The Atheism/Agnosticism Thread

Do you think God exists?


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From the streets of some major city, seems like that. Although, it can't give us numbers over how many Indians have left religion.
How many Indian believed in god in 300BC? Do you know that Chanakya himself did not speak of god? Dharma looks at god as an omnipresent spirit that is a form of link across the universe. This is called pantheism

Coz I'm an atheist, not a communist and can't argue with any sort of emotional or political righteousness. I won't even react.
Atheism is jingoism and insanity. Without having any proof to say that god does not exist and not even trying understand the definition of god, one must not say god does not exist.

First you have to answer these questions:
  1. What is God?
  2. How do you know it exists or not based on any evidence available?
 

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How many Indian believed in god in 300BC? Do you know that Chanakya himself did not speak of god? Dharma looks at god as an omnipresent spirit that is a form of link across the universe. This is called pantheism
Essentially the God which is considered people is alive, conscious and intellegent. So, respected by them. Their rituals have become a problem.

If any community assigns this attribute to some particle or natural powers driving this universe, its totally fine because these powers aren't going to change even if I don't "respect" them. For you, they may be God, for me they may be foundation of our universe.
For believers, it might be sort of satisfaction, for me, I got the thing proved which I believed.
Coz here on DFI, no matter how much lectures they give to me about this rational nature of Hinduism, they believe and fight for deities, not these natural powers. Nor fighting for these powers will make any sense.
Altogether, the current form of religion practiced in India leaves little difference between itself and Abrahamic religions.
Atheism is jingoism and insanity. Without having any proof to say that god does not exist and not even trying understand the definition of god, one must not say god does not exist.
One can't disprove anything which was never at the first place.
God is an introduced concept, its existence is not an obvious thing and till evidence is provided, absence of evidence will continue to serve as evidence of absence.
First you have to answer these questions:
What is God?
God is the essentially an Omnipresent, Omniscient and Omnipotent creature as per its concept introduced by its believers.

He is alive and conscious just like me except that he's inifintely more powerful than me.
This is the popular definition of God needed to be reviewed and is persistent in most of the parts of world.

If natural orders are the things you are defining as Gods, they aren't alive and are not going to punish me consciously even if I, as a human try to manipulate them for my personal gains.

That's it!!
How do you know it exists or not based on any evidence available?
When you are going to install an underground station, you don't ask for evidence that elves aren't living underground.
Clearly, any affirmative sentence needs support of any evidence or it goes negative.

Instead of going with, "WHAT IF" approach,
you have to go with "CAN IT" approach on the basis of your knowledge to anticipate and assess the set of implications, you are going to bear as a result of schemes of your actions.
Like monkeys don't live inside Sun's core, elves underground aren't there or Universe doesn't necessarily need any intelligent creator.
 

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Essentially the God which is considered people is alive, conscious and intellegent. So, respected by them. Their rituals have become a problem.

If any community assigns this attribute to some particle or natural powers driving this universe, its totally fine because these powers aren't going to change even if I don't "respect" them. For you, they may be God, for me they may be foundation of our universe.
For believers, it might be sort of satisfaction, for me, I got the thing proved which I believed.
Coz here on DFI, no matter how much lectures they give to me about this rational nature of Hinduism, they believe and fight for deities, not these natural powers. Nor fighting for these powers will make any sense.
Altogether, the current form of religion practiced in India leaves little difference between itself and Abrahamic religions.
Again, this is a wrong notion. We are only fighting in a mild manner and not going full throttle. It is not the belief in deities but "SPITE" against oppression what we are inducing in people. The reason to not go direct is because the situation has deteriorated so bad that there is a need to wait for more time. So, spite is not same as insanity. We are just using the psychological trait of man to be free and that is being used to bring people together without telling the deadly truth. It is never about beliefs.

If natural orders are the things you are defining as Gods, they aren't alive and are not going to punish me consciously even if I, as a human try to manipulate them for my personal gains.
No one said that you will be punished directly. But if you defy natural order, you will end up in ruins or will ruin everything around. Things take time to build while destroying is very easy. Respecting natural order is important to ensure that destructive activities are checked and whatever is built will last indefinitely for future generations to build on. Punishment need not always be physical or immediate. Punishment is just about making your presence on earth meaningless by destroying whatever you made or you stood for. It may happen after 500 years or any other time.

