Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[SARTHAK]

btw it was mig 29 which helped india deter f16 in 1999

 

[Ghost hale]

You
Ranting to much & showing nothing
And gerrymandering with sentences.

Western nations equipments proved there metal.against
Russian weapons in various wars in last 50 years

Whenever they pitted against the against them.

As for Pattons and also had brirish Centurions
Which infact proved better
Also india adopted better tactics

The huge Advantage PAF had over india in 1965 due Having a Sidewinder equipped Fighters
While india lacked it.

If have You such data for Russians then please put forward.

Or perhaps u leave it.

R u really comparing whole block of nations with one country? That comparison is flawed in itself.

 

[WARREN SS]

Superiority against what?

You send an airforce that is trained and lavishly funded against countries that are under sanctions with virtually no funds. Then you turn and tell me their airforce are superb.
If you stack Rafale versus an old MIG 23 what do you expect.

If I fully subscribe to your views then it's not possible for IAF to achieve the F-16 kill with the MIG 21...

From what I read and understood and may be I'm wrong Russians have acknowledged their fund crunch and chose not to go full tech. Instead cost rationalisation use your scarce budget to fight asymmetric against superior COMBiNeD forces.

A backward nation so to speak cannot deliver armata concept, develop a SU 34 when it's economy was at its lowest in 1990s.

IAF always regarded its own aircraft to be upgraded with Mixture of both

That is why Su-30 is MKI not SU-30SM

IAF is using Combinations of Western and indian avionics in its planes since decades now

That is why we use combinations of French, Israelis ,Indian avionics

F-16 that Pakistan use is technolocally at par with Indian one accept having better radar
Iaf upgrade it with HMDS with better IR CCM
And Israelis EW

Major factor which contributed was Training & experience that is what makes you perfect
Probably you have not heard about Cope india exercises that IAF do with US regularly since 15 years

But Even in that Sense its anomaly
Such anomalies happend many times in war
But rare like shooting down of F117
Like Turkish F-16 was shot by mere MANAPAD in Syria

Read about battle of longewala
How 120 Indian soldiers pitted against
2 armoured battalions of Pakistan army +
Infantry.

Combat is uncertain territory
But Western nations equipments proved its worth by far over Russians every time.

 

[WARREN SS]

btw it was mig 29 which helped india deter f16 in 1999

That is because it was not equipped with BVR's while
Migs had R-27

 

[WARREN SS]

R u really comparing whole block of nations with one country? That comparison is flawed in itself.

Let's compare USA vs Russia only
F-15 record of 105 kills is enough for you

 

[Ghost hale]

Let's compare USA vs Russia only
F-15 record of 105 kills is enough for you

F-15
As of 8 January 2014, 123 USAF F-15 aircraft had been destroyed in mishaps, with 52 fatalities. This was a lifetime average of 2.93 aircraft destroyed per year, or 1.99 aircraft destroyed per 100,000 flight hours.

 

[WARREN SS]

F-15
As of 8 January 2014, 123 USAF F-15 aircraft had been destroyed in mishaps, with 52 fatalities. This was a lifetime average of 2.93 aircraft destroyed per year, or 1.99 aircraft destroyed per 100,000 flight hours.

Lol Why you quoting Flying incidents
I mean should we quote which IAF fighter regarded as flying coffin

Compare serviceability of Engines with western aircrafts service life
Western R&D is top notch.

 

[Ghost hale]

Lol Why you quoting Flying incidents
I mean should we quote which IAF fighter regarded as flying coffin

Somebody said US upgrades their aircrafts regularly unlike russia. Just wanted to point this out. Also read the 123 lost. Not all are so called "Flying incidents". This is just propoganda machine of west or specifically US churning "incidents".

 

[WARREN SS]

Somebody said US upgrades their aircrafts regularly unlike russia. Just wanted to point this out.

Yes upgrades and modernization
US does that because it has fund

India spend 100 billion $ a year on its R&D
Which will increased to 200 billion by 2025
While Russians
Spending 60 % of its budget for maintenance of huge Cold war legacy infrastructure
And ICBM laden Nukes

With there economy of 1.4 trillion $

Above guy is still living in Coldwar era obsessed with USSR supremacy.

