Sukhoi PAK FA

[p2prada]

"Propaganda" =omg= Typical Russian Boasting.......

It will be a machine superior to our main competitor, the F-22, in maneuverability, armament and range," Putin said."Also in morale," the pilot added."Above all else," Putin said smiling.

What in this is Propaganda? It will be much more maneuverable, 3D TVC etc etc. It will carry much more than the F-22, The Russian ramjet propelled missiles are any day superior to rocket propelled missiles, which equates to superior armament. Then PAKFA is know to be made to fly for nearly 4500kms, better than F-22s range. Morale, Do I need to answer that?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

A hires of PAK-FA which showing clearly the distribution of Internal weapons load...

 

[Crusader53]

What in this is Propaganda? It will be much more maneuverable, 3D TVC etc etc. It will carry much more than the F-22, The Russian ramjet propelled missiles are any day superior to rocket propelled missiles, which equates to superior armament. Then PAKFA is know to be made to fly for nearly 4500kms, better than F-22s range. Morale, Do I need to answer that?

How do you know that the PAK-FA is more maneverable or has better range than either the F-22 or even F-35??? Plus, what Russian Missile(s) are Superior to the US or Western Counterparts???

Yes, you do need to answer that.......


Respectfully,

Crusader53

 

[Crusader53]

Russia's PAKFA be '3 Times Cheaper Than Foreign Analogs'

Russia's fifth generation fighter will be about three times as cheap as its foreign analog, Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said on Thursday.He observed the test flight of a prototype fighter and later talked to the pilot, Sergei Bogdan."It will be a machine superior to our main competitor, the F-22, in maneuverability, armament and range," Putin said."Also in morale," the pilot added."Above all else," Putin said smiling.

Last I heard Putin was not a fighter pilot nor a expert in 5th Generation Military Aircraft. So, why should we take his word??? Further, Russia is very good about boasting of it Military Capabilities. Yet, the facts rarely support its many claims.

 

[Crusader53]

one more thing , the prototypes we see in the above pictures is not the final aircraft , airframe or desgin wise , the above aircraft is just a testbed for avionics and other parameters

If, your statement is true. Then the PAK-FA is very far from entering service........

 

[Quickgun Murugan]

What in this is Propaganda? It will be much more maneuverable, 3D TVC etc etc. It will carry much more than the F-22, The Russian ramjet propelled missiles are any day superior to rocket propelled missiles, which equates to superior armament. Then PAKFA is know to be made to fly for nearly 4500kms, better than F-22s range. Morale, Do I need to answer that?

Even MKI and most MMRCA contenders can boast all that qualities of a superior armament, maneuverability and range. But its the stealth that counts for a fifth gen fighter and there is no beating F-22 in that for now.

 

[neo29]

Pak-Fa IN / FGFA will be surely be much more maneuverable and lethal than its original design. Just look at MKI if you have doubts.

 

[Crusader53]

Pak-Fa IN / FGFA will be surely be much more maneuverable and lethal than its original design. Just look at MKI if you have doubts.

Pure slow speed agility has hardly been a decisive factor in the last 90 years of dogfighting. Which, doesn't even take into account today's fighters equipped with HOBS, HMCS, and extremely agile AAM's.


In short if most Air Forces thought TVC was so important or even worth while. You would see Typhoons, Rafales, and Super Hornets flying around with it.

 

[vikramrana_1812]

Pure slow speed agility has hardly been a decisive factor in the last 90 years of dogfighting. Which, doesn't even take into account today's fighters equipped with HOBS, HMCS, and extremely agile AAM's.


In short if most Air Forces thought TVC was so important or even worth while. You would see Typhoons, Rafales, and Super Hornets flying around with it.

yes I agree with the fact that we all Indians should start believing now is that in modern warfare all we need is a very good radar with equally good long range accurate missiles. USA is leading the race if we consider these.
Su30 Mki is a monster but very agile. It is a nightmare as enemy aircraft.
I know that Rafales Sh's are using slightly better avionics but Su30Mki's can beat them. The only problem is that apart from Su30mki's the other Planes like Mirage 2000 and Mig 29's can't match Rafale or Super Hornets.....
Mig -29 K is little better with ZhukME radar we only have 16 of them, of which 12 are operational.
What India need is a fighter plane like SH or Rafale to bridge the GAP. If we get 126 of those in MMRCA deal then the GAP will be minimal
PAKFA will be a sensational plane for sure and will give F-22's a bad time if they come face to face......but till today...F-22's are the best plane flying.
PakFA has only completed 3 trials and it is still in development phase...So friends there is no beating F-22 as of today.

