Sukhoi PAK FA

[ahmedsid]

"ski" is kind of like "son of" or "closely associated with". but i am not so sure though.

I wanted to clear it, because AJ Singh made Ski look like Killer and I was sure it doesnt mean that! How would they Nickname the A2AM as AMRAAMSKI because it wont shoot down the AMRAAM but the Plane!!! Thanks

 

[Yatharth Singh]

 

[AJSINGH]

Curb your enthusiasm mate, all we know for certain at the moment is that it can fly.

it can do much more than just "fly "

 

[flash]

it can do much more than just "fly "

Like what? Did the rest of us miss something in the six test flights?

 

[LETHALFORCE]

http://www.cast.ru/eng/?id=372

Russian think-tank projects additional Su-30, PAK-FA exports

Assessments compiled by a Russian think-tank predict another 64 export orders for the Sukhoi Su-30MK series of aircraft in addition to the 136 already under contract.

Analysts from the Centre for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) also predict that Su-30MK sales will decline but only when export models of the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA fifth-generation fighter become available.

Moscow-based CAST is an independent, private defence industrial and foreign policy think-tank with close ties to both Russia's arms export monopoly, Rosoboronexport, and senior Kremlin officials. CAST analysts told Jane's that despite their connections to Rosoboronexport they sought data from multiple sources in compiling their assessment.

India is expected to be the first PAK-FA export customer and plans to co-operate with Russia on developing the two-seat version of the aircraft. However, CAST Director Ruslan Pukhov told Jane's that "Vietnam will be probably the second customer for T-50 in the future. Moreover, every third user of the Su-27/30 family of aircraft are probably going to be customers for Russia's fifth-generation aircraft."

The unknown variable is where the Su-35 'Super Flanker' now fits into Russian plans for promoting exports of its military aircraft. The Russian Air Force is supposed to receive 48 of the type before 2015 and a sale of 24 export models was recently agreed during a state visit to Venezuela by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

Also noticeably missing are any projections of future Su-30MKK/MK2 exports to China. Beijing was at one time the major buyer of Sukhoi fighter aircraft, but in 2004 it abruptly truncated a licence-production agreement after manufacturing only slightly more than half of the 200 Su-27SK models originally ordered. China has since begun to build its own version of the aircraft, the J- 11B, at the Shenyang Aircraft Works, which Russia claims is an illegal copy of the Su-27SK/J-11 models originally sold to and assembled in China.

Chinese industry officials claim that the J-11B incorporates many significant design changes from the original Su-27SK/J-11 configuration, including a heavily redesigned inlet that reduces the aircraft's radar cross-section. Chinese naval officials have also expressed interest in procuring as many as 50 models of a modernised version of the Su-33 carrier-capable fighter, but these negotiations remain unresolved.

 

[AJSINGH]

Like what? Did the rest of us miss something in the six test flights?

it proves that airframe is ready , the control system is working properly and so is the landing gear .

 

[AJSINGH]

http://www.cast.ru/eng/?id=372

Russian think-tank projects additional Su-30, PAK-FA exports

Assessments compiled by a Russian think-tank predict another 64 export orders for the Sukhoi Su-30MK series of aircraft in addition to the 136 already under contract.

Analysts from the Centre for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies (CAST) also predict that Su-30MK sales will decline but only when export models of the Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA fifth-generation fighter become available.

Moscow-based CAST is an independent, private defence industrial and foreign policy think-tank with close ties to both Russia's arms export monopoly, Rosoboronexport, and senior Kremlin officials. CAST analysts told Jane's that despite their connections to Rosoboronexport they sought data from multiple sources in compiling their assessment.

India is expected to be the first PAK-FA export customer and plans to co-operate with Russia on developing the two-seat version of the aircraft. However, CAST Director Ruslan Pukhov told Jane's that "Vietnam will be probably the second customer for T-50 in the future. Moreover, every third user of the Su-27/30 family of aircraft are probably going to be customers for Russia's fifth-generation aircraft."

The unknown variable is where the Su-35 'Super Flanker' now fits into Russian plans for promoting exports of its military aircraft. The Russian Air Force is supposed to receive 48 of the type before 2015 and a sale of 24 export models was recently agreed during a state visit to Venezuela by Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin.

Also noticeably missing are any projections of future Su-30MKK/MK2 exports to China. Beijing was at one time the major buyer of Sukhoi fighter aircraft, but in 2004 it abruptly truncated a licence-production agreement after manufacturing only slightly more than half of the 200 Su-27SK models originally ordered. China has since begun to build its own version of the aircraft, the J- 11B, at the Shenyang Aircraft Works, which Russia claims is an illegal copy of the Su-27SK/J-11 models originally sold to and assembled in China.

Chinese industry officials claim that the J-11B incorporates many significant design changes from the original Su-27SK/J-11 configuration, including a heavily redesigned inlet that reduces the aircraft's radar cross-section. Chinese naval officials have also expressed interest in procuring as many as 50 models of a modernised version of the Su-33 carrier-capable fighter, but these negotiations remain unresolved.