 

[Ghost hale]

Yes upgrades and modernization
US does that because it has fund

India spend 100 billion $ a year on its R&D
Which will increased to 200 billion by 2025
While Russians
Spending 60 % of its budget for maintenance of huge Cordarone legacy infrastructure
And ICBM laden Nukes

With there economy of 1.4 trillion $

Above guy is still living in Coldwar era obsessed with USSR supremacy.

Read the 123 lost. Not all are so called "Flying incidents". This is just propoganda machine of west or specifically US churning "incidents".
Its great to be such a believer in R&D. "US does that because it has fund" . Thats the whole point. US is not that great. They just have more chances of failure because of huge load of green. If its green u want to compare US is way ahead. Russia is working as per what they have with current world scenario. Their arms lack but are still world class in almost complete arms spectrum and in some world beating like S400 and T14.
Anyways indian industry have great software options and are working on hardware. Mostly we should be self sufficient in few decades. So no need of US or russian inputs then.

 

[SARTHAK]

i think we should stop arguing on such topics just because man behind the machine play a big role in it, many incidents have proved it so no point comparing moreover both nations be it russia or usa are ahead of each other in some or the other fields, it is not that usa is ultimate or Russia is the ultimate power

 

[Bhurki]

btw it was mig 29 which helped india deter f16 in 1999

Those were F-16 Block 15 .
The newer ones (Block 52) are not something a mig-29 can manage.

 

[armyofhind]

Those were F-16 Block 15 .
The newer ones (Block 52) are not something a mig-29 can manage.

Yeah, but a Mig-29UPG can, which is what most Indian Mig-29's are now

 

[WARREN SS]

Read the 123 lost. Not all are so called "Flying incidents". This is just propoganda machine of west or specifically US churning "incidents".
Its great to be such a believer in R&D. "US does that because it has fund" . Thats the whole point. US is not that great. They just have more chances of failure because of huge load of green. If its green u want to compare US is way ahead. Russia is working as per what they have with current world scenario. Their arms lack but are still world class in almost complete arms spectrum and in some world beating like S400 and T14.
Anyways indian industry have great software options and are working on hardware. Mostly we should be self sufficient in few decades. So no need of US or russian inputs then.

Bro You really need to read about
Technology generation gap

US pioneer in military Technology because its have
They created F-22 when 99 % of world airforce were
Barely managing 4 gen.

Even now there is nothing that can beat it.
Chinese are struggling with there fighter to barely make it par with rafale and European standards.

India is already ahead in many technical qualifications than Russians

We lagged behind due Are socialist policies
Which still deep-rooted in our mindsets.

India will out pace Russians in every core Technology by end of this decade only.

Infact we already leading ahead in many fields
We are at par with them

Specifically the radar,And Seeker Technology ,Even
Anti aircrafts weapons ,Atgms etc

Avaibility of joint R&D access to various Western nations
Programs what made us lead ahead.
India has now money which is what matters in the world

 

[Ghost hale]

Bro You really need reas about
Technology
US pioneer in Technology
They created F-22 when 99 % of world airforce were
Barely managing 4 gen.

Even now there is nothing that can beat it.
Chinese are struggling with there fighter to barely make it par with rafale and European standards.

I read a lot. US is good in engine and most things related to fighter jets. True. F-22 is best stealth A2A dominance jet. True. China makes shitty jets. No doubt.
Does that end technology. Best A2A missile - meteor. Best air defence - S400. Best tank - T14 better than abrams. EW suite - spectra. Space program - Russia. So i read tech, its just u read more US propaganda too. US is great at many things(propaganda included), it doesn't mean others are not doing anything. I just wanted to point that. Different countries have different tech superiority region that doesn't make anyone inferior.

India is already ahead in many technical qualifications than Russians

We lagged behind due Are socialist policies
Which still deep-rooted in our mindsets.

India will out pace Russians in every core Technology by end of this decade only.

