Sukhoi PAK FA

[ankur26888]

Russia to Increase Number of 5G
Fighters in Test Flights

The number of Russia's Sukhoi T-50 5th generation
fighters involved in test flights will be increased to
14 from three by 2015, Russian Air Force
Commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin told RIA
Novosti on Monday. "There are three fighters already in tests, another
three are expected to be tested in the nearest
future. The entire number of aircraft planned for
test flights is 14," Zelin said. The T-50, developed under the program PAK FA
(Future Aviation System for Tactical Air Force) at the
Sukhoi aircraft design bureau, made its first public
appearance at the MAKS-2011 air show near
Moscow on August 17, 2011. The fighter, which is being developed in
partnership with India, made its maiden flight in the
Russian Far East in early 2010. Zelin also said that Russia's T-50 outstripped its U.S.
and Chinese analogues. "After a comparative analysis of the fighter's
characteristics with the U.S. F-22 Raptor and
Chinese J-20 stealth aircraft, we can conclude that
PAK FA exceeds the foreign analogues in
maximum speed, flight range, maximum takeoff
weight and the maximum overload value," Zelin added. Russia has been developing its fifth-generation
fighter since the 1990s. The country's top military
officials have said the stealth fighter jet, with a
range of up to 5,500 kilomeeters, should enter
service with the Air Force in 2015.

 

[Armand2REP]

100 hours of testing... you call that on track?

 

[p2prada]

100 flights isn't 100 hours. Anyway this was 6 month old news when only two prototypes were flying. They haven't mentioned how many hours or even flights done after the T-50-3 was unveiled.

 

[trackwhack]

Don't you have to complete something to have success?



There are no such videos. This plane is well BEHIND schedule if not FAR BEHIND trackawhack. France does not need a 5th gen fighter because it is getting 5th gen UCAVs.

I thought I saw some vids on the 5th Gen fighter Pics thread. Or were they fake?

 

[JayATL]

Russia to Increase Number of 5G Fighters in Test Flights

The number of Russia's Sukhoi T-50 5th generation fighters involved in test flights will be increased to 14 from three by 2015, Russian Air Force Commander Col. Gen. Alexander Zelin told RIA Novosti on Monday.

"There are three fighters already in tests, another three are expected to be tested in the nearest future. The entire number of aircraft planned for test flights is 14," Zelin said.

The T-50, developed under the program PAK FA (Future Aviation System for Tactical Air Force) at the Sukhoi aircraft design bureau, made its first public appearance at the MAKS-2011 air show near Moscow on August 17, 2011.

The fighter, which is being developed in partnership with India, made its maiden flight in the Russian Far East in early 2010.

Zelin also said that Russia's T-50 outstripped its U.S. and Chinese analogues.

"After a comparative analysis of the fighter's characteristics with the U.S. F-22 Raptor and Chinese J-20 stealth aircraft, we can conclude that PAK FA exceeds the foreign analogues in maximum speed, flight range, maximum takeoff weight and the maximum overload value," Zelin added.

Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The country's top military officials have said the stealth fighter jet, with a range of up to 5,500 kilomeeters, should enter service with the Air Force in 2015.

 

[JayATL]

Okay, if we agree to not debte the claim made on better speed, range, takeoff weight... what's most important ? having an aircraft w/ superior radar, Electronic package, weapons package or one that is slightly better on range, speed and take off weight?

If it is EW, radar and weapon package. I don't know how the PAK FA is going to be superior any european or US 5th gen aircraft.

 

[Anshu Attri]

I thought I saw some vids on the 5th Gen fighter Pics thread. Or were they fake?

it was animated.

 

[JayATL]

^^^ I want answers dammit. I want to know how you can claim a russian aircraft PAK FA is going to better than american one when we know they have inferior radars, weapons, ew packages compared to the americans!...if most fights take place in BVR range ...

 

[sayareakd]

if you think that enemy is inferior from the start, that means half the war is already lost by you.

 

[JayATL]

^^^^^^^

if mountains don't have snow there will be no water downstream...
If a cricket hops on grass blade , then the blade is no longer standing erect
If the wind blows from the north- then the northeners will blow with them?



I need answers my man

 

[Ray]

Good thing that the numbers are being increased.

Will speed up the process!

 

[JayATL]

Good thing that the numbers are being increased.