Also, you are given autonomy and power to think to manipulate the surrounding and doing so is not wrong as long as you don't create imbalance or make things unsustainable. You need not worship or pray to anything as it is not a meaningful activity which has no constructive effect. But you must follow natural order for things to be stable over long durations of time and prevent destruction of generations of efforts
 

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Again, this is a wrong notion. We are only fighting in a mild manner and not going full throttle. It is not the belief in deities but "SPITE" against oppression what we are inducing in people. The reason to not go direct is because the situation has deteriorated so bad that there is a need to wait for more time. So, spite is not same as insanity. We are just using the psychological trait of man to be free and that is being used to bring people together without telling the deadly truth. It is never about beliefs.
I understand that you guys are milder than Abrahamics but there's not much of difference between your modern approach Abrahamism except cruelty and scientifically a bit better.

Superstitions are still at place, they are moronic and just because rest of world believes in them, it doesn't make them any less moronic.

If beliefs are being misused right now, then people should be made aware of truth.

India isn't a sub saharan African country whose masses are unconnected. We got a functional & integrated economy.

People with milder believes could be made to set an example of hardcore believers.
No one said that you will be punished directly. But if you defy natural order, you will end up in ruins or will ruin everything around. Things take time to build while destroying is very easy. Respecting natural order is important to ensure that destructive activities are checked and whatever is built will last indefinitely for future generations to build on. Punishment need not always be physical or immediate. Punishment is just about making your presence on earth meaningless by destroying whatever you made or you stood for. It may happen after 500 years or any other time.
Even ruins have varying definitions. Ruins for one could be boon for another.
And if I can take necessary precautions regarding environment, I will be able to prevent ruins too.
Anyways, let's not take it off topic. But what do you mean by "stood for"? :confused1:
Also, you are given autonomy and power to think to manipulate the surrounding and doing so is not wrong as long as you don't create imbalance or make things unsustainable. You need not worship or pray to anything as it is not a meaningful activity which has no constructive effect. But you must follow natural order for things to be stable over long durations of time and prevent destruction of generations of efforts
I never denied the necessity of sustainability. Natural balance still has to be balance for greater good. Specially for humans whose disease or homicide rates have declined close to nil when compared to other species.

My basic point says that I'm responsible for my & my species fate if I commit any wrongdoing but I'm not morally answerable to any holy deity (better say an alien creature) who lives apart from this universe.
 

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IMO deities are just manifestations of the God and the One is the conciousness inside us. When we worship we are basically worshipping our own self, increasing the energy of self. Our Sanatana Dharma teaches us meditation and meditation increases power of the concious to exert influence on the surroundings. The more we meditate the more power we can influence
 

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How do you know it exists or not based on any evidence available?
Instead of going with, "WHAT IF" approach,
you have to go with "CAN IT" approach on the basis of your knowledge to anticipate and assess the set of implications, you are going to bear as a result of schemes of your actions.
Like monkeys don't live inside Sun's core, elves underground aren't there or Universe doesn't necessarily need any intelligent creator.
Here's the perfect example of it.
@Bhumihar & @Pinky Chaudhary may be interested. Because by picking "WHAT IF" approach without assessing the risk, you often misguide yourself.
I just searched what if you're wrong & got this.
By the WHAT IF approach even jihadis or missionaries could be right. We have to assess, CAN IT be? Find inconsistencies in every concept and eliminate them to forge a new narrative.
We got brilliant minds. Why not use it here too?

BTW, he censored Mohammad as a taunt because Muslims get offended when someone depicts him.
:biggrin2::biggrin2:
 

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Here's the perfect example of it.
@Bhumihar & @Pinky Chaudhary may be interested. Because by picking "WHAT IF" approach without assessing the risk, you often misguide yourself.
I just searched what if you're wrong & got this.
By the WHAT IF approach even jihadis or missionaries could be right. We have to assess, CAN IT be? Find inconsistencies in every concept and eliminate them to forge a new narrative.
We got brilliant minds. Why not use it here too?