 

[Crusader53]

yes I agree with the fact that we all Indians should start believing now is that in modern warfare all we need is a very good radar with equally good long range accurate missiles. USA is leading the race if we consider these.
Su30 Mki is a monster but very agile. It is a nightmare as enemy aircraft.
I know that Rafales Sh's are using slightly better avionics but Su30Mki's can beat them. The only problem is that apart from Su30mki's the other Planes like Mirage 2000 and Mig 29's can't match Rafale or Super Hornets.....
Mig -29 K is little better with ZhukME radar we only have 16 of them, of which 12 are operational.
What India need is a fighter plane like SH or Rafale to bridge the GAP. If we get 126 of those in MMRCA deal then the GAP will be minimal
PAKFA will be a sensational plane for sure and will give F-22's a bad time if they come face to face......but till today...F-22's are the best plane flying.
PakFA has only completed 3 trials and it is still in development phase...So friends there is no beating F-22 as of today.

Personally, I have little doubt the PAK-FA will eventually be a very capable fighter. Likely close to the F-35 and somewhat behind the F-22. As a "platform" its near the equal to the latter two. (except RCS) Yet, Russia has a ways to go to match the US Fighters in Avionics and Weapons selection.


Nonetheless, it should be a good counter to anything China is likely to field (hopefully)......So, I support India's involvement in the PAK-FA Program. If, Russia would allow India to incorporate "Western" Avionics into the PAK-FA. Would greatly improve its capabilities. IMHO


As a matter of fact that's why I support the IAF getting the PAK-FA and the Indian Navy the F-35. This gives the Indian Armed Forces access to BOTH! What is learned from both types will lead it to its own MCA in the future.

All that said I doubt Russia would allow it? Of course many West Nations maybe afraid Russia could gain access to there Technology even if they did??? Either way it would be a no go........

 

[bhramos]

Russian military to buy 50 fifth-generation fighters after 2016

Russia's Defense Ministry will order at least 50 fifth-generation fighters from 2016, a senior official said on Thursday.
"At the first stage, there will be dozens of planes, more than 50," said Vladimir Popovkin, deputy defense minister for arms procurement.
He was on hand as Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin observed the test flight of a prototype fighter and later talked to the pilot, Sergei Bogdan, who said it was the fighter's 16th test flight and more would follow shortly.
Popovkin said that based on the outcome of initial tests, the Defense Ministry would purchase the first six to 10 aircraft after 2012.
He said the fighter will be superior to U.S. analogs.
"The requirements we are setting on this plane are well above those for the U.S. fifth-generation aircraft," he said.
Putin said the Russian fighter will be about three times as cheap as its foreign analogs.
The prime minister said 30 billion rubles (around $1 billion) had already been spent on the project and another 30 billion would be required to complete it, after which the engine, weaponry and other components would be upgraded.
He said, factoring in modernization and upgrades, the fighter will have a service life of 30-35 years.
As Putin climbed into the cockpit of the plane, Bogdan began telling him about the aircraft's unique features, in particular the yoke that was very convenient, especially during overloads.
"I know, I have some flying experience," Putin said.
In 2000, then acting president Putin co-piloted a Sukhoi-27 Flanker fighter jet from Krasnodar to Chechnya's capital of Grozny ahead of presidential elections.
Russia's only known fifth-generation project is Sukhoi's PAK FA and the current prototype is the T-50. It is designed to compete with the U.S. F-22 Raptor, so far the world's only fifth-generation fighter, and the F-35 Lightning II.
Russia has been developing its newest fighter since the 1990s. The country's top military officials have said the stealth fighter jet with a range of up to 5,500 km should enter service with the Air Force in 2015.
The PAK FA is to be armed with next-generation air-to-air, air-to-surface, and air-to-ship missiles, and has two 30-mm cannons.

http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20100617/159464671.html

 

[Crusader53]

So, Russia says its going to order 50 PAK-FA's after 2016...........That means they will get 50 by 2020. Make you wonder when India will get its first FGFA???

