Why do you keep sperging out over and over and over again? you even now stating that radar has a longer range than infrared when there are multiple sources that aircraft IRSTs do not even even exceed radars in ranges. Your speaking in acronym soups against hoping to obscure a conversation, what is LRF, radars use triangulation as well, I dont speak sperg, this is why others have a difficult time communicating with you. And if your are saying radar is not effected by weather are you just making it sound better as a choice to be used as MAWs compared to an aircraft that uses radars, UV and infrared coverage?
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I'm not sperging, but you are being retarded so I have to explain the same thing over and over and over again. Others don't have difficult time communicating with me, only you do. Because you lack even common senses. It is hard to communicate to you because I would have to teach you something which should be obvious to everyone else such as how to convert area unit or conservation of energy
Secondly, radar don't need to rely on triangulation to measure range because radar measure range by calculate the time it take for their pulse to fly out and reflect back. Infrared system have to rely on triangulation or LRF (laser range finder)
Thirdly, Su-57 and F-35 doesn't rely on its radar to detect air to air missile, Su-57 rely on 101-KSU UV sensor. F-35 rely on AAQ-37 IIR sensor. Yes, their radar can both detect incoming missile in certain case, but that not the main role. Against missiles, an IIR sensor are generally better as missile warner than radar sensor because:
- Missile are hot because of their flumes and their speed. But they have small RCS because of their size.
- Radar can alert enemy of your present while a passive IIR system won't, and this is a major issue with stealth aircraft.
- Because the angular accuracy of radar is dictated by its beam width. The time that a radar need to scan a certain volume of space is inversely proportional to its accuracy. That mean, to compete with infrared system in term of angular accuracy, your radar need very small beam width. But if the radar has small beam width, then it take too long to scan the whole volume and the reaction time suffer. On the other hand, if the beam width is wide, then the angular accuracy is extremely low and the low probably of intercept characteristic is worse. Whereas, starring array infrared system can have wide instantaneous angular coverage and great angular accuracy at the same time
Russia has smaller funding or investments on the Su-57 even they had managed to acquire similar shit to what you are talking about for the F-35. Your telling me that 1.5 trillion is not enough funding?
No, they don't manage to acquire similar shit, not even close.
There are 615 F-35 while there are 10 test and 2 serial su-57 at the moment. And you should check back on what the so called 1.5 trillions really mean
The F-35 states its current IRST is equivalent to the F-16 Sniper XR which operates at the mid-wave infrared spectrum. OLS-35 is uses long wave infrared detection to track cooler targets than mid-wave infrared and at best that is 30km in front and 90kms in back meaning incoming air to air missiles will all be faced first. So the range is now going to be significantly less than this because midwave is for detecting hotter and not cooler targets than long-wave infrared. But at this point radars which are not just the front are already able to track smaller size targets way farther than current long wave infrared systems meaning the Su-57 is already aware than incoming air to air missile is heading its way with enough time for the aircraft to conduct EW, DIRCM, chaff flare countermeasures, etc. You dont even have to use the OLS-35 as a reference but other IRST systems like france which also use long-wave infrared detection. And to pour salt to the wound lets say I decide to pull a stealthflanker and ronny on you that the K-77ME has the same speeds as your theoretical Meteor like missile...... Wouldn't that mean based on the throttle down speeds that missiles be detected at a closer than a farther range?
Firstly, OLS-35 doesn't use long wave infrared, it uses the same mid wave infrared as EOTS.
Secondly, Infrared system are a bit more complex than radar. Able to detect cooler target doesn't necessary mean your detection range is better. Because infrared system sort out target by the contrast with the back ground but everything emit infrared radiation and the cooler the object, the longer the infrared wavelength that it will emit. So while using long wave infrared help you receive signal from cooler missiles/aircraft, you will also get a lot of unwanted signal from the background such as the surface and cloud. You can see the contrast in image below. In the MWIR photo, it is very easy to distinguish the ship from the background because most nature object doesn't emit a lot in MWIR. In the LWIR, it is much harder to distinguish the boat because the sea surface also emit a lot in long wave infrared.
Thirdly, yes, throttle back help reduce flume Infrared signature but Meteor and K-77ME still has more signature than a coasting missile, and even coasting missile can be detected due to air friction created when they cutting through the air at supersonic speed
It sounds like you are , if you want to bring past debates than what I am saying is I have a shoulder for you to cry on if you like? I am not the only one using derogatory terms here.
