Press TV quoted a report by Syrian newspaper Al-Watan on Monday alleging that the Syrian army had arrested four Turkish fighter jet pilots near a military airport in the northwestern Syrian province of Aleppo.

On Dec. 31, 2012, diplomatic sources as well as the General Staff denied reports that claimed that four Turkish pilots were arrested in Aleppo, deeming it "disinformation" orchestrated by the Syrian regime as it teeters on the brink of collapse. The General staff stated that the report was "entirely untrue."

"We do not accept the statement of the staff because it is certainly not convincing. There should be an explanation. What are these four pilots doing there?" said Baydar.

Meanwhile, Gürcan Balık, special advisor to the foreign minister, denied the claims mentioned in the CHP's formal question on his Twitter account on Friday. "This is all fabricated news aimed at manipulation," he said.

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Yes carpet bombing with old Mig-23 and Mi-17 earlier Sheikh news was giving bollocks that Assad is using chemical weapons.

Its plain simple the West is giving its blessing to Sunnis kingdom and Turkey to get rid of this regime which is not friendly and its not to protect democracy.
Yes, he carpet bombing and shelling indiscriminately even using cluster bombs. I agree the claim of chem weapons was a farce. That doesn't change the female death toll resting on his shoulders.
 

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Yes, he carpet bombing and shelling indiscriminately even using cluster bombs. I agree the claim of chem weapons was a farce. That doesn't change the female death toll resting on his shoulders.
Answer a simple question who are sending and arming,funding jihadists in Syria.
I see it as a cynical decision these sunnis monarchy are just sending all undesirable to fight in Syria so that they don't have the threat of facing same situation here if the West is so apprehensive about genocide etc where was France when Sri Lanka was getting a free hand on Tamils,where is France a lot have been murdered,raped,butchered in Congo. Face it this is a policy of destabilization to get rid of all enemies. The next target will be Iran.
 

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Any idea on how the year end counter offensive by the regime is carrying on.

There is no news of any major city changing hands from rebels to Govt forces, so looks like the rebels have become capable enough to hold the land and not just abandon it like they used to do earlier.
 

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Answer a simple question who are sending and arming,funding jihadists in Syria.
I see it as a cynical decision these sunnis monarchy are just sending all undesirable to fight in Syria so that they don't have the threat of facing same situation here if the West is so apprehensive about genocide etc where was France when Sri Lanka was getting a free hand on Tamils,where is France a lot have been murdered,raped,butchered in Congo. Face it this is a policy of destabilization to get rid of all enemies. The next target will be Iran.
Apparently not us...

Syria rebels' arms supplies and finances drying up despite western pledges | World news | guardian.co.uk
 

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