Sukhoi PAK FA

[AJSINGH]

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100611/159390947.html
Russian-Indian work on 5G fighter to go ahead without extra deal

Russian aircraft holding Sukhoi has no plans to sign additional agreements creating a joint venture with its Indian partners in the production of a fifth-generation fighter, the general director said on Friday.
Russian Sukhoi holding and Indian Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) agreed in early 2010 to jointly develop a fifth-generation stealth fighter jet.
Sukhoi head Mikhail Pogosyan had said that an additional agreement would be signed specifying the Indian role in the project, but on Friday he said that the Russian company hoped work would begin soon without any such deal.
"We don't plan to sign a joint venture. We have agreed on joint work with our Indian colleagues," Pogosyan said.
He said the joint work could be carried out under the current agreement.
"We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs," Pogosyan said. "At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture."
Earlier, HAL was reported to be seeking a 25% share in design and development in the project.
Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, was designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at a plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur, in Russia's Far East.
Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft.

i think Russians want to see this aircraft in active service fast, so try to get down time in dealing with HAL , as long as HAL/IAF get the technical specs right and PAK FAGA in IAF service by 2017 , everybody is happy

 

[Kunal Biswas]

i think Russians want to see this aircraft in active service fast, so try to get down time in dealing with HAL , as long as HAL/IAF get the technical specs right and PAK FAGA in IAF service by 2017 , everybody is happy

Pak-fa progress also effect the developments of FGFA , Since 50s Indo-Russian aero industries worked together and know each other well, the statement can make a lot of speculation but its better to remain positive..

 

[youngindian]

FGFA: Sukhoi says work to continue; no need for JV agreement

Sat, Jun 12

Vinay Shukla Moscow, Jun 12 (PTI) Russia has said it has no immediate plans to sign a joint venture agreement with India''s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) as the work on the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), jointly being developed by the two countries, could continue without it. "We don''t plan to sign a joint venture.

We have agreed on joint work with our Indian colleagues," CEO of Sukhoi Aircraft Mikhail Pogasyan was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti. India and Russia had agreed to jointly develop FGFA back in October 2007 and a JV agreement was expected to be inked between HAL and Sukhoi during Prime Minister Vladimir Putin''s India visit in March, which could not be signed due to red tape.

He said the joint work could be carried out under the current agreement. HAL is said to be looking for 25 per cent stake in the JV, which will produce a lighter, twin-seater version of the futuristic fighter capable of taking on the US F-22 and F-35 fighters.

"We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs. At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture," Pogasyan said.

Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at its plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur is undergoing a series of trials.

Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft. On the eve of his India visit Putin had said the FGFA would have to undergo at least 2000 test flights before entering into a stage of serial production.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20100612/372/tbs-fgfa-sukhoi-says-work-to-continue-no.html

 

[san]

Sat, Jun 12

Vinay Shukla Moscow, Jun 12 (PTI) Russia has said it has no immediate plans to sign a joint venture agreement with India''s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) as the work on the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), jointly being developed by the two countries, could continue without it. "We don''t plan to sign a joint venture.

We have agreed on joint work with our Indian colleagues," CEO of Sukhoi Aircraft Mikhail Pogasyan was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti. India and Russia had agreed to jointly develop FGFA back in October 2007 and a JV agreement was expected to be inked between HAL and Sukhoi during Prime Minister Vladimir Putin''s India visit in March, which could not be signed due to red tape.

He said the joint work could be carried out under the current agreement. HAL is said to be looking for 25 per cent stake in the JV, which will produce a lighter, twin-seater version of the futuristic fighter capable of taking on the US F-22 and F-35 fighters.

"We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs. At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture," Pogasyan said.

Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at its plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur is undergoing a series of trials.

Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft. On the eve of his India visit Putin had said the FGFA would have to undergo at least 2000 test flights before entering into a stage of serial production.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20100612/372/tbs-fgfa-sukhoi-says-work-to-continue-no.html

Ruskis are becoming more and more unreliable partner. Without an agreement it cannot be called as a Indo-Rus joint fighter. Better try our luck on MCA.

 

[Agantrope]

Sat, Jun 12

Vinay Shukla Moscow, Jun 12 (PTI) Russia has said it has no immediate plans to sign a joint venture agreement with India''s Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) as the work on the fifth generation fighter aircraft (FGFA), jointly being developed by the two countries, could continue without it. "We don''t plan to sign a joint venture.

We have agreed on joint work with our Indian colleagues," CEO of Sukhoi Aircraft Mikhail Pogasyan was quoted as saying by RIA Novosti. India and Russia had agreed to jointly develop FGFA back in October 2007 and a JV agreement was expected to be inked between HAL and Sukhoi during Prime Minister Vladimir Putin''s India visit in March, which could not be signed due to red tape.

