Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[WolfPack86]

India, Russia Negotiating To Upgrade 194 Su-30MKIs To Super Sukhois For $8bn

 

[Yumdoot]

Production rate of Su-30MKI by HAL is now 20 per annum.

If the IAF managers cries about numbers now, just get the licences extended.

 

[gadeshi]

Production rate of Su-30MKI by HAL is now 20 per annum.

If the IAF managers cries about numbers now, just get the licences extended.[emoji317]

And for a moderate price tag with an upgrade option

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[HariPrasad-1]

Super sukhois shall be the real A$$ kicker. Are they going to change engine?

 

[Lions Of Punjab]

India to modernize 194 Su-30MKI fighters

SOURCE: RUSSIA & INDIA REPORT

India has accelerated negotiations to begin the modernization of 194 Su-30MKI fighters, worth $ 8 billion, with Russia, reports the Defence News portal. The Indian Defence Ministry plans to upgrade the status of these fighters to 5th generation aircraft. The updated aircraft will be named ‘Super Sukhoi’.”

The Russian delegation visited New Delhi in early July to discuss the modernization of the aircraft. The contract should be signed within the next four to six months,” Defence News reported, quoting its source in the Defence Ministry. The source said India was planning to upgrade 272 fighters in all and appeared confident that the programme “will not hurt the project of joint development of FGFA (fifth generation fighter aircraft) costing $ 25 billion”.

However, retired Air Marshal M Mathesvaran had a different opinion. He said, “the modernization of the Su-30 FGFA will definitely slow down the FGFA project.” He believes the Indian Air Force would prefer to “maximize the modernization of the Su-30” rather than the new FGFA, the building of which will cost the country much more. Another representative of the Indian Air Force believes that a modernized Su-30 cannot be compared with the FGFA, and that both projects will be implemented in parallel.

“The FGFA has a number of features that the Super Sukhoi does not. This includes an internal placement of weapons, improved stealth performance, integrated combat electronic system, cruising at supersonic speed. The Su-30 cannot be converted into a barely visible plane. Any alteration of the aircraft wing and materials to enhance its stealth capability will be very expensive and take a lot of time, and almost cost as much as the new project. The FGFA project as a whole cannot be closed because of the modernization of the Su-30,” he explained. A Russian diplomat in New Delhi reportedly told the publication that “a contract for modernization of the aircraft version of Super Sukhoi has already been signed. The prototype will be made in Russia, and the modernization will be carried out in the facilities of the Indian state-owned company, Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.”

idrw.org . Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website , Kindly don't post our articles on other copycat websites http://idrw.org/india-modernize-194-su-30mki-fighters/ .

 

[BillabonG]

"The Indian Defence Ministry plans to upgrade the status of these fighters to 5th generation aircraft. The updated aircraft will be named ‘Super Sukhoi’." 5Th Generation?

 

[Yumdoot]

Some things are meant for the Archives. Here's one:

However, retired Air Marshal M Mathesvaran had a different opinion. He said, “the modernization of the Su-30 FGFA will definitely slow down the FGFA project.” He believes the Indian Air Force would prefer to “maximize the modernization of the Su-30”
idrw.org/india-modernize-194-su-30mki-fighters/

The Stratfor daru party had some desi Tharra served there.

And Matheswaran sahib, this is for real - Nitish Kumar has backtracked on banning Taadi (Indian Made Indian Liquor in those parts of India).

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

There is an article in idrw stating that the cost of upgrading su-30mki costs more than $8 billion dollars...

Bhai that is for 200 aircrafts not only for 36

Read understand and post complete things
Don't go half cocked

PS

On reading the article it mentions upgrade of complete fleet of 270 aircrafts

 

[PaliwalWarrior]

8 billion for upgrade of 192 fighters

V/s

9 billion for purchase of 36

 

[Zebra]

8 billion for upgrade of 192 fighters

V/s

9 billion for purchase of 36

$8 billion ....!

That too on old aircrafts ....?

Instead, add another $s in it and buy all new 192 F-15 Silent Eagle with make in India.

It will help to improve squadron strength also.

My two cents.

 

[Yumdoot]

My two cents.

Surprising! you know the real worth.

Anyhow if all you lovers of western kit can get that deal you mention, I promise tum logon ko shagun ki daru mein pilaunga. Nehla dunga. Tumhari Cars mein bhar kar tum logon ko, duba-duba ke................ duba-duba ke ...............duba-duba ke............pilaunga.

The $29.4 billion deal -- announced against the backdrop of rising tensions with Iran -- calls for the production of up to 84 new F-15SA aircraft and the modernization of 70 current F-15s
edition.cnn.com/2011/12/29/world/meast/u-s--saudi-fighter-sale/
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/29/world/meast/u-s--saudi-fighter-sale/

 

[delta]

$8 billion ....!

