R u really comparing whole block of nations with one country? That comparison is flawed in itself.You
Ranting to much & showing nothing
And gerrymandering with sentences.
Western nations equipments proved there metal.against
Russian weapons in various wars in last 50 years
Whenever they pitted against the against them.
As for Pattons and also had brirish Centurions
Which infact proved better
Also india adopted better tactics
The huge Advantage PAF had over india in 1965 due Having a Sidewinder equipped Fighters
While india lacked it.
If have You such datafor Russians then please put forward.
Or perhaps u leave it.
IAF always regarded its own aircraft to be upgraded with Mixture of bothSuperiority against what?
You send an airforce that is trained and lavishly funded against countries that are under sanctions with virtually no funds. Then you turn and tell me their airforce are superb.
If you stack Rafale versus an old MIG 23 what do you expect.
If I fully subscribe to your views then it's not possible for IAF to achieve the F-16 kill with the MIG 21...
From what I read and understood and may be I'm wrong Russians have acknowledged their fund crunch and chose not to go full tech. Instead cost rationalisation use your scarce budget to fight asymmetric against superior COMBiNeD forces.
A backward nation so to speak cannot deliver armata concept, develop a SU 34 when it's economy was at its lowest in 1990s.
That is because it was not equipped with BVR's whilebtw it was mig 29 which helped india deter f16 in 1999
Let's compare USA vs Russia onlyR u really comparing whole block of nations with one country? That comparison is flawed in itself.
F-15Let's compare USA vs Russia only
F-15 record of 105 kills is enough for you
LolF-15
As of 8 January 2014, 123 USAF F-15 aircraft had been destroyed in mishaps, with 52 fatalities. This was a lifetime average of 2.93 aircraft destroyed per year, or 1.99 aircraft destroyed per 100,000 flight hours.
Somebody said US upgrades their aircrafts regularly unlike russia. Just wanted to point this out. Also read the 123 lost. Not all are so called "Flying incidents". This is just propoganda machine of west or specifically US churning "incidents".LolWhy you quoting Flying incidents
I mean should we quote which IAF fighter regarded as flying coffin![]()
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Yes upgrades and modernizationSomebody said US upgrades their aircrafts regularly unlike russia. Just wanted to point this out.
Read the 123 lost. Not all are so called "Flying incidents". This is just propoganda machine of west or specifically US churning "incidents".Yes upgrades and modernization
US does that because it has fund
India spend 100 billion $ a year on its R&D
Which will increased to 200 billion by 2025
While Russians
Spending 60 % of its budget for maintenance of huge Cordarone legacy infrastructure
And ICBM laden Nukes
With there economy of 1.4 trillion $
Above guy is still living in Coldwar era obsessed with USSR supremacy.
Those were F-16 Block 15 .btw it was mig 29 which helped india deter f16 in 1999
Yeah, but a Mig-29UPG can, which is what most Indian Mig-29's are nowThose were F-16 Block 15 .
The newer ones (Block 52) are not something a mig-29 can manage.
Bro You really need to read aboutRead the 123 lost. Not all are so called "Flying incidents". This is just propoganda machine of west or specifically US churning "incidents".
Its great to be such a believer in R&D. "US does that because it has fund" . Thats the whole point. US is not that great. They just have more chances of failure because of huge load of green. If its green u want to compare US is way ahead. Russia is working as per what they have with current world scenario. Their arms lack but are still world class in almost complete arms spectrum and in some world beating like S400 and T14.
Anyways indian industry have great software options and are working on hardware. Mostly we should be self sufficient in few decades. So no need of US or russian inputs then.
I read a lot. US is good in engine and most things related to fighter jets. True. F-22 is best stealth A2A dominance jet. True. China makes shitty jets. No doubt.Bro You really need reas about
Technology
US pioneer in Technology
They created F-22 when 99 % of world airforce were
Barely managing 4 gen.
Even now there is nothing that can beat it.
Chinese are struggling with there fighter to barely make it par with rafale and European standards.
Again true. India has superior electronic culture currently but for radars, we don't know about zhuk aesa and various ground radars so that statement is debatable. But yes we are on right path. Engine in this decade? Nuke sub tech, AIP maturity? There are lot of fields men. We are working and will be self sufficient but should keep realistic goals and approach.India is already ahead in many technical qualifications than Russians
We lagged behind due Are socialist policies
Which still deep-rooted in our mindsets.
India will out pace Russians in every core Technology by end of this decade only.
Infact we already leading ahead in many fields
We are at par with them
Specifically the radar,And Seeker Technology ,Even
Anti aircrafts weapons ,Atgms etc
Avaibility of joint R&D access to various Western nations
Programs what made us lead ahead.
Indiahas now money
which is what matters in the world
You are newbie it seems and new on DFII read a lot. US is good in engine and most things related to fighter jets. True. F-22 is best stealth A2A dominance jet. True. China makes shitty jets. No doubt.
Does that end technology. Best A2A missile - meteor. Best air defence - S400. Best tank - T14 better than abrams. EW suite - spectra. Space program - Russia. So i read tech, its just u read more US propaganda too. US is great at many things(propaganda included), it doesn't mean others are not doing anything. I just wanted to point that. Different countries have different tech superiority region that doesn't make anyone inferior.
Again true. India has superior electronic culture currently but for radars, we don't know about zhuk aesa and various ground radars so that statement is debatable. But yes we are on right path. Engine in this decade? Nuke sub tech, AIP maturity? There are lot of fields men. We are working and will be self sufficient but should keep realistic goals and approach.
Last thing, FYI AK203 TOT deal to be signed this year.
We have huge Capex and R&DI read a lot. US is good in engine and most things related to fighter jets. True. F-22 is best stealth A2A dominance jet. True. China makes shitty jets. No doubt.
Does that end technology. Best A2A missile - meteor. Best air defence - S400. Best tank - T14 better than abrams. EW suite - spectra. Space program - Russia. So i read tech, its just u read more US propaganda too. US is great at many things(propaganda included), it doesn't mean others are not doing anything. I just wanted to point that. Different countries have different tech superiority region that doesn't make anyone inferior.
Again true. India has superior electronic culture currently but for radars, we don't know about zhuk aesa and various ground radars so that statement is debatable. But yes we are on right path. Engine in this decade? Nuke sub tech, AIP maturity? There are lot of fields men. We are working and will be self sufficient but should keep realistic goals and approach.
Last thing, FYI AK203 TOT deal to be signed this year.
Last Post on this. Have u heard tiered air defence. S400 is outermost layer. Read man. And u are the one stuck on US not me. So no fan boy.You are fanboi it seems and new on DFI
Kindly go through various threads it will help you to grasp
No S-400 is not best air defense infact all
S-100 series itself has reliability issues
And has security flaws
(infact india is forcedconsider it just to please Russians Geopolitically)
We already has on par air defense Systems
In fact LR SAM is more sophisticated and reliable
Platform against Drones and Fighters than
S-100 series
There is various times Israelis and aircrafts openly
Out witted them
In Syria and Iran in all middle east
S-400 basically a upgraded S-300
Nothing special about A simple harpy drone will take out
Or Stand off
Here look what Israel developed for S-400
Read my post. Different countries have different techs. Russia is not best, nor US, nor India. No one is best in everything.We have huge Capex and R&D
Russian doesn't
They have maintain there hundreds nukes Laden ICBM s with economy of 1.4 trillion
Lol please quoted me one techRead my post. Different countries have different techs. Russia is not best, nor US, nor India. No one is best in everything.