The Atheism/Agnosticism Thread

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Advaidhya Tiwari

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I was not asking for the name of jyotishya text (why would I want it)
I'll give you one more chance, give me the name of the text/treatise which you claim describes ' prediction of Buddha's future asceticism based on jyotishya (horoscope as we commonly understand). Ashvagosha' s 'Buddhacarita' does not cut the ice, because, as per the 'Carita', sage Asita, who was living in the the buddhist heaven, was already informed by the gods that the future Buddha was born. So why would the sage need an Astral chart to know about something that he already is aware...

P.S: please try to answer without frothing at the mouth. You always have the option to remain silent and I'll let it pass.
The sage was told this but at the same time the king verified this by calling several Jyotishis to predict the future. All except one told that Siddhartha will become either a great king or a great saint whereas one jyotishi clearly stated that Siddhartha will become a buddha.

Secondly, the sage did check some birth data to comfirm if this child is buddha. It was not spontaneous. Nevertheless, you need only to look at the other jyotishis summoned by the king to see that Jyotishya did exist in 500BC

Don't froth from your mouth by reading only snippets. If you can't reply, you always have the option of remaining silent and I will let it pass
 
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One must notice there is a difference between atheism of Marxist socialism, which communist states and individuals with leftist bent adhere to and the atheism that prevails in western society (namely Western Europe /USA)

Karl Marx's atheism is corollary to his critique of religion. For Marx, man was at the heart of all great shifts in human history, be it shift to farming, birth of civilization, founding of empires, even why religion and God exist. If man was such a powerful agent of change, he contended, why man should surrender his sovereignty to any entity. He found deep contradiction between existence of God and human freewill, since the latter could negate or create the former, hence God did not necessarily exist.

In contrast to Marx's atheism, western Europe (later the USA) came under the sway of Nietzsche's atheism. Nietzsche was greatly influenced by the advances in natural sciences, esp the theory of evolution. In Darwin's new natural philosophy he saw a direct contradiction of the 'Christian morality of good vs evil. Nietzsche analyzed that Christian morality was a result of Roman slaves (early Christians) trying to negotiate a space of equality against their Roman masters. He dismissed Christian morality as slave morality and emphasised that a slaves sense of good(slaves) vs bad(roman master) was contradictory from that of the master. He advocated master morality, characterized by dominance and decadent, unlike the slave morality, characterized by meekness and poverty. Nietzsche's view that Christianity represented a slave moral system, won wide support in western Europe in the 20th century. This explains why the Nazis, who took deep interest in Nietzsche, could be anti communist but also be atheist of the Nietzsche's kind.
 

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The sage was told this but at the same time the king verified this by calling several Jyotishis to predict the future. All except one told that Siddhartha will become either a great king or a great saint whereas one jyotishi clearly stated that Siddhartha will become a buddha.

Secondly, the sage did check some birth data to comfirm if this child is buddha. It was not spontaneous. Nevertheless, you need only to look at the other jyotishis summoned by the king to see that Jyotishya did exist in 500BC

Don't froth from your mouth by reading only snippets. If you can't reply, you always have the option of remaining silent and I will let it pass
So there was another jyotishi Maharaj, other than sage Asita (only person mentioned by buddhist tradition), who predicted Buddha's future asceticism. Who would this be, some direct ancestor of the venerable bejan daruwala... But wait, I know your answer - don't know the name, because the blog where I get my history dump, didn't mention it.
 

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So there was another jyotishi Maharaj, other than sage Asita (only person mentioned by buddhist tradition), who predicted Buddha's future asceticism. Who would this be, some direct ancestor of the venerable bejan daruwala... But wait, I know your answer - don't know the name, because the blog where I get my history dump, didn't mention it.
Wah, excellent logic. You ask questions and you yourself answer it like a retard! The name of the Brahman astrologer who predicted exactly about Siddhartha becoming buddha without second option of becoming a great king is Kaundinya

You can however read Horashastras in search of your hoors. And then describe how Jyotishya has Greek romance instead of talking to the point
 

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Wah, excellent logic. You ask questions and you yourself answer it like a retard! The name of the Brahman astrologer who predicted exactly about Siddhartha becoming buddha without second option of becoming a great king is Kaundinya

You can however read Horashastras in search of your hoors. And then describe how Jyotishya has Greek romance instead of talking to the point
So now we have a new character called 'kaundinya', this is better than sitcom. I suppose it would be too bothersome to as you to provide the source of this information (I'm still waiting for source for the first one). Who says history is boring when it is embellished with so much vivid imagination...
 

