Sukhoi Su 30MKI

[WARREN SS]

Again let me reiterate that India often comes to Russia, France and Israelis for assistance and outright defense purchases. I doubt Russia discloses its R&D for most programs especially the so called black projects such as Avangard, PAK-DA, nuclear powered cruise missile, underwater drones and many other programs. Notice India no analogs to the programs I mentioned.

All if you want to compare scientific research papers Pakistan leads Israel You confuse large populous countries and their output as equating to quantity equals quality. Russia is 7th (81,000+)on the list while only having a population of 144 million, India is 3rd (135,000+) will having a population of 1.366. Per capita Russia leads India. France is 10th on the list and Israel is 33rd. In other words those scientific journals means little in practice

That compared When we just Globalization in 30 years

Most the Russian funding goes To Maintain there Cold war relics And nuclear assets

Russian economy can't sustain it long While India is pegged To become Global economic giant 8-10 trillion $ by 2030

 

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[SARTHAK]

Recently ,su57 intakes were improved on stealth basis by adding grille made of ram to them ,can same be done to su 30mki?

 

[WARREN SS]

Recently ,su57 intakes were improved on stealth basis by adding grille made of ram to them ,can same be done to su 30mki? View attachment 79450View attachment 79450

Its a major structural change its cannot be done on operational aircrafts
Without grounding fleet

 

[SARTHAK]

Its a major structural change its cannot be done on operational aircrafts
Without grounding fleet

we cannot use 272 aircraft simultaneously if possible we should start it in batches, isnt' it? will it be useful for frontal rcs of su 30mki

 

[Chinmoy]

we cannot use 272 aircraft simultaneously if possible we should start it in batches, isnt' it? will it be useful for frontal rcs of su 30mki

Useless. It would be waste of money and time.

 

[SARTHAK]

Useless. It would be waste of money and time.

reason? super sukhoi upgrade is in line ,rcs reduction must be one of the objective

 

[WARREN SS]

we cannot use 272 aircraft simultaneously if possible we should start it in batches, isnt' it? will it be useful for frontal rcs of su 30mki

Even then such structures changes are massive in nature. there reason IAF doesn't going for Engine upgrade
Out 29 squadron available
Half is of MKI

India could not able to afford this due two 2 front war.

 

[Chinmoy]

reason? super sukhoi upgrade is in line ,rcs reduction must be one of the objective

With the armaments which it would carry on its pylons, it would blip like a football on the RADAR.
Russians did it with Su-57 which would carry its weapons internally. Same is not the case with MKI. RCS reduction could be achieved by ARC method which is more practical in our case rather then RAM coating.

 

[Killbot]

Its a major structural change its cannot be done on operational aircrafts
Without grounding fleet

+its useless. No matter how much RAM paint you put on the Sukhoi, it won't get lower frontal RCS than 5m^2

 

[SARTHAK]

+its useless. No matter how much RAM paint you put on the Sukhoi, it won't get lower frontal RCS than 5m^2

in a2a config rcs of su 30mki is around 3m2 ,hvt once indicated on twitter when one user repeatedly complained about su 30mki for rcs he just said "in a2a config rcs is comparable to other aircrafts of its generation ,notably f15

 

[SARTHAK]

+its useless. No matter how much RAM paint you put on the Sukhoi, it won't get lower frontal RCS than 5m^2

5m^2 exaggeration , it wud be around 3m2 in a2a config

 

[Killbot]

in a2a config rcs of su 30mki is around 3m2 ,hvt once indicated on twitter when one user repeatedly complained about su 30mki for rcs he just said "in a2a config rcs is comparable to other aircrafts of its generation ,notably f15

F-15's RCS is no less than 15m^2 in a2a configuration.

 

[Killbot]

5m^2 exaggeration , it wud be around 3m2 in a2a config

5m^2 without weapons mounted on pylons. More in A2A. Right now, the RCS is 20m^2 for A2A, so below even 10 would be a great improvement.

 

[SARTHAK]

5m^2 without weapons mounted on pylons. More in A2A. Right now, the RCS is 20m^2 for A2A, so below even 10 would be a great improvement.

LACK OF SENSE IN ESTIMATES......

 

[Steven Rogers]

5m^2 without weapons mounted on pylons. More in A2A. Right now, the RCS is 20m^2 for A2A, so below even 10 would be a great improvement.

It won't be a great achievement,their is a reason why LO capabilities are taken into consideration by design itself,anything with weapons mounted outside will be detected by over 100s of miles in the plains......

 

[Killbot]

It won't be a great achievement,their is a reason why LO capabilities are taken into consideration by design itself,anything with weapons mounted outside will be detected by over 100s of miles in the plains......

I was saying in relative terms with respect to the original RCS.

 

[Killbot]

LACK OF SENSE IN ESTIMATES......

It won't be a great achievement,their is a reason why LO capabilities are taken into consideration by design itself,anything with weapons mounted outside will be detected by over 100s of miles in the plains......

Please discuss further with people more knowledgeable than me on this.

 

[Gessler]

in a2a config rcs of su 30mki is around 3m2 ,hvt once indicated on twitter when one user repeatedly complained about su 30mki for rcs he just said "in a2a config rcs is comparable to other aircrafts of its generation ,notably f15

F-15 is nowhere near single-digit rcs in ANY configuration (even clean).

And any Flanker will always be far worse than F-15 in terms of frontal aspect rcs because of the intake nacelles that hang from fuselage instead of being flush with it (like on f-15).

People think A2A config is no biggie wrt RCS. It's not just the size of missiles that matters - its the pylons too.

 

[Chinmoy]

Su-MKI RCS is 4sqm clean
F-15 RCS is 25sqm.