Sukhoi PAK FA

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well thats not going to happen till china make its 5th gernation plane.

dont you know why Russia delayed our AC .
Entirely unrelated. You are confusing two entirely different organizations. The Gorky saga has nothing to do with PAKFA. The PAKFA has nothing to do with Gorky. Varyag has nothing to do with Gorky and neither does PAKFA has anything to do with J-20.
 

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Entirely unrelated. You are confusing two entirely different organizations. The Gorky saga has nothing to do with PAKFA. The PAKFA has nothing to do with Gorky. Varyag has nothing to do with Gorky and neither does PAKFA has anything to do with J-20.
brother Russia is helping to china behind the door.
 

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brother Russia is helping to china behind the door.
It has nothing to do with PAKFA or India. France sells to Pakistan(at least it did) and so does the US. It's all business.
 

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brother Russia is helping to china behind the door.
If that would be true, they would have shared Pak Fa with China and not with us, or provided us the Mig 1.44 design, which we prefered anyway. The fact is, that they provide us always with their best arms and techs and provide China only with inferior stuff (MKK and MKI is another example). Not to forget that they supported us always, even against China. The only downside with them is, that they badly need money and are in a position to increase the costs again and again, just like that they don't deliver in time. But at the end it's still worth it, because they are also the only one that provides us real partnerships so far.
 

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Of the 3 prototypes produced thus far, only T-50-2 is still flying,albeit with 1's tails。

There won't be any more T-50s for a very very long time。
 

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In early Feb, the head of Russian manufacturer Sukhoi, Mikhail Pogosyan, told the ITAR-TASS news agency that its t50, the prototype for the pak fa fifth-generation fighter, had made more than 120 flights, the 100th been flown on Nov. 3,2001.

More importantly, the 3rd aircraft, t-50-3, has entered the test programme following its maiden flight at Komsomoisk, on Amur on Nov.22. Following a series of test flights. T-50-3 was dismantied and transported to Zhukovsky near Mosscow on Dec.28 where its mission systems are now being fitted. It will be first PAK FA equipped with the N036 AESA radar, the tow previous prototypes, T-50-1 and T-50-2, featuring only a metal nose. For the time being, the radar being installed on T-50-3 only incorporates the forward X-band antenna and on side antennas.

T-50-3 is also fitted with two further 101KS-U warning sensors, one under the nose and another on the tail boom, images of T-50-3 published to date show that no side-looking warning sensors appear to be installed. Some of the elements of the 101KS Atoll electrol-optical suite(the 101KS-V sight and 101KS-O jammer) are fitted on T50-2 but the first prototype T-50-1 has no mission system elements fitted.

Three UV-50 decoy launchers(14 rounds each) are mounted in the tail boom of the T-50-3, one orientated for downward-firing, and two upward-firing. It is not known whether T-50-3 features other internally-fitted systems such as a coded communication system or electronic jammer.

However, this third prototype does embody tow noticeable changes. The air intakes in the roots of the vertical tail fins used for cooling the engine bay and by the air conditioning system are redesigned and the wing tips also differ very slightly from those on the first tow prototypes, T-50-3 had not resumed flying by mid-Feb.

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The first tow prototypes have problems, in Aug, 2011, cracks were reportedly discovered in the load-bearing structure of the first prototype, T-50-1. The aircraft was being prepared for high angle-of-attack test flights and was fitted with a spin recovery parachute in the aft fuselage. Although not officially confirmed, T-50-1 has not been seen since last Aug. and flight testing with the aircraft is believed to have ceased.

The second prototype T-50-2, is currently flying with what appear to be vertical fins(marked with the number 051) previously fitted to T-50-1. Structural problems encountered so early in the trials, and before the aircraft has achieved high g-loads, show a requirement to improve the T-50's construction.

Mikhail Pogosyan recently said:" the fourth aircraft will fly in 2012", but was less specific as to when. He is now sounding much more cautious about the fourth aircraft maiden flight compared with last year when he announced it would take place before the end of 2012.

But Pogosyan's apparent caution may prove to be supposition because major structural changes are being implemented in the fourth aircraft after the discovery of the problems in T-50-1. It is also of note that various various strengthening overlays appeared on the tail planes of T-50-1 and T-50-2 and now also T-50-3.

The Commander-in-chief of the Russia-Air-Force, Alexander Zelin, remains optimistic. In a statement made to the Russia RIA Novosti news agency in mid-Feb., he said that fourteen T-50 aircraft will be complete by 2015. The three existing prototypes would be joined by a further three, and a batch of pre-production aircraft would be made during 2016-2020.