Will speed up the process!

was first delivery not projected 2015? This is russia not america , they will delay and then you will have problems with supplies and supply chain... and price will almost double up , because this is russia.

 

[Ray]

Actually the supply chain issue is a story by itself and it is a game to keep the domestic statistics soaring at the expense of the actuals.

 

[Tronic]

Okay, if we agree to not debte the claim made on better speed, range, takeoff weight... what's most important ? having an aircraft w/ superior radar, Electronic package, weapons package or one that is slightly better on range, speed and take off weight?

If it is EW, radar and weapon package. I don't know how the PAK FA is going to be superior any european or US 5th gen aircraft.

You take the Russian aircraft with better range, speed, aerodynamics, take off weight, etc and blend it with European EW suites and avionics, and you have an aircraft which is better than it's immediate American rival.

Case in point; Su-30MKI vs Pakistan's F-16 Block 52s.

 

[asianobserve]

Case in point; Su-30MKI vs Pakistan's F-16 Block 52s.

F16 is a pushover against an Su30 but then again they're not of the same class...

 

[agentperry]

from where they are getting so much money to start a serial production line for a prototype airplane?? 14 planes, more than tejas!!!

 

[Apollyon]

Okay, if we agree to not debte the claim made on better speed, range, takeoff weight... what's most important ? having an aircraft w/ superior radar, Electronic package, weapons package or one that is slightly better on range, speed and take off weight?

If it is EW, radar and weapon package. I don't know how the PAK FA is going to be superior any european or US 5th gen aircraft.

Edited


T-50/FGFA :
The aircarft has five radars: 3 X-band AESA, one in the nose and two on the sides, and 2 L-band in the leading edge root (LEX) extension of the wings.
L-Band radars are more effective against VLO targets which are optimized only against X-Band frequencies (..like F-22), but their longer wavelengths reduce their resolution.

The Tikhomirov NIIP L-band AESA is an important strategic development, and a technology which, once fully matured and deployed in useful numbers, will render narrowband stealth designs like the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and some UAVs, highly vulnerable to Flanker variants equipped with such radars.

Recently performed Radar Cross Section modelling and simulations performed on key shaping features of the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter show a pronounced degradation of shaping effects below the design's optimal X-band operation.

Assessing the Tikhomirov NIIP L-Band Active Electronically Steered Array

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[p2prada]

Okay, if we agree to not debte the claim made on better speed, range, takeoff weight... what's most important ? having an aircraft w/ superior radar, Electronic package, weapons package or one that is slightly better on range, speed and take off weight?

If it is EW, radar and weapon package. I don't know how the PAK FA is going to be superior any european or US 5th gen aircraft.

^^^ I want answers dammit. I want to know how you can claim a russian aircraft PAK FA is going to better than american one when we know they have inferior radars, weapons, ew packages compared to the americans!...if most fights take place in BVR range ...

It's just propaganda and for domestic consumption. The factors you want answers for are classified. So, why push for answers when you wont get them?

The Russian are guaranteeing superior performance in speed, range and take off weight as compared to J-20 or F-22. This is something civilians can see for themselves too. The unseen ones like radar, EW and weapons performance is anybody's guess. Perhaps the J-20 may end up being the best of the lot.

Let's just say that when the F-15 came out it was the biggest baddest thing in the sky. When the Su-27 came out, it became the biggest baddest thing in the sky. The Americans have no problems claiming the Flanker is the better bird of the two, today. Perhaps it may end up the same, say 20 years down the line. The Americans may get a new bird and then come out in the open saying the T-50 was actually the better bird of the two.

 

[amitkriit]

was first delivery not projected 2015? This is russia not america , they will delay and then you will have problems with supplies and supply chain... and price will almost double up , because this is russia.

At least we can do business with Russia. We don't want the best, which might not be available when we need them, we need things which work and Russian "junk" works perfectly for us.

 

[p2prada]

Good thing that the numbers are being increased.

Will speed up the process!

Sir the numbers were the same as reported a year ago. 4 flying prototypes for Sukhoi's tests and 10 pre-production models for the VVS from 2013 to 2015. All for tests of course.

was first delivery not projected 2015? This is russia not america , they will delay and then you will have problems with supplies and supply chain... and price will almost double up , because this is russia.

IOC models will come after the 14 PAKFAs are delivered. That's in 2015.