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[bhramos]

 

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How many of this beauty in service with the Russian airforce? And how many on order?

 

[bhramos]

 

[bhramos]

How many of this beauty in service with the Russian airforce? And how many on order?

1 in Service, 3 LSP to join this year, 76 on Order for Russia
16-18 approx on order for Algeria

 

[Tshering22]

1 in Service, 3 LSP to join this year, 76 on Order for Russia
16-18 approx on order for Algeria

SU-57 is a dead project in the long-run.

The Russians need partner countries to share the project costing. Algeria and Vietnam will definitely buy them but not to the extent required. Russia's best bet was to agree to our terms and we would have stayed in the program and built an FGFA that looked more like the larger version of the stealthy AMCA rather the Su-57's riveted, angular design. I am no stealth master but look at this picture below:

Compare it to the underbelly of the final AMCA model designed:

Sure Su-57 is an excellent 4.5+ generation aerial sniper, but do you truly think it was a 5th generation fighter at par the F-22?

The Su-75 CHECKMATE looks more stealthy than 57.

I am not saying that we are superior to the Russians in aerospace manufacturing; they are leagues ahead of us. But what they lack is the resources and planning partnership for a stable, sustainable program. Sucking up to the Chinese who copy their designs and cheat them out while being rigid with us continues to be Russia's biggest mistakes in strategic partnership.

 

[MiG-29SMT]

 

[Super Flanker]

Some cool pictures of The SU-57 Aircraft. Do share your opinion on These Awesome pictures of The Russian SU-57 Aircraft. Damn this plane is one Beautiful Aircraft! Just love the Design of these Russian Planes! Gotta appreciate it!

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[Super Flanker]

SU-57 is a dead project in the long-run.

The Russians need partner countries to share the project costing. Algeria and Vietnam will definitely buy them but not to the extent required. Russia's best bet was to agree to our terms and we would have stayed in the program and built an FGFA that looked more like the larger version of the stealthy AMCA rather the Su-57's riveted, angular design. I am no stealth master but look at this picture below:

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Compare it to the underbelly of the final AMCA model designed:

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Sure Su-57 is an excellent 4.5+ generation aerial sniper, but do you truly think it was a 5th generation fighter at par the F-22?

The Su-75 CHECKMATE looks more stealthy than 57.

I am not saying that we are superior to the Russians in aerospace manufacturing; they are leagues ahead of us. But what they lack is the resources and planning partnership for a stable, sustainable program. Sucking up to the Chinese who copy their designs and cheat them out while being rigid with us continues to be Russia's biggest mistakes in strategic partnership.

I agree with what you said. The SU-57 is a stealth Aircraft but it's stealth cannot match the stealth of Planes like F-22 Raptor or the F-35 Lighting Fighter Aircraft as well. Russians Very much have the Capacity and Capability to Build a True Stealth Fighter Aircraft which can in some way rival the F-22 Raptor etc. But what the Russians lack is "Funds" that's what they Lack in my opinion.

 

[Picard]

I agree with what you said. The SU-57 is a stealth Aircraft but it's stealth cannot match the stealth of Planes like F-22 Raptor or the F-35 Lighting Fighter Aircraft as well. Russians Very much have the Capacity and Capability to Build a True Stealth Fighter Aircraft which can in some way rival the F-22 Raptor etc. But what the Russians lack is "Funds" that's what they Lack in my opinion.
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Personally, I'd say that Su-57 offers a better balance of characteristics than F-22 or F-35 do.

 

[Super Flanker]

Personally, I'd say that Su-57 offers a better balance of characteristics than F-22 or F-35 do.

Yeah that's your opinion

 

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Couple of Beautiful Sizzling Pictures of The SU-57 Aircraft!

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[Super Flanker]

Personally, I'd say that Su-57 offers a better balance of characteristics than F-22 or F-35 do.

Yes I agree with your statement that :
"Su-57 offers a better balance of characteristics than F-22 or F-35 do". The F-35 and F-22 maybe superior to the SU 57 in many Aspects but the SU-57 as a platform is better interms of Balance of Characteristics in my opinion to say the least.

 

[Super Flanker]

Sure Su-57 is an excellent 4.5+ generation aerial sniper, but do you truly think it was a 5th generation fighter at par the F-22?

To be fair, I never really thought that The SU-57 was a true 5th Generation Aircraft which could rival and try and be on Parity with True 5th Generation Fighter Aircraft like the American F-35 and F-22 Raptor to be Frank.
Thats why it's No wonder to me that we left this Project and decided to Pursue our own 5th gen Program AMCA Independently.
SU-57 is a dead Project in the Long run, the Day we left this Project, the Fate of this Aircraft was already decided from my Personal Perspective. The Aircraft is at Best a 4.5 Generation Aircraft at most but it's definitely not a true 5th Generation Aircraft at all.

 

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Some more pictures of the SU-57

 

[SwordOfDarkness]

IMO su57 aint worth the price.

Su 75, if it comes at the same price as touted, is miles ahead of f-22, f-35 as a package. You could buy 5 su 75 for the same price as a f35, and quantity has a quality of its own.

Su 57 focuses too much on things like sustained turn rate, only useful in a dogfight. IMO 5th gen fighters shouldnt be built like that.

 

[THESIS THORON]

IMO su57 aint worth the price.

Su 75, if it comes at the same price as touted, is miles ahead of f-22, f-35 as a package. You could buy 5 su 75 for the same price as a f35, and quantity has a quality of its own.

Su 57 focuses too much on things like sustained turn rate, only useful in a dogfight. IMO 5th gen fighters shouldnt be built like that.

today it is not worth its price but, in future when they will complete the izdeliye 30 engine, it will be the best 4.5+ gen aircraft.

but the engine dev is laughable earlier it was expected that engine would be ready by 2021 but now they are saying engine will be ready by 2027

Lack of Fundz

 

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Lack of Fundz

To be fair. Most of these Russian Weopons and Defence programs Are Always stuck because of Lack of funds.
Most of their Projects are Mostly delayed because of Many Reasons but one of the Primary reasons is "Lack of funds".

 

[THESIS THORON]

imo we will buy su57 if and only if the deal of 36 more rafale do not fructifies, and chinks give more pressure on lac.



IMO

 

[bhramos]

 

[Picard]

IMO su57 aint worth the price.

Su 75, if it comes at the same price as touted, is miles ahead of f-22, f-35 as a package. You could buy 5 su 75 for the same price as a f35, and quantity has a quality of its own.

Su 57 focuses too much on things like sustained turn rate, only useful in a dogfight. IMO 5th gen fighters shouldnt be built like that.

If stealth works, they have to be built for dogfight because that is the only way they will be able to fight each other.

If dogfighting is useless, this means stealth doesn't work, which means that 5th generation fighters are useless.

And frankly, I think dogfighting will be important even for 4,5 generation aircraft. So far, long-range missiles have only worked against opponents who didn't really know what they were doing.