BTW, he censored Mohammad as a taunt because Muslims get offended when someone depicts him.
:biggrin2::biggrin2:
Well.... Sanatan Dharma doesn't claims itself to be one " true religion". Infact, it doesn't claims anything at all. All existence is based upon the cosmic flow of karma. You reap what you sow. Even enlightened divine beings like Lord Krishna and Lord Ram had to repent for their sins, there is simply no escape. So, it doesn't matter if you're Atheist or believer , what matters is your karma, either good or bad.
You should read Srimad Bhagvad Gita, even if you're are not a believer, with a clear-open mind, you will find out many interesting things.
 

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God = Extra-ordinary man/woman with all his flaws. That has been Hindu sentiment in my opinion.

Tendulkar considered God of cricket is good current era example as far as Indic/Hindu culture goes. With all his flaws like not wanting to pay tax for car etc or getting out witted by certain bowler he is still the god of cricket in India. Our gods get injured, goes through bad patch makes come back, fails buts makes most of his abilities. :cool3:

See Krishna, once ran from the battle field (got named ranchod das or something), defied lot of battle rules in great war for the greater good of society. We have 36 million or crores however make more gods i.e extra ordinary people. :megusta:


IMO deities are just manifestations of the God and the One is the conciousness inside us. When we worship we are basically worshipping our own self, increasing the energy of self. Our Sanatana Dharma teaches us meditation and meditation increases power of the concious to exert influence on the surroundings. The more we meditate the more power we can influence
 

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Well.... Sanatan Dharma doesn't claims itself to be one " true religion". Infact, it doesn't claims anything at all. All existence is based upon the cosmic flow of karma. You reap what you sow. Even enlightened divine beings like Lord Krishna and Lord Ram had to repent for their sins, there is simply no escape. So, it doesn't matter if you're Atheist or believer , what matters is your karma, either good or bad.
You should read Srimad Bhagvad Gita, even if you're are not a believer, with a clear-open mind, you will find out many interesting things.
Obviously, nobody's having problem with that. But the current form practised.
 

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India isn't a sub saharan African country whose masses are unconnected. We got a functional & integrated economy.
India relies on petroleum for its economy. So, India has got a problem here. That iw why one has to wait till petroleum depletes

People with milder believes could be made to set an example of hardcore believers.
People must have no beliefs. Even today it is not belief but "spite" against oppression that is being used. You simply are to myopic to see the in depth reality

Even ruins have varying definitions. Ruins for one could be boon for another.
And if I can take necessary precautions regarding environment, I will be able to prevent ruins too.
Anyways, let's not take it off topic. But what do you mean by "stood for"?
Ruins means the ruining of knowledge. Ruining of knowledge accumulated over generations will not be a boon to others.

My basic point says that I'm responsible for my & my species fate if I commit any wrongdoing but I'm not morally answerable to any holy deity (better say an alien creature) who lives apart from this universe.
You are not answerable to any alien form. I never claimed that
 

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India relies on petroleum for its economy. So, India has got a problem here. That iw why one has to wait till petroleum depletes
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Unrelated.
I'm talking about government's accessibility to people's minds which can't be done in fourth world.
People must have no beliefs. Even today it is not belief but "spite" against oppression that is being used. You simply are to myopic to see the in depth reality
I'm not myopic in anyway.
I'm saying that you don't need one belief necessarily to fight with others.
Disbelief is even a stronger as they won't even be able to argue with you.
Ruins means the ruining of knowledge. Ruining of knowledge accumulated over generations will not be a boon to others.
Knowledge will be ruined if we are ruined. So, we have to exploit resources in a way we can sustain.
By the way, this argument is unrelated. Because for defacing nature, a conscious being at least isn't going to punish me.
You are not answerable to any alien form. I never claimed that
That's well & fine then.
You don't believe in conventional God, I don't either. So, what we are arguing for.
 

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God = Extra-ordinary man/woman with all his flaws. That has been Hindu sentiment in my opinion.