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So now we have a new character called 'kaundinya', this is better than sitcom. I suppose it would be too bothersome to as you to provide the source of this information (I'm still waiting for source for the first one). Who says history is boring when it is embellished with so much vivid imagination...
New character as demanded by you. Maybe you are too retarded to know the difference between something you demanded vs something I am telling on my own? If you were really interested in Kaundinya, probably you would have googled it by now and obtained the information. Or are you asking me to paste some copyrighted content of source book on this website?

Anyways, it is indeed too tiresome as you seem to be a person with low IQ and don't seen to have basic common sense to have a logical conversation with. Comparing a sitcom with history shows your level of degeneracy and hence it doesn't make sense to discuss anything with you.
 

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New character as demanded by you. Maybe you are too retarded to know the difference between something you demanded vs something I am telling on my own? If you were really interested in Kaundinya, probably you would have googled it by now and obtained the information. Or are you asking me to paste some copyrighted content of source book on this website?

Anyways, it is indeed too tiresome as you seem to be a person with low IQ and don't seen to have basic common sense to have a logical conversation with. Comparing a sitcom with history shows your level of degeneracy and hence it doesn't make sense to discuss anything with you.
So you won't be Indulging us with any proof then?.... I really was hoping to be enlightened...
 

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So you won't be Indulging us with any proof then?.... I really was hoping to be enlightened...
I can't give proofs for your sitcom entertainment. You might as well watch some BIG BANG theory instead of wasting time here. Your level is suited only for that
 

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Bhadra and company, created new thread
Vedic culture and society

Welcome to discuss horoscope and muhurat over there.

Challenge - show me a single veda mantra which talks about horoscope or muhurat???
Read about Vedangas. Jyotishya is a Vedanga. Horoscope is a written document that has the time of birth and the relevant celestial positions. There is hardly anything special about horoscope other than that it is written document
 

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We have still RUINS of 10+ universities that doesn't mean we have that much only.1000's of other education centers&temples were destroyed without any trace.

https://detechter.com/8-ancient-universities-that-flourished-across-ancient-india/

Regarding Taxila: It is also Buddhist university like more than 90% universities in India and u call Buddhism resulted declining in education!! :rofl:

Gurukul = Mostly ancient days 'one teacher house' it never ever be qualified to call as School forget about university/education.

How do u call Buddha is cult,as he himself DENIED EXISTENCE OF GOD and even said don't worship me .... of-course it corrupted but that is what actual Buddhism IS unlike abrahamic death cults one sky daddy, one book and one worship place.
Even Muhammad has said his followers to not worship him. Even his image or photo was banned by himself. That is why there ia no image of Muhammad anywhere. But still it is a cult. Muhammad stated that God is something that is unthinkable, beyond vision and other senses of man. Buddhism, comparing to this standard, is very similar. Hence, Buddhism is a cult. Buddhism is non-violent and not a death cult, but it is a cult nevertheless.

Gurukulas had one teacher but he gave primary education to the students about all the basics of life, how yo talk, how to fight, how to stitch clothes, how to choose between choices of life etc. It was comprehensive basic education in Gurukulas.

After Gurukulas, children could go to higher education in Takshashila, temples etc. India, sice ancient times, had temples of Shiva and Sun temples where universities existed. The Gurukulas would prepare children for further studies by strengthening foundational basics. Many who were not interested in studies would end their studies after Gurukulas but those interested and capable would continue into Universities.

Takshashila was not buddhist by any means. Takshashila existed for 5000 years whereas Buddhism only came after 500BC as Buddha himself was born in 570-580 BC. Buddhists only had viharas and not universities. All universities were founded by Brahmans, though some eventually also included Buddhist studies. Nalanda, for example, was founded by Brahmans under Gupta empire but eventually became hub of Buddhism as demand for Buddhist studies increased.