That too on old aircrafts ....?

Instead, add another $s in it and buy all new 192 F-15 Silent Eagle with make in India.

It will help to improve squadron strength also.

My two cents.

has Silent Eagle been procured by any air force? that's a genuine question, and not a taunt.

afaik, the f-15 is older than the su-30 too. no idea though if the Silent Eagle is a better bet than Super Sukhoi. though you do have a valid point of 'make in india', but i highly doubt the US will allow for that on a satisfactory basis. could be a logistics/maintenance nightmare though, having a whole new aircraft in the inventory.

can anyone shed some light on the merits/demerits of Zebra's proposal though?

 

[Indx TechStyle]

India Wants Fleet of 1,317 MPH Next-Gen Russian ‘Super Sukhoi’ Fighter Jets
New Delhi and Moscow near an $8 billion deal to upgrade the fearsome Su-30MKI fighter jet into the Super Sukhoi, but the deal does not threaten the joint Indo-Russia fifth-generation fighter aircraft (FGFA) program.

Negotiations between New Delhi and Moscow have ramped up with India planning to upgrade 194 warplanes to become fifth-generation Sukhoi SU-30MKI fighter jets at a cost of more than $8 billion, Defense News reported this week.

Defense News quoted an anonymous senior official at India’s Ministry of Defense who said, "A Russian team was in New Delhi earlier this month to discuss [the] upgrade plan with India, which will be finalized in the next four to six months."

The new planes will be known as "Super Sukhoi" jets with upgrades featuring improved stealth abilities, longer ranger missiles and radars, a supersonic cruise missile and an advanced suite of avionics.

"A major part of the upgrade involves avionics and sensors," said Muthumanikam Matheswaran, a retired Indian Air Force officer. "These are completely new with new systems and new software. Hence it has no relation to old problems with software. Engine issues will have to be dealt with."

According to an anonymous Russian diplomat, a prototype of the plane will be developed in Russia while the actual upgrades will be done at India’s state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited.

The Indian Air Force confirmed that the Su-30MKI upgrade will not impact the proposed Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) program – worth $25 billion. Analysts believe, however, that a possible diversion of India’s defense funds towards the Super Sukhoi could delay the FGFA.

India and Russia first signed a Prelminary Development Agreement in 2011 to jointly build the FGFA, but a final agreement which will require a roughly $6 billion payment by New Delhi towards the development of the fighter jet has yet to be inked as the two sides continue to negotiate issues relating to production work share.

Asked about the rationale of pursuing the substantial and costly upgrades to India’s existing SU-30MKI fighter jets rather than purchasing new aircrafts whole, Matheswaran explained, "An upgrade at the maximum will be about half the cost of the original aircraft in Su-30 generation. A new aircraft in place of Su-30 means FGA, which is far more expensive."

Dajit Singh, a retired IAF Air Marshal and defense analyst, explained that there will be significant differences between the upgraded Super Sukhoi and the coming FGFA fighter jet.

"FGFA has some distinct features, which Super Su-30MKI will not have," said Singh. "These include internal weapon-carrying bays to enhance stealth features, integrated internal fit of the electronic warfare suite, super-cruise capability and inherent stealth design."

“Su-30 cannot be redesigned as a stealth aircraft,” Singh continued. "Any changes of the wing design and material to improve stealth would be very expensive and time consuming and would be akin to a different design. Therefore, the FGFA project may not be canceled in total in view of the Su-30 upgrade."

 

[Zebra]

Surprising! you know the real worth.

Anyhow if all you lovers of western kit can get that deal you mention, I promise tum logon ko shagun ki daru mein pilaunga. Nehla dunga. Tumhari Cars mein bhar kar tum logon ko, duba-duba ke................ duba-duba ke ...............duba-duba ke............pilaunga.

That SA deal you talk about. It will be always like that. Petrodollars may be ....!

I give you another example, check Indian Navy's 16 S-70B helicopter price and just 9 numbers of MH-60s for SA.

 

[Zebra]

has Silent Eagle been procured by any air force? that's a genuine question, and not a taunt.

afaik, the f-15 is older than the su-30 too. no idea though if the Silent Eagle is a better bet than Super Sukhoi. though you do have a valid point of 'make in india', but i highly doubt the US will allow for that on a satisfactory basis. could be a logistics/maintenance nightmare though, having a whole new aircraft in the inventory.

can anyone shed some light on the merits/demerits of Zebra's proposal though?

At the end of the day it will be on F-15 Eagle platform.

At least it has top speed of 1,650 mph and has combat radius of 1,480 km .

On top of it , has internal weapon bays also.

Again, my two cents though.

 

[Narasimh]

$8 billion ....!

That too on old aircrafts ....?

Instead, add another $s in it and buy all new 192 F-15 Silent Eagle with make in India.

It will help to improve squadron strength also.

My two cents.