Tendulkar considered God of cricket is good current era example as far as Indic/Hindu culture goes. With all his flaws like not wanting to pay tax for car etc or getting out witted by certain bowler he is still the god of cricket in India. Our gods get injured, goes through bad patch makes come back, fails buts makes most of his abilities. :cool3:

See Krishna, once ran from the battle field (got named ranchod das or something), defied lot of battle rules in great war for the greater good of society. We have 36 million or crores however make more gods i.e extra ordinary people. :megusta:
Better u understand sanatasn dharma. 33 koti means not crore. 33 koti means type .33 type of god. But if u understand essence we believe only in 1 god. Bhagwaan Shiva Vishnu and brahma are one and same. Very difficult to explain why 3 different forms taken. Anyways try reading books of siddha saints which will mostly be in native languages
 

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When time for dharma establishment will come people will reliaze who is god and sanataan dharma till then let them stay in illusion no point debating beyond a point
 

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Just a general observation. All religions are childish, but certain philosophers have presented very good arguments. Aurobindo, for instance. His idea of God is not some sky daddy nor is it similar to advaita or dvaita. He explains it within an evolutionary context. I would urge agnostics to read some of his works/letters to get a better idea.
 

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Belief is back: why the world is putting its faith in religion
Fifty years ago, religion was on the retreat as science advanced. Now it is centre stage of global politics. What does it offer the modern world, asks Neil MacGregor
It must surely be one of the most beguiling and evocative posters of the 1970s. High above the Earth, floating serenely among the stars and loosely tethered to a speeding spaceship, Yuri Gagarin smiles out at us and salutes. The first man in space is dressed in brilliant communist red, and emblazoned on his helmet are the letters CCCP (the Russian initials for the USSR). Above the skies, he looks around and tells us what he can see, or rather what he can not see: Boga Nyet!: There is no God! Below him are the toppling towers and domes of churches and mosques, left behind and condemned to imminent collapse by the soaring achievements of Soviet science. The old religions are withering away. Reason and research have raised humanity to a new idea of heaven – we can now all join Gagarin in an achievable paradise, empty of divine beings, and full instead of starry promise.

A photograph taken 42 years later, in May 2017, is an equally compelling image of our own decade. It shows what popular songs long regarded as perhaps the nearest thing to heaven on earth – Paris in the springtime. But this is no romantic glimpse of the world’s favourite tourist destination. We are in the working-class suburb of Clichy. In the square in front of the mairie, beneath the French tricolour and the stars of the European Union, and under the watchful eyes of the police, God is being defiantly worshipped on the public highway. Hundreds of Muslim men are kneeling in prayer to protest at the closure of their unauthorised mosque. The secular French state, its republican values built on the basis of an absolutely non-negotiable laïcité (secularism), is being peacefully but fundamentally challenged by a group claiming the right to be loyal French citizens while asserting that they (and millions of others) also have rights as members of a religious community. As the notorious row about the burkini showed just a few years ago, these are not claims that France finds it easy to accommodate.

Both images are entirely characteristic of their time, with resonances far beyond their place. The Soviet poster was of course devised as propaganda, but the assumptions behind it were very widely shared. In the 1970s, most politicians in the US and western Europe, as in the USSR, broadly believed that scientific advance, material progress and growing prosperity would lead to the continuing retreat of faith from the public realm. Just as important, nearly all shared the view later articulated in Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign, that the most significant political determinant would ultimately be “the economy, stupid”.

Russia now defines itself loudly and proudly as Orthodox. Putin is ostentatiously devout. Even the KGB has its own church.

All that has changed. In the Russia that has emerged from the wreckage of the USSR, state atheism is decidedly a thing of the past. The country now defines itself loudly and proudly as Orthodox. President Putin is ostentatiously devout. The Cathedral of Christ the Saviour in Moscow, dynamited on Stalin’s orders in 1931, has been meticulously rebuilt. Even the KGB has its own church. Beyond Russia, the competitive materialisms of the cold war have been in large measure dislodged, or at least recast, by a different discourse. To an extent rarely seen in Europe since the 17th century, faith now shapes a significant part of the global public debate.

The whole of the Middle East is caught up in murderous conflicts that are articulated and fought out in religious as much as economic terms. In Indonesia and Nigeria, Myanmar and Egypt, communities are attacked and individuals killed on the pretext that the practice of their faith makes them aliens in their own country. India, whose constitution enshrines the state’s equidistance from all religions, is convulsed by calls for the government to assert an explicitly Hindu identity, with grave consequences for the hundreds of millions of Indians who are Muslims, Christians or belong to other faiths. In many countries, among them the US, immigration policy – which usually means the case against immigrants – is often debated in the language of religion.