Overall, in buddhism, there is no education as it is just following Buddha's words. Just saying the same thing again and again is not helpful in education. Hence, Buddhism resulted in decline of education, not improvement of education
 

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More than 90% universities were started by Buddhist kings/monasteries .... Brahmins r doing the same thing from 5000 years ''chanting Sanskrit mantras in-front of idols'', nothing else.

Don't gloat about 'one teacher house' it is just a dummy play school nothing else.
Talking of Buddhist kings opening schools is a joke as school existed before 500BC, which is before buddha. There has been Ayurveda (Charaka, Sushrutha), astrology (Buddha's future was predicted by asttologers) even before Buddha.

Brahmans were after knowledge. There was never idol worshipping. Did you hear dronacharya, Parashuram worshipping idols? Idols were started by buddhist people who started getting Buddha's artifacts as souvenir. This turned into idol worshipping.

Brahmans were scientists whereas Buddhist monks simply follow one man's words. How can entire world run by one man's words?

I agree that buddha didn't intend to make a religion. But the Buddhists became fanatical and started it themselves like a chain reaction. So, Buddha was completely different from Muhammad. Nevertheless, buddhism is still a cult,not logical way of life.
 

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Jinasena; 9th century Digambara Jain monk, patronised by Rashtrakuta Emperor & scholar himself, Amoghavarsha (known as Ashoka of the south, son of Govinda III, grandson of Dhruva Dharavarsha - two of India’s greatest warrior kings)

Mahapurana is the source of the famous quote, used by Carl Sagan and many others:


“Some foolish men declare that Creator made the world. The doctrine that the world was created is ill-advised, and should be rejected. If god created the world, where was he before creation? If you say he was transcendent then, and needed no support, where is he now?

No single being had the skill to make the world - for how can an immaterial god create that which is material?

How could god have made the world without any raw material? If you say he made this first, and then the world, you are faced with an endless regression. If you declare that the raw material arose naturally you fall into another fallacy, for the whole universe might thus have been its own creator, and have risen equally naturally. If god created the world by an act of will, without any raw material, then it is just his will made nothing else and who will believe this silly stuff?

If he is ever perfect, and complete, how could the will to create have arisen in him? If, on the other hand, he is not perfect, he could no more create the universe than a potter could.

If he is formless, actionless, and all-embracing, how could he have created the world? Such a soul, devoid of all modality, would have no desire to create anything.

If you say that he created to no purpose, because it was his nature to do so then god is pointless.

If he created in some kind of sport, it was the sport of a foolish child, leading to trouble.

If he created out of love for living things and for need of them he made the world; why did he not make creation wholly blissful, free from misfortune?

Thus the doctrine that the world was created by god makes no sense at all.”
 
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Ya Haldilal Nibba, Your Friends are not reliable source to prove or disprove anything.
If you have Ravi in second name then it is most likely to be followed by a hidden Christian last name.
Christian converts claiming to be Atheist is very common tactic.
Though it still can be true that she is not a convert and follows Hinduism only but don't rely on these debunks from "friends".
Ya'll Nibbiars she is not Hindu thats clears. She is Atheist. Sawal hi nahi ata if she is Christrian or a muslim. The bottom line is she is not Hindu.
 

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There is nothing called Atheist in India. Everyone is covertly Christian or Muslim.
Ya'll Nibbiars Kabhi dekh into Atheist ko they are more extreme than anything. And they have softcover tir the Christrian and Muslims.
 

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I was told that one can be atheist and still Hindu?

There is a valid branch of atheism in Hinduism.
Ya'll Nibbiars Atheist is not allowed in Hinduism. Its that's we don't kill them like in other religions but just discard them
 

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Ya'll Nibbiars Kabhi dekh into Atheist ko they are more extreme than anything. And they have softcover tir the Christrian and Muslims.
That is why I am saying that there is no one Atheist in Indian context. They all claim to be one until you find one day them to be christian or muslim.
 

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That is why I am saying that there is no one Atheist in Indian context. They all claim to be one until you find one day them to be christian or muslim.
Ya'll Nibbiars then you meant to say my cousin is a probably a Christian or a Muslim?.
 
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