Infact we already leading ahead in many fields
We are at par with them

Specifically the radar,And Seeker Technology ,Even
Anti aircrafts weapons ,Atgms etc

Avaibility of joint R&D access to various Western nations
Programs what made us lead ahead.
India has now money which is what matters in the world

Again true. India has superior electronic culture currently but for radars, we don't know about zhuk aesa and various ground radars so that statement is debatable. But yes we are on right path. Engine in this decade? Nuke sub tech, AIP maturity? There are lot of fields men. We are working and will be self sufficient but should keep realistic goals and approach.
Last thing, FYI AK203 TOT deal to be signed this year.

 

[WARREN SS]

I read a lot. US is good in engine and most things related to fighter jets. True. F-22 is best stealth A2A dominance jet. True. China makes shitty jets. No doubt.
Does that end technology. Best A2A missile - meteor. Best air defence - S400. Best tank - T14 better than abrams. EW suite - spectra. Space program - Russia. So i read tech, its just u read more US propaganda too. US is great at many things(propaganda included), it doesn't mean others are not doing anything. I just wanted to point that. Different countries have different tech superiority region that doesn't make anyone inferior.


Again true. India has superior electronic culture currently but for radars, we don't know about zhuk aesa and various ground radars so that statement is debatable. But yes we are on right path. Engine in this decade? Nuke sub tech, AIP maturity? There are lot of fields men. We are working and will be self sufficient but should keep realistic goals and approach.
Last thing, FYI AK203 TOT deal to be signed this year.

You are newbie it seems and new on DFI
Kindly go through various threads it will help you to grasp detailed data on Tactical Air defense systems

No S-400 is not best air defense infact all
S-100 series itself has reliability issues
And has security flaws
(infact india is forced consider it just to please Russians Geopolitically)
We already has on par air defense Systems
In fact LR SAM is more sophisticated and reliable
Platform against Drones and Fighters than
S-100 series

There is various times Israelis and aircrafts openly
Out witted them
In Syria and Iran in all middle east

S-400 basically a upgraded S-300
Nothing special about A simple harpy drone will take out
Or Stand off
Here look what Israel developed for S-400

 

[WARREN SS]

I read a lot. US is good in engine and most things related to fighter jets. True. F-22 is best stealth A2A dominance jet. True. China makes shitty jets. No doubt.
Does that end technology. Best A2A missile - meteor. Best air defence - S400. Best tank - T14 better than abrams. EW suite - spectra. Space program - Russia. So i read tech, its just u read more US propaganda too. US is great at many things(propaganda included), it doesn't mean others are not doing anything. I just wanted to point that. Different countries have different tech superiority region that doesn't make anyone inferior.


Again true. India has superior electronic culture currently but for radars, we don't know about zhuk aesa and various ground radars so that statement is debatable. But yes we are on right path. Engine in this decade? Nuke sub tech, AIP maturity? There are lot of fields men. We are working and will be self sufficient but should keep realistic goals and approach.
Last thing, FYI AK203 TOT deal to be signed this year.

We have huge Capex and R&D
Russian doesn't

They have maintain there hundreds nukes Laden ICBM s with economy of 1.4 trillion

 

[Ghost hale]

You are fanboi it seems and new on DFI
Kindly go through various threads it will help you to grasp

No S-400 is not best air defense infact all
S-100 series itself has reliability issues
And has security flaws
(infact india is forced consider it just to please Russians Geopolitically)
We already has on par air defense Systems
In fact LR SAM is more sophisticated and reliable
Platform against Drones and Fighters than
S-100 series

There is various times Israelis and aircrafts openly
Out witted them
In Syria and Iran in all middle east

S-400 basically a upgraded S-300
Nothing special about A simple harpy drone will take out
Or Stand off
Here look what Israel developed for S-400

Last Post on this. Have u heard tiered air defence. S400 is outermost layer. Read man. And u are the one stuck on US not me. So no fan boy.

 

[Ghost hale]

We have huge Capex and R&D
Russian doesn't

They have maintain there hundreds nukes Laden ICBM s with economy of 1.4 trillion

Read my post. Different countries have different techs. Russia is not best, nor US, nor India. No one is best in everything.

 

[WARREN SS]

Read my post. Different countries have different techs. Russia is not best, nor US, nor India. No one is best in everything.

Lol please quoted me one tech area where Russians are better than USA on even Europeans