French protest … Muslim men pray in the street after their mosque is closed in Clichy in March 2017. Photograph: Bertrand Guay/AFP/Getty Images
Even in a largely agnostic Europe, the French street protest is part of a similar trend. The Bavarian first minister has recently urged the presence of the cross in official buildings as the marker of a Catholic Bavarian identity (even though the Catholic church opposed the idea). In 2009, a nationwide referendum in Switzerland decided to ban the building of minarets; while for the last few years thousands have been marching regularly in Dresden to protest against the alleged “Islamisation” of Europe. The most populous country on Earth, China, claims that its national interests, the very integrity of the state, are threatened by the exiled spiritual leader of Tibetan Buddhists, the Dalai Lama, a man whose only power is the faith he embodies.

Belief is back. Around the world, religion is once again politically centre stage. It is a development that seems to surprise and bewilder, indeed often to anger, the agnostic, prosperous west. Yet if we do not understand why religion can mobilise communities in this way, we have little chance of successfully managing the consequences.

If one had to choose a tipping point, a specific moment at which this change crystallised, it would probably be the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran. Deeply shocking to the secular world, it appeared at the time to be pushing against the tide of history: now it seems instead to have been the harbinger of its turning. After decades of humiliating intervention by the British and the Americans, dissenting Iranian politicians – many of them far from devout – saw in the forms of Iranian Shi’ism a way of defining and asserting the country’s identity against the outsiders. The mosque, even more than the bazaar, was the space in which new national narratives could be devised and in which all of society could engage. Ten years later, the Lutheran churches of East Germany played a comparable role for those resisting and ultimately overthrowing an oppressive state sustained in office by the armies of the Soviet Union. In both cases, faith structures (literal and metaphorical) were for a time seen not as oppression, but as frameworks for freedom.

If one had to choose a tipping point, a moment when this change crystallised, it would be the 1979 Islamic revolution in Iran

Many states since then have followed a similar path. In a way that could hardly have been imagined 60 years ago, the reassuring politics of prosperity have in many parts of the world been replaced by the often violent rhetoric and politics of identity, articulated through religion. This should not surprise us. It is a return to the pattern prevalent in almost all societies through history; for along with language and nationalism, religion is one of the most powerful forces for shaping and energising a community. Not because it is a structure of control (though it is often crushingly that), but because it gives the group a narrative of who they are and what, together, they can become. Religion in its social dimension is less about escapism or consolation, than about hope, new behaviour and the challenge of struggling towards the future.

“We tell ourselves stories in order to live.” Joan Didion’s famous sentence is not a reflection on religion, but it speaks to exactly that compelling need we all have for stories that give shape and significance to our individual lives. Religious stories are part of a similar strategy, but for communal survival. Addressing the conundrums of life and death, they offer not explanation but meaning. As much about the future as the past, they provide a society with a narrative that goes far beyond the self, embracing the living, the dead and those still to be born in one continuing story of belonging. Not surprisingly, evidence from the ice age onwards suggests that societies with such narratives appear better equipped to overcome threats to their existence, to survive and to flourish. At the beginning of the 20th century, the French sociologist Émile Durkheim argued that there can in fact be no society unless it has such shared overarching stories, what he called “an idea that it constructs of itself”: that shared communal idea – or ideal – and its narratives were the precondition of a functioning society. We are, as a group, the stories that we tell about ourselves. If, for whatever reason, we lose or forget those narratives, we collectively no longer exist. In the rituals and ceremonies in which they are enacted, the society may be worshipping a remote, perhaps even a non-existent, god: it is also, Durkheim suggested, venerating an ideal version of itself, which may one day be made real.

Such narratives of faith can create wonderfully potent symbols of solidarity. One example: Hindus in Bengal celebrate every autumn the return of the goddess Durga and her triumph over the forces of evil. To mark the festival they make each year a new statue of the deity. These painted representations of the goddess are made, not by a solitary artist, but in effect by the whole community. Supported by a wicker frame, the bulk of the body is composed of clay. But great efforts are made to incorporate bits of earth from all the different parts of the locality, from rich areas as well as poor. By convention, for the final mix, a priest should beg for some soil from a sex worker’s house, and there should ideally also be some clay from the banks of the Ganges, as Durga has a close connection to the river. The result is that in the temporary statue of the goddess every part of the community – rich and poor, weak and strong – is represented and honoured, and directly connected to the endlessly renewing, life-giving river. The image Durga comes to “inhabit” during her festival that the people venerate thus carries within it the whole place and the whole community, physically and symbolically present. It is an image endlessly made, destroyed and remade by the people themselves. Few political structures have found metaphors so emotionally compelling for a society in which everybody has their place.