Where did I say it was one user vs all users, if you are going to make up shit than do a better job at it. Space battle is no problem despite other users giving you problems there as it seems and I think you said that neutral forum was biased
? my behavior was only bad in the politics section. As for secretprojects as you already know I brought up multiple sources that Russia is pursuing a internal hypersonic air to ground missiles thus a ban for it. Su-57 will do hypersonic air to ground missile tests this year so once Borisov gives a name I gladly talk about that missile project lol. By the way I just noticed that some users even here had to create a separate thread including your username to be on that different thread, old habits die hard dont they ?
shoulder to cry on? Look at yourself. You complain about how some forums banned you all the time, in all discussion. I get that it is frustrated to be banned, but honestly. Do you think anyone in here interested in a sob story?. They don't give a fuck and it get old very quickly. And I didn't use derogatory terms until you constantly spam sperg this, sperg that, and over saturate the forum with the 4chan meme
Secondly, there are many pro Russia user in secretproject, pretty much non are banned, it is as free as it get there, so if you are banned there, then you should think about how you post.
You still brought it up as an option(so decided to bring up an option loadout for the Su-57) to increased the loadout LMFAO. And you gave a loadout for the Su-57 while I stuck with mine and that wasnt to your liking?
There is also money being poured into klevok-D2, smaller hypersonic air to ground missiles that surpass what the F-35 has. Russia possessed the capabilities of miniature missiles with tor and pantsir so I give it as an option for the Su-57 for its new air to air missile designs. There was no reason for a user to sperg here.
I didn't brought them as option, I emphasized that I don't count them, because to me , their fate are uncertain. For Kelvok-D2, there is 30-35% chance it get made in future and probably about 0.1% that it make its way onto any jet fighter,
New avionics are needed or in otherwords new EW systems and none of those are present on the F-35(which do you think will come 1st this or DIRCM?), not even a demonstration like the EW MMICs portrayed for the Su-57. They demonstrate a wider band to conduct missions with 5th gen aircrafts meaning that if the F-35 go so low we have no needs for the EA-18 growler which is portrayed in the back with giant ass pods.
No new avionic is needed. Band 2, band 3 and Band 4 are standard band on F-35. and RWR/ELINT system on tactical aircraft such as F-35 is quite different from a support suppress stand off jamming system on EA-18G. They have different role and use for different thing, one doesn't make the other redundant. NGJ is a combination of 3 pods: high band, mid band and low band. The mid band and high band proportion is covered by most self defense jamming pod and aircraft internal jammer, so why do you think there is still a NGJ pod cover that frequency range?
. Because self defense jamming and surpress cover jamming are different
NGJ like the EW systems on the F-35 can suppress radio waves, but it is demonstrated for jamming lower frequencies than the F-35s. Even current 2015 pdf has show me different RWRs module frequency coverages and none that I have seen go to low UHF to VHF levels.
You are confused between the emitter locating function and jamming function. When I talk about the coverage of ASQ-239, I'm talking about the emitter locating function, not the jamming function.
If it was a 1000km range than that would mean it does not have burn rate technology to accelerate to the speeds it needs for the scramjet to eventually kick on. If the target is 250-500km range than that leaves more room for the ramjet to cover for burning less fuel than solid fuels maintaining high speeds.
A ferrari with 1/8th the volume of fuel will burn fuel faster to get to 100 meters than a toyota with a full tank for the scramjet to do the rest of the job, which burns fuel less but maintaining high speeds than sold fuels..
When I talk about 1000 km, I was talking about the maximum missile range, I wasn't talking about booster range.
The point is that, to accelerate a missile to a certain speed, you will need a certain amount of energy. How fast you can burn through your fuel to get this amount of energy doesn't change the total amount of energy you will need.
huh? So I take that you do not know if those speeds are official for the AGM-183 because you refused to answer it twice, and I doubt 3rd time will be the charm for you. Kinzhal, YARS and Iskander feature maneuverability through out their flights. Doesn't the PRSM or AGM-183A have maneuverability as well which makes them different from your average ballistic launched missiles? Do you even have a range or altitude height for the agm-183A?
I didn't refuse to answer it twice, I already explained to you before. Boost glider don't have constant speed, they decelerate as they glide through the atmosphere. Your question is like "what is the temperature of a room" , the only answer is "it depend".
This is the velocity chart of a boost glider. The atmosphere that give it much better agility than ballistic missile will also slow it down by a lot
YARS by itself is an intercontinental ballistic missile, it climb ways above the atmosphere, so it can't maneuver there (unless you count making some lateral 5-10 m course correction and nose pointing by mini thruster as maneuver), at most you can have it carry warhead that can maneuver on re-entry once it come back to atmosphere. It kinda like this:
Kinzhal is air launched Iskander
Iskander and PRSM are similar, they can maneuver on re-entry, and just after launch while their motor still running. But in mid course, they pretty much doing a fix curve. even side thruster change your course very slightly
Hypersonic boost glider like Avangard, ARRW are very different because they can change the cross course by 500-1000 km thanks to the aerodynamic force, like this:
Radar are main sensor instead of Infrared sensor because of the following advantages:
Firstly, how can I pick out your jab respond when your account and your responds were both deleted?
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. I already brought up the sources and use of the weapons.