USA should be concerned about this , after few years many third world countries would have 5th generation aircraft and would deny USA its ( for granted ) air superiority

 

[Agantrope]

USA should be concerned about this , after few years many third world countries would have 5th generation aircraft and would deny USA its ( for granted ) air superiority

It is obvious that the export version of 5th genration fighter aircraft will be crippled one of what india and russia possess. Moreover the export will be done only when the need of this 2 countries are fulfilled. It will pull up to atleast 2025. so I no see problem for USAF, they might come with a new kinda of fighter by then

 

[AJSINGH]

It is obvious that the export version of 5th genration fighter aircraft will be crippled one of what india and russia possess. Moreover the export will be done only when the need of this 2 countries are fulfilled. It will pull up to atleast 2025. so I no see problem for USAF, they might come with a new kinda of fighter by then

new fighter , that is unlikely , maybe just very good upgrades for F-22A

 

[notinlove]

well if its nato reporting name is really 'Firefox' then the russians oughtta beware of Clint Eastwood

 

[nrj]

new fighter , that is unlikely , maybe just very good upgrades for F-22A

US will be fielding Unmanned Strike fighter here after (certainly stealthy hypersonic) . F35 is most probably last manned fighter for US. Nevertheless US would shyt on anyone from space. PAK FA will bring world to a standard of 5th Gen fighter. US will compromise its edge in 5th Gen fighters but they have pretty good concepts around. Problem lies in convincing congress for production approval of these giant budget programs.

US always knew someday, another 5th Gen rival will arrive.

 

[AJSINGH]

US will be fielding Unmanned Strike fighter here after (certainly stealthy hypersonic) . F35 is most probably last manned fighter for US. Nevertheless US would shyt on anyone from space. PAK FA will bring world to a standard of 5th Gen fighter. US will compromise its edge in 5th Gen fighters but they have pretty good concepts around. Problem lies in convincing congress for production approval of these giant budget programs.

US always knew someday, another 5th Gen rival will arrive.

true , but another manned fighter aircraft that is unlikely but who knows , and yes congress would not like to spend much money on what they think "unnecessary defense projects " ..i mean they have even cut funding for more F-22A , plus that country is in so much debt

 

[nrj]

true , but another manned fighter aircraft that is unlikely but who knows , and yes congress would not like to spend much money on what they think "unnecessary defense projects " ..i mean they have even cut funding for more F-22A , plus that country is in so much debt

Russia-India acquiring/selling 5th Gen fighters at cheapest cost to 3rd world countries is enough for them to sketch a dreadful picture in front of Congress. Fear & loss is what they'd portray to find the necessary approval. Its not that hard to guess.

Russia-India will also have to look for superior fighter in not far time. PAK FA is not the ultimate. That is why I think AMCA should be quiet superior to FGFA.

 

[AJSINGH]

Russia-India acquiring/selling 5th Gen fighters at cheapest cost to 3rd world countries is enough for them to sketch a dreadful picture in front of Congress. Fear & loss is what they'd portray to find the necessary approval. Its not that hard to guess.

Russia-India will also have to look for superior fighter in not far time. PAK FA is not the ultimate. That is why I think AMCA should be quiet superior to FGFA.

PAK FA is now not ultimate but with eventual upgrades it will be , and whats AMCA ?

 

[nrj]

PAK FA is now not ultimate but with eventual upgrades it will be , and whats AMCA ?

What upgrades? It'll be development frozen production variant by 2015. Thats all.
AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft. We've separate discussion thread on it.

 

[AJSINGH]

What upgrades? It'll be development frozen production variant by 2015. Thats all.
AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft. We've separate discussion thread on it.

upgrades on better radar and avionics , russias are actively involved in research of better radar

 

[nrj]

upgrades on better radar and avionics , russias are actively involved in research of better radar

Ofcourse Russia/India will come up with best possible radars in respective variants. But the development is frozen before entering production.
It'll never be ultimate fighter. India/Russia will have to look for future fighters after commissioning PAK FA.

 

[AJSINGH]

Ofcourse Russia/India will come up with best possible radars in respective variants. But the development is frozen before entering production.
It'll never be ultimate fighter. India/Russia will have to look for future fighters after commissioning PAK FA.

which aircraft is ultimate aircraft ? none , a certain aircraft just enjoy a certain period of techical superiority and when new and better aircraft comes along then the superiority is no more .this exactly will happen with F-22A,

 

[nrj]

which aircraft is ultimate aircraft ? none , a certain aircraft just enjoy a certain period of techical superiority and when new and better aircraft comes along then the superiority is no more .this exactly will happen with F-22A,

So what was I saying at first place?? Point is when Russia-India will be busy developing PAK FA & further producing it, US will be progressing with more advanced fighter out of drawing sheets.

 

[AJSINGH]

So what was I saying at first place?? Point is when Russia-India will be busy developing PAK FA & further producing it, US will be progressing with more advanced fighter out of drawing sheets.

if you are saying that new manned advance aircraft then unlikely ,however if you say unmaned strike aircraft then yes . as of now only upgrades are planned for F-22