but according to one technocrat here wing loading is related to passenger aircraft and has no relation to fighters.And deltas will always bleed energy and only fighters with long fuselage and short wings are good fighters.
Yefim Gordon in his book Russian Air Power mentions that R-77M under development will a fatter booster and higher specfic impulse solid porpellent giving it a range of 140-145 Km.
Has the RVV-BD version been inducted into IAF?
when the war come you will know, till then let it be state secret.
Hmm, I never read that book.
Ok I mentioned those what was off my head but I checked the book and this is what it says , I will just quote it directly
Both missile have their own advantage , RVV-BD is good to take out high value but low manouvering targets like AWACS ,JSTARS or Low Flying Cruise missiles at long range ( ~200 km ) but when it comes to say dealing with high manouvering targets like fighter aircraft that knows its under attack and tries hard manouvering or countermeasures then the range is drastically reduced , for eg the R-37M of which RVV-BD is an export variant is metioned to have a range of 280 Km against such high value targets when fired from a Mig-31M but against a manouvering fighter the effective range is reduced to 150 km.
He isn't talking about differences between R-77M and RVV-SD. He's talking about R-77M and 180-PD which seems to be an entirely different missile.
This range is okay. 110-140Km is quite like what's quoted for Aim-120C7. 110Km range at cruising speed at high altitude.
That is not correct. There are two flight profiles for Meteor. At its longest range, the Meteor will function the same as other conventional missiles. That's because it needs to retain as much fuel as possible in order to reach its max range.
Super MKI
The contract for 140 sukhois were signed back in 2000. Can any advancement in radar after the signing of contract make its way into the newer MKIs? Doesn't seem very plausible.
Yes i am aware of that , I mentioned those details since the specs of RVV-SD is known and is there on their website , R-77M and 180-PD is more modern development . The russians are keeping a tight wrap on PAK-FA A2A Missile development so i think we will have to wait may be until MAKS 2013 or 2015 we will get clear details.
RVV-SD has range of 110 Km for R-77M it will be 140 km. Again a lot depends on the flight profile and how the target is co-operative/non-cooperative.
Do you have any thing from MBDA on it , The 100 Km effective range is for non-cooperative targests that knows its under attacks and tries to kinimetically and electronically defeat it.
Of course it can. Such big deals are not just one contract. They are a multitude of contracts signed with hundreds of vendors.
But since HAL is manufacturing all major components of MKI at home now with ToT, any advancement will require further ToT from the Russians. How do you account for that?
110-140Km is not an exact measure without knowing under what conditions they were fired in. In the passage you quoted he mentions 110-140Km. That could mean 110Km fired at subsonic speed while 140Km may be range fired at a particular supersonic speed. This matches with the claims for C7 and you can say even RVV-SD.
The 100Km range is quite like the claim for C7 or RVV-SD. It is impossible for a missile to defeat a maneuvering target at it's maximum range. Theoretically possible, practically impossible.
Not enough air.
Contracts over contracts. IAF will sign a contract with Dassault for Rafale and then Dassault will choose vendors based on MoDs choice and then signs another contract with those home grown vendors like Reliance or HAL. That's what they were trying to do with Rafale and Reliance.
Yes, but once that contract is signed with the vendors, and Dassault makes an advancement after that, why will they be willing to give it to us? They are not under any legal boundation to do so. Moreover, that would require continuous ToT till MKI production carries on, which should slow down the MKI production rate as well.