He said the joint work could be carried out under the current agreement. HAL is said to be looking for 25 per cent stake in the JV, which will produce a lighter, twin-seater version of the futuristic fighter capable of taking on the US F-22 and F-35 fighters.

"We will do our part of the work, our Indian counterparts theirs. At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture," Pogasyan said.

Russia has been developing its fifth-generation fighter since the 1990s. The current prototype, known as the T-50, designed by the Sukhoi design bureau and built at its plant in Komsomolsk-on-Amur is undergoing a series of trials.

Russian officials have already hailed the fighter as "a unique warplane" that combines the capabilities of an air superiority fighter and attack aircraft. On the eve of his India visit Putin had said the FGFA would have to undergo at least 2000 test flights before entering into a stage of serial production.

http://in.news.yahoo.com/20/20100612/372/tbs-fgfa-sukhoi-says-work-to-continue-no.html

Do they trying to leave us?? Or congress government wants the crippled american bird. No Sign means we have no authority on the product and IPR will comes in picture. This is really. So no PAK-FA/FGFA, is what my instinct says

 

[Kunal Biswas]

At the initial stage it is not necessary to have a joint venture

Its better to wait and see, nothing have gone wrong besides their is no reply from Indian side..

 

[AJSINGH]

btw no where did it say that the work on FAGA will be delayed

 

[EagleOne]

so need to wait ...what will be the fate of rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrFGFA

 

[AJSINGH]

btw no where did it say that the work on FAGA will be delayed

my bad wrong typing its " FGFA" thanks for pointing it out

 

[Agantrope]

Its better to wait and see, nothing have gone wrong besides their is no reply from Indian side..

I feel something fishy here. are they trying to send us out of this program??

 

[AJSINGH]

I feel something fishy here. are they trying to send us out of this program??

not really , if that was the case they would have said it clearly

 

[p2prada]

You guys misunderstood what the Russians are implying.

The Russians and Indians have already cut out their work for each other. They have already decided what is to be done and they want to start ASAP without any delays.

Signing a JV is a formality between bureaucrats and will take time to happen. So, they want to skip all the boring parts and start the work now and do the JV later.

The PAKFA JV is happening. The trust between the Russians and Indians is so high that we don't need a binding contract to make things happen.

This is the best news ever. It shows the quality of our relationship.

 

[SATISH]

Waiting for the JV and bureucratic work only consumes time. We better start developing work as the funds have already been released for the development of the fifth generation technologies to the DRDO and the DRDL and DARE. One must remember that both are democratic governments now and democratic governments work at snail's pace.

 

[AJSINGH]

You guys misunderstood what the Russians are implying.

The Russians and Indians have already cut out their work for each other. They have already decided what is to be done and they want to start ASAP without any delays.

Signing a JV is a formality between bureaucrats and will take time to happen. So, they want to skip all the boring parts and start the work now and do the JV later.

The PAKFA JV is happening. The trust between the Russians and Indians is so high that we don't need a binding contract to make things happen.

This is the best news ever. It shows the quality of our relationship.

you said , i also said that russians want to cut down time by not dealing iwth the unnecessary burecratic oricess

 

[Anshu Attri]

Photos from the third flight in Zukopsky. Failure of hydraulic system, according to rumors, occurred at a distance of 100 km from the airport:

 

[Agantrope]

You guys misunderstood what the Russians are implying.

The Russians and Indians have already cut out their work for each other. They have already decided what is to be done and they want to start ASAP without any delays.

Signing a JV is a formality between bureaucrats and will take time to happen. So, they want to skip all the boring parts and start the work now and do the JV later.

The PAKFA JV is happening. The trust between the Russians and Indians is so high that we don't need a binding contract to make things happen.

This is the best news ever. It shows the quality of our relationship.

Whether the requirements are frozen for the FGFA??

 

[p2prada]

Whether the requirements are frozen for the FGFA??

Impossible to predict. Also Russians do not freeze their design so quickly. So, requirements will change as the prototypes fly more and more.

Just look at how many Flanker models there are. Base requirements may be required and worked on while the platform matures. What is technologically feasible and what is not is worked on and then design is frozen after IOC.

Who knows, IAF may do what the Army did and ask for a directed energy self protection weapon for the FGFA in the future.

 

[nrj]

Who knows, IAF may do what the Army did and ask for a directed energy self protection weapon for the FGFA in the future.

Seriously, IAF should save that for AMCA, AURA. We just need healthy number of PAK FA (Twin or single config) first then further modding should be incorporated. Throwing such demands on HAL will only delay the induction.

 

[Crusader53]

Any offical word on when the first Indian PAK-FA will be ready or flown?????

 

[ironman]