 

[Georgian Hind]

I think They Cant produce 50 PAK FAs from 2016 to 2020.(for russian air force).

 

[bhramos]

sorry cross post
new pics of PAKFA

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Nice pics..
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[bhramos]

Nice pics..
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thanks mate.
you didnt post so i posted.

 

[StealthSniper]

I love how people are always trying to put down whatever Russia tries to do. First off people were saying that Russia were not making a Russian stealth fighter jet at all. Then when they see the prototype they say it will never fly. Then when they see pictures of it flying they say it will be useless and their is no need to make it. I noticed a lot of people like to look at the negative sides of things, but I think it's awesome how Russia is trying to get back on it's feet and is trying to develop new projects to show the world that it still can do things when it has the backing and funding to do so.

Of course America hates to see Russia doing good and will do everything to keep Russia "contained" and not be as powerful as it once was. But I think a strong Russia is need to keep global politics in check and hopefully India understands that America is just after your pocketbook, while Russia provides sensitive technology and has always helped India when it was needed. America is not offering their F-22, nuclear submarines, or aircraft carriers to India, and frankly Russia doesn't have to either, but they did and maybe people should think a little about where India would be if we didn't get the equipment from Russia.

 

[death.by.chocolate]

Of course America hates to see Russia doing good and will do everything to keep Russia "contained" and not be as powerful as it once was. But I think a strong Russia is need to keep global politics in check and hopefully India understands that America is just after your pocketbook, while Russia provides sensitive technology and has always helped India when it was needed. America is not offering their F-22, nuclear submarines, or aircraft carriers to India, and frankly Russia doesn't have to either, but they did and maybe people should think a little about where India would be if we didn't get the equipment from Russia.

oh! for heavens sake cry me a Volga our motivation to hate Russia ended with the demise of the USSR.
What does any of this have to do with Putin's photo op with the PAK-FA?

 

[plugwater]

Sukhoi T-50 Prototype Demonstrated For Putin

In a high-profile visit to view what is Russia's first "low-observable" aircraft, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin watched the prototype Sukhoi T-50 being put through its paces at the Zhukovsky flight test research center near Moscow and got a tour of the new aircraft's cockpit June 17.

The T-50 is being developed to meet the Russian air force's PAK FA requirement for a multirole fighter to replace the Su-27 Flanker. It has logged about 16 flights, say U.S. officials, first flying Jan. 29. (AW&ST Feb. 8, p. 30). The initial stage of state testing of the aircraft is presently due for completion in 2012.

Sukhoi chief Mikhail Pogosyan estimates there will be a worldwide market for 1,000 of the aircraft over the next 40 years. Putin contends the aircraft will carry a price tag that is one-third that of the U.S.-built Lockheed Martin F-22. Unlike the F-22, which the U.S. Congress has ruled cannot be sold to foreign governments, the new Sukhoi design is built with export in mind.

India is already a "participant" in the program, with an interest in a two-seat version of the PAK FA.

The first prototype T-50 is not believed to have been fitted with radar. The design will have at least two fixed active, electronically scanned arrays—one facing forward, the other facing aft and providing about a 120-deg. field of regard in each direction. The design may also have cheek radar apertures.

The aircraft is flying with a pair of NPO Saturn 117S engines, which are a further modification of the AL-31F engine family that powers various Flanker derivatives.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...totype Demonstrated For Putin&channel=defense

 

[Kunal Biswas]

recent Popovkin ( Popovkin is a deputy defense minister in charge of rearmament program who sometimes likes to talk trash but has been rather careful not to say anything stupid lately ) interview (in Russian) for those who are interested

http://vpk.name/news/41396_k_oruzhiy..._intervyu.html

quick overview

* some Mi-26 helos are being ordered as well

* second PAK FA prototype to fly before the end of 2010

* 10 more PAK FA airframes to start being produced around 2013 to complete the 3,000 test flight requirement

* a batch of 50-100 PAK FA airframes to be ordered around 2016