Second Stage: 'Izdeliye 30' Egine

The NPO Satum company recently announced that the full-scaled development of the izdeliye 30(item 30) engine for the "second stage" PAK FA fighter has officially commenced in 2011 and that state funding of the programme had commenced. Meanwhile, in Feb., Anderei Reus, head of the Oboronprom corporation which owns the United Engine Corporation(UEC), said that the first experimental example of the izdeliye 30 "second stage" engine would be made in 2016. The powerplant is being development in a co-operative effort of all UEC facilities, but the leading role(processing 70% of the work) is being undertaken by NPO Satum.

All three of existing prototype T-50 are powered by AL-41F1 engine(also refered to as the izdeliye 117). This is a major upgrade of the AL-31FP engine used in the Su-30, with a larger diameter fan, new high and low pressure turbins, and improved combustion chamber and a new digital control system intergrated with the aircraft control system.

According the a Nov. 2011 UEC press release, 16 AL-41F1 engines have been made: six for ground tests and ten for fligh testing on the Su-27M and T-50 prototypes.

The current AL-41F1(izdeliye 117) is rated to 15 tonnes of reheated thrust and about 9.5 tonnes of dry thrust(high dry thrust is important for supercruise). Reportedly, the new izdeliye 30 engine is to be rated at 18 and 11.5 tonnes respectively, and will be the power plant of the production series PAK FA fighters by 2020.
 

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Such problems are part of the development cycle. Nothing that is needed to fret about.
 

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If that would be true, they would have shared Pak Fa with China and not with us, or provided us the Mig 1.44 design, which we prefered anyway. The fact is, that they provide us always with their best arms and techs and provide China only with inferior stuff (MKK and MKI is another example). Not to forget that they supported us always, even against China. The only downside with them is, that they badly need money and are in a position to increase the costs again and again, just like that they don't deliver in time. But at the end it's still worth it, because they are also the only one that provides us real partnerships so far.
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every country found it's safe to export top technology to India, and you are so proud of it and saying that is advantage over China, that is very funny. Alright, like I always say, keep thinking in that way as long as that makes you happy
 

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every country found it's safe to export top technology to India, and you are so proud of it and saying that is advantage over China, that is very funny. Alright, like I always say, keep thinking in that way as long as that makes you happy
That actually is a strength for India - no matter how amusing you find it. In every way, having strategic allies and suppliers willing to sell to you is a good thing. Look back and you will find that thorughout the last 200 years, countries which have had larger supply and strategic partners have won the wars. No matter how good you are tactically OR technologically, without strategic partners, you are doomed in the long run. Napolean found it the hard way, Kaiser and Hitler did, as did Tojo. The Americans found it in Vietnam and the Soviets found it in Afghanistan.
If you think China is doing the right thing by stealing technologies from other countries and thereby making sure that no one will sell them the state of the art technology, then you are living in a fools paradise.
India, by abrogating the ability AND the willingness to copy others technology has ensured that it will have strategic partners - and India is building strategic partnerships in as many ways as possible. USA is it's third largest weapons supplier and the biggest joint-exercise partner. Russia is it's largest weapons supplier AND technology partner. France is it's second largest supplier and second largest technology partner. Israel is India's the fourth largest supplier and technology partner. A lot of Asian countries are India's strategic partners - Malayasia, Singapore, Vietnam, South Korea, Japan to name a few. Even in the middle east, India has more friends (UAE, KSA, Oman, Jordan, Kuwait and Qatar), than China (whose friends are Iran and Syria - two of the most hated countries in the region).

Future will show whether those who play by the rules (like India) survive or those who cheat and bully (like China or Pakistan) survive.

P.S. - Although I like my Chinese friends and colleagues and respect Chinese history/ culture, I do not like the Chinese Government in general and the Communist party in China in particular.
 

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We don't have just countries supplying to us. We also have a lot of JVs with others that allows us access to the latest technologies at half the price(as total cost is shared).
 

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EACH NEW GENERATION OF AIRCRAFT ENGINES REQUIRES AN INCREASE IN EXPENDITURE ON R & D

Moscow. April 14. Airports - Every new generation of engines requires an increasing amount of labor and financial resources for science, for scientific research (NCI), said Supervisor of CIAM Vladimir Skibin.

According to him, a few years ago an analysis of the dynamics of expenditure on science when creating new engines, which showed that the engine of the fourth generation of the total project funding was spent on R & D of 15-20%. When you create a fifth-generation engine of the total funding for the development of the project on R & D accounts for 60%. And according to forecasts, the development of sixth-generation engine for science and technological advance (NTRP) will take more than 70% of the total project costs.

Currently, CIAM was working hard to develop the methodology and the engine is expected in the coming years it will become available to all developers of engines. "Its essence lies in the fact that the developer has the right motor to begin research and development work, there is no necessary body of knowledge and advanced scientific and technological potential," - said scientific director of CIAM.