The goddess Durga represents the whole place, the whole community … the Durga Puja festival, India. Photograph: Arun Sankar K/AP
The power of such narratives, beliefs and rituals to sustain communities through danger and across centuries is a recurrent fact of history. It is a central part of the story of the Jews after the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70AD and the brutal campaigns of Hadrian; of the people of Ethiopia, alone in Africa in resisting the colonial invaders; and of the African slaves transported to the Americas. In such circumstances, religion offers an architecture of meaning in which people may find shelter and hope. For many today, in areas of economic disruption and dysfunctional states, it may be the only architecture available. And it is surely part of the reason why across much of the world, belief is back.

It is a view of religion with which many Europeans struggle. It is not just that the rational mind rejects as scientifically untrue the theological or mythological frameworks of faith, or that beliefs have over millennia been consciously manipulated by rulers and priests to support the powerful, and to exclude and persecute whole sections of society. The Holocaust and the many moral failures of both Catholic and Protestant churches in the face of Nazi evil have been followed by their long institutional refusals to embrace widely shared ideals of equality. Many find it hard to see here forces that will shape a better world, which perhaps explains the growing focus across the west on the individual quest for truth and for private spirituality.

But this risks blinding us to the power of narratives that articulate an ideal, that offer fulfilment in the context of a community, make demands on everyone, and – above all – hold out hope. It may be a matter for regret, it may represent a failure of secular politics, but it should certainly be no surprise that so many societies now see in such narratives of faith their best way forward.
 

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My take over the ongoing percentage declination of atheists would be coz of population growth & fertility rate. Problem has to be acknowledged that no matter how valid arguments we give, religions are going to stay for long here.

Most of irreligious societies are developed while religious ones are primitive (exceptions are like Arab States & North Korea) and even within the countries, atheism would be limited to educated upper middle class or elites which usually have lower fertility rates & hence population growth rates than their religious compatriots.

The others' regarding that nationalism. Artificial nations created on the grounds of "God's will" will try to affirm its assistance.

Europe and ME should have been individual civilizational countries which are more legitimate and valid than religious identity. West is a whole civilization, middle east & North Africa as whole, central & southern Africa as a whole, Iran as a whole, India & SE Asia as a whole, China & Far East as a whole.

In the same way, India would have been better off being a separate undivided civilization with its own way of life like EU or ME as a whole unless Indians also start to take pride in projecting their magic men to compete with west & ME. And attenuated the entire set of diversified spectrum culture to adhere to theism.
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The another fact is that after decades of western monopoly, developing countries are emerging which have still relatively I'll educated and less inquisitive masses. They are going to take over world but most of them are orthodox.

They are yet to mature and may even commit world war stage through Asia & Africa when west becomes enough weaker & insignificant to intervene in upcoming decades.
Africa has highest population growth rates in the world & their masses are most religious. And till Communist & religious dogmatic nationalism exists, One World Democratic government is going to remain pipe dream of liberals.
China & India aren't going to be last big powers of world!
This hounding & taming game is waiting in next centuries too! Africans or Muslims are going to unite on regional & cultural basis, may be.
 
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Just a general observation. All religions are childish, but certain philosophers have presented very good arguments. Aurobindo, for instance. His idea of God is not some sky daddy nor is it similar to advaita or dvaita. He explains it within an evolutionary context. I would urge agnostics to read some of his works/letters to get a better idea.
Because he was siddha saint one who can establish contact with god. Swami Vivekananda could talk to goddess shakti. So all siddha saints can establish contact to any form of God . Bhagwaan Shiva S
vishnu and Brahma arr one and same Shakti and all her forms are one with shiva(refer ardh narishwar swaroop to understand). Hinduism is all about self realization and attain moksha. Most people here will not understand until they meet people with such exp. Those babas giving lectures on TV are dhingi. Real saints are away from all such worldly things and desires hence unless you have extremely strong inclination towards sadhana or tapasya its unlikely you will meet one such person else god himself will see you meet your true guru. Hinduism will get reestablished in its true form
 
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