Su-30 better than F-15 (Silent or not) any day!

 

[Zebra]

The $29.4 billion deal -- announced against the backdrop of rising tensions with Iran -- calls for the production of up to 84 new F-15SA aircraft and the modernization of 70 current F-15s
edition.cnn.com/2011/12/29/world/meast/u-s--saudi-fighter-sale/
http://edition.cnn.com/2011/12/29/world/meast/u-s--saudi-fighter-sale/

People don't talk all the items, which are covered in that particular deal.

This is the big trouble when we talk about any weapon deal with US.

On top of it, they are special aircrafts.

Named 'Advanced F-15SA'.

 

[Zebra]

Su-30 better than F-15 (Silent or not) any day!

Let them get F-15s first.

Then we will compare it.

 

[smestarz]

Going by these nos given, that will be roughly 30 million per plane for upgrade.
Now these upgrades will also allow the planes to carry and fire Brahmos A presently and Brahmos NG in future.
Also whatever IAF wants in its plane it can ask.. Maybe like Missile approach Warning system if it wants, It will be getting AESA for sure, and maybe a more powerful engine. Further few more techs to make the plane have lower RCS and carry more load.. Just to make a point that is roughly half price of what we pay for NEW Su-30 MKI. Further comparing "apples to oranges" upgrade of Mirage 2000 cost us about 50 million per plane, And it did not bring in a new engine or AESA or anything that had 5th Gen tech. Rather it was more like blow some dust off, and then send the plane back to india with new radar codes... 50 million per plane ,, worth it? Even Tejas has better specs and more capable than upgraded Mirage 2000 the cost of upgrade which is almost 135% of new Tejas..
Su-30MKI is already more than a match for Rafale and getting it super sukhoi upgrades will make it a giant killer.
Maybe we should also check if there is possibility of havin sensors and jammers for active cancellation,, then no more talk of exaggerated SPECTRA.. By the way during the testing by IAF during MMRCA. did IAF check the SPECTRA? And yet if they feel that Rafale and Eurofighter are equal in performance, then surely SPECTRA is really not that capable.. just marketing hype.
Hope there is chance of internal Targeting pod, that will leave one pylon free for weapon
MAWS, (IAF did not bother to have it first time,, shows the "vision" of IAF top brass)
Active Jammers (based on GaN modules)

F-15 is a good plane, they are competetive to Su-30 MKI, so why take two planes that have similar profile?

what we need is something that can bring engine ToT so that we can develop our own engines and Single crystal blades (SCB) for our own engines. and few other technology to help us make better engines

$8 billion ....!

That too on old aircrafts ....?

Instead, add another $s in it and buy all new 192 F-15 Silent Eagle with make in India.

It will help to improve squadron strength also.

My two cents.

 

[Zebra]

Going by these nos given, that will be roughly 30 million per plane for upgrade.

And cost of Su- 27/30 is about $35-37 million per new plane. If I am not wrong.

Now these upgrades will also allow the planes to carry and fire Brahmos A presently and Brahmos NG in future.
Also whatever IAF wants in its plane it can ask.. Maybe like Missile approach Warning system if it wants, It will be getting AESA for sure, and maybe a more powerful engine. Further few more techs to make the plane have lower RCS and carry more load.. Just to make a point that is roughly half price of what we pay for NEW Su-30 MKI. Further comparing "apples to oranges" upgrade of Mirage 2000 cost us about 50 million per plane, And it did not bring in a new engine or AESA or anything that had 5th Gen tech. Rather it was more like blow some dust off, and then send the plane back to india with new radar codes... 50 million per plane ,, worth it? Even Tejas has better specs and more capable than upgraded Mirage 2000 the cost of upgrade which is almost 135% of new Tejas.
Su-30MKI is already more than a match for Rafale and getting it super sukhoi upgrades will make it a giant killer.
Maybe we should also check if there is possibility of havin sensors and jammers for active cancellation,, then no more talk of exaggerated SPECTRA.. By the way during the testing by IAF during MMRCA. did IAF check the SPECTRA? And yet if they feel that Rafale and Eurofighter are equal in performance, then surely SPECTRA is really not that capable.. just marketing hype.
Hope there is chance of internal Targeting pod, that will leave one pylon free for weapon
MAWS, (IAF did not bother to have it first time,, shows the "vision" of IAF top brass)
Active Jammers (based on GaN modules)

That is bcz of idiotic choice of IAF , our politicians and our bureaucrats.

F-15 is a good plane, they are competetive to Su-30 MKI, so why take two planes that have similar profile?

F-15 can carry all the weapons which F/A-18 can .

On top of it, F-15 has better range and speed.

It can't be use from aircraft carrier though.

what we need is something that can bring engine ToT so that we can develop our own engines and Single crystal blades (SCB) for our own engines. and few other technology to help us make better engines

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