Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[Chinmoy]

Radar Cross Section (RCS)

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[Gessler]

Radar Cross Section (RCS)

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Bhai thoda toh common sense lagao. The fact that they think Su27 has half the RCS of F15 is bad enough, but even if we assume that is true How can MKI possibly have less than 1/3rd of Su27 ??

Su30 is basically the same airframe as Su27UB. And that's actually going to be worse than regular Su27 because of bigger twin seat cockpit and addition of canards (for MKI) - both detrimental to RCS management.

 

[SARTHAK]

Globalsecurity

Bhai thoda toh common sense lagao. The fact that they think Su27 has half the RCS of F15 is bad enough, but even if we assume that is true How can MKI possibly have less than 1/3rd of Su27 ??

Su30 is basically the same airframe as Su27UB. And that's actually going to be worse than regular Su27 because of bigger twin seat cockpit and addition of canards (for MKI) - both detrimental to RCS management.

there r many sites that post data on rcs, all are assumed in a way or the other ,there is no point fighting .logics may be applicable on facts though

 

[Chinmoy]

Globalsecurity

Bhai thoda toh common sense lagao. The fact that they think Su27 has half the RCS of F15 is bad enough, but even if we assume that is true How can MKI possibly have less than 1/3rd of Su27 ??

Su30 is basically the same airframe as Su27UB. And that's actually going to be worse than regular Su27 because of bigger twin seat cockpit and addition of canards (for MKI) - both detrimental to RCS management.

I wish you could have known the concept of dB rather then creating noise over here.

 

[Gessler]

I wish you could have known the concept of dB rather then creating noise over here.

Haan haan hum ko bhi batao what is it that causes Su30MKI to have magically 1/3rd return of a Su27 despite having elements such as a way bigger glass canopy that exposes lot more cockpit to radar (remember Su30 doesn't have any ITO-coated canopies like F-22 does) and also uses canards, which any radar with good NCTR library can easily recognize as a target characteristic, even if rcs picture on rest of aircraft wasn't available to a good degree.

And development of airframe that went on to be Su30 happened pretty much concurrently with development of Su27UB (operational conversion trainer for Su27), so one can't even make the argument that MKI airframe incorporated extensive use of composites or anything (as one could say wrt Su35 airframe that came much later).

 

[Bhurki]

If everyone quoting radar return strength in decibal and determined cross section could also tell what specific band, or frequency is it related to, it would be much easier to ascertain the likelihood of that number being in the right.

For example, any airliner simultaneously has 1 - 50 m² of RCS depending on what is the relative reflective plane orientation and what frequency is one using.

 

[WARREN SS]

 

[JBH22]

India already fielded GaN based long range Radars , visit DRDO and psu discussion where I have posted tons loads of pics and details , Akash NG uses AESA Seeker . I don't know if there any Russian product have AESA Seeker but yes they fielded GaN Radars . India now developed/ developing EW systems which are comparable to most advanced systems in the world. In the near future India will outperform Russia

Only claims nothing to back it up. Russians are the master in EW systems, anti air defence. They may have problems with engine but with their limited budget they do churn magnificent systems.

India has a lot to bridge tech gap, it's yet to make a rifle just to let you know

 

[Killbot]

Only claims nothing to back it up. Russians are the master in EW systems, anti air defence. They may have problems with engine but with their limited budget they do churn magnificent systems.

India has a lot to bridge tech gap, it's yet to make a rifle just to let you know

Of course. InDiA nO RipHuL hoW mAkE RoCkEt.

'Russians are the master of EW systems'. Now that is a 'claim with nothing to back it up'. That must also be why Israel flies their jets over the capital of Iran, past their S-300s, practically unchallenged.

AND b4 you say S-400 can destroy Thanos's spaceships:

Only claims nothing to back it up

 

[WARREN SS]

Only claims nothing to back it up. Russians are the master in EW systems, anti air defence. They may have problems with engine but with their limited budget they do churn magnificent systems.