He noted that one of the most important tasks is the creation of CIAM NTRP. At the same time to create NTRP today imposed new requirements: the work must end technology demonstrator site or the engine as a whole. "One SRI is unable to create the necessary NTZ, must work with industry, EDB, enterprises," - said V.Skibin. Therefore, the decision to work together on advanced engines PD-14 and the "product 30" for the fifth-generation fighter has been fully justified. "To date, this joint work is being done with the Permian of" Aircraft Engine "and" NPO "Saturn" - he said.

Speaking on the importance of NPOV, V.Skibin stressed that today's aircraft engine is a revolutionary progress has analogues in other industries or on elements of design, nor the stress strain behavior at a temperature of not. In the U.S. and Europe accepted indicators of future aircraft engines. The problem in the near and medium term to create engines that have fuel consumption by 70% less, which puts tremendous complexity of the task facing scientists and researchers. Also provides for reduction of emission rates by 60-70%, a significant reduction in engine noise. "The long-term scientific studies it is important to keep up with Russia, it is necessary to make up the backlog, where it is still there," - says V.Skibin.

He stressed that in recent years have learned to consider CIAM, and thus produce scapular machine. At the time, our scientists and specialists, to some extent, jealous of the fan blades shirokohordnym hollow, domestic engine-blades are not made. Now in Russia, and are able to consider such blades, and produce them. The highest skill - to consider the kinetics of combustion in the combustion chamber in the light of turbulence. "This is a huge task, and it CIAM successfully solve," - said V.Skibin.

Responding to a question about the engine of the second stage of development for the future fighter PAK FA program, scientific director of CIAM said that the decision to start R & D over the engine of the second stage was taken over a year ago. Domestic engine manufacturers have shown convincingly that the Russian industry and domestic science in a position to tackle this very complex subject. There was some research done on the basic and defining the parameters and characteristics, the possibility of creating an engine with a very high performance turbine, combustion chamber, a fan. These works were carried out industry trials were conducted in CIAM, some tests were conducted at JSC "NPO" Saturn "and the NPC of gas turbine" Salute. "Was shown the possibility of creating an engine with the given parameters are not inferior to foreign aircraft engine performance. Today, this work has been going on in the OCD. The program, established co-operatives, has been appointed chief designer and the work is quite active.

Responding to a question on why were not completed work on the propeller-fan motor with a high bypass ratio of NK-93, V.Skibin said that the engine NK-93 was created in Soviet times for heavy military transport aircraft Il-106. Were created by experienced engine, conducted bench tests, the engine has been admitted to the flight test. CIAM was actively involved in all stages of the engine. However, from the very beginning there were serious comments on the compressor and turbine, which were created by technology and the level of the 1980s. At meetings in Samara, disassembled, what should be done to improve the engine, and was designated the second phase of development. But as time went on, and further progress in building the engine was not.

After some time in the development of NK-93 returned once more, were considered the work on this engine, is scheduled program, the cost is defined as the engine of virtually every node should have something to refine, modify, and improve. This was to be done to the engine can be certified. Today, the blade design of the machine is obsolete, and now you can only talk about the possibility of using separate units and making the engine NK-93. At the same time V.Skibin stressed that the scheme itself is a progressive motor.

He continued that he had repeatedly raised the question of continued testing, and including the flight. "We have waited a long time, but the proposal was not convincing. First of all, there was no answer on what the aircraft is necessary to establish NC-93. Specific fuel consumption is very good, but the engine was considered at a speed of M = 0.75, and the airplane people have M = 0 ,8-0, 82, and then the specific fuel consumption are quite different. Engine thrust was 18 tons, but at a temperature of 140 degrees above - listed the scientific director of CIAM. - As a result it was decided to use the possibility of developments in this remarkable engine land in the industrial gas turbines, which are now very well. However, if the task of creating a new plane, NC-93 should be redone and it is clear on what sites to work. "
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If you want to buy Pak-Fa T50 Model just saw it :- Google Translate :shocked:
 

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Chinese product? Is it that famous in China too? :D
 

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Work continues on the engine for the PAK FA
On "Saturn" was developed conceptual design of the second stage engine for the fifth-generation fighter, created by the program "promising aviation complex tactical aviation" (PAK FA)

This was announced by Head of Design Department of promising developments and experimental studies of NPO Saturn Maxim Burov.

"Today, created a three-stage low-pressure compressor, a combustion chamber with a temperature of 2100K, and high-pressure turbine with a temperature of 2100K and order," - said Burov on science and technology congress in Moscow.

Boer stressed that the experimental characteristics of the fan and the other nodes on the conclusion of CIAM, allows to meet the requirements of prospective aircraft engine parameters. "In the military sector work" Saturn "creation engine for the PAK FA is a key objective not only to" Saturn ", and OAO" United Engine Corporation, "- said Burov.
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In addition, he noted that the Russian Air Force continues work on the engine for a fighter Su-27.

According to the correspondents' military-industrial complex, "news agencies ARMS-TASS and Interfax-AVN
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