India has a lot to bridge tech gap, it's yet to make a rifle just to let you know

Lol master
all please please shows there so called superior EW system and Anti air defense

That superior to Indians

 

[SARTHAK]

s400 is good but it needs support, for india s400 with Barack 8 and xr sam wud be good
russians are good at jamming that is why the su30mki sap 518 and sap 514 sukhoi can be termed as similar to growler--source hvt
idk which jammer was used to dodge 4 aim120c

 

[WARREN SS]

s400 is good but it needs support, for india s400 with Barack 8 and xr sam wud be good
russians are good at jamming that is why the su30mki sap 518 and sap 514 sukhoi can be termed as similar to growler--source hvt
idk which jammer was used to dodge 4 aim120c

Elta 8222

 

[SARTHAK]

Elta 8222

iaf should not/have not disclosed it

 

[WARREN SS]

iaf should not/have not disclosed it

It doesn't. Matter Israelis using these pods since years they are effectively used against all type Missiles.

Israelis are pioneer in EWs even USAF used there EW extensively.

 

[JBH22]

Lol master
all please please shows there so called superior EW system and Anti air defense

That superior to Indians

Krashuka in Syria
Khilbinhy

Not to disregard Indian effort but we have started and we have some time to reach there

 

[Gerlat]

Haan haan hum ko bhi batao what is it that causes Su30MKI to have magically 1/3rd return of a Su27 despite having elements such as a way bigger glass canopy that exposes lot more cockpit to radar (remember Su30 doesn't have any ITO-coated canopies like F-22 does) and also uses canards, which any radar with good NCTR library can easily recognize as a target characteristic, even if rcs picture on rest of aircraft wasn't available to a good degree.

And development of airframe that went on to be Su30 happened pretty much concurrently with development of Su27UB (operational conversion trainer for Su27), so one can't even make the argument that MKI airframe incorporated extensive use of composites or anything (as one could say wrt Su35 airframe that came much later).

RCS of su30mki is greater than su27 and come closer to 15m^2.
Su35 having 3m^2. Also adding canard increase RCS, IAF official also pointed this in the case of j20.

 

[JBH22]

Of course. InDiA nO RipHuL hoW mAkE RoCkEt.

'Russians are the master of EW systems'. Now that is a 'claim with nothing to back it up'. That must also be why Israel flies their jets over the capital of Iran, past their S-300s, practically unchallenged.

AND b4 you say S-400 can destroy Thanos's spaceships:

Then how you explain we are emulating their IADS. Going by your logic no plane should fly the moment you have anti air system in place

 

[WARREN SS]

Krashuka in Syria
Khilbinhy

Not to disregard Indian effort but we have started and we have some time to reach there

lol LOL Seriously there No proof its actually Jams AESA Base AEWS
so far its Only good against small time drones

Lol US recent Bombing In Syria Shows how effective this System Actually is

Israeli's had Such systems Since 8 years

 

[IndianHawk]

Only claims nothing to back it up. Russians are the master in EW systems, anti air defence. They may have problems with engine but with their limited budget they do churn magnificent systems.

India has a lot to bridge tech gap, it's yet to make a rifle just to let you know

What does rifle has to do with ew??
Btw where is russian aesa ?? How many operational aesa jets Russia is currently flying??

 

[WARREN SS]

What does rifle has to do with ew??
Btw where is russian aesa ?? How many operational aesa jets Russia is currently flying??

Russians are Snake oil sellers they effectively selling there Bankrupt DSPSu's Shit to Non Nato countries for years

Lol Look at there S-100 series Its Not Proven in combat in any War against Any Nato military Aircrafts Accept once in blue moon against one F117

LOL Israeli's Bomb Syrians And Iranians Like Shit Who claimed to be in S-300's cover


Russians Fanboys are delusional their country Economy is in Shits its barely hanging to its cold war relics

Even UK And France has More Sophisticated Military assets than Russians.

Only thing Russians has Edge on India is at Submarine tech ,Small arms And ICBM's

that because Of our Own Socialist policies