Sukhoi PAK FA

[bhramos]

2 Su-57 Frazor stealth fighters redeployed for a second time to #Khmeimin Air Force Base, located near the coastal city of Jableh & Latakia.(#Unconfirmed)

 

[bhramos]

#Sukhoi Su-57 first intial flights testing.........

 

[bhramos]

Confirmed Su-57 redeployed to #Syria!
now may Perform Low level Air-Ground Attacks....

 

[bhramos]

Su-57 is able to perform all tasks almost 100 percent in automatic mode.
may be in #Syria image just #representation...

 

[Armand2REP]

Su-57 is able to perform all tasks almost 100 percent in automatic mode.
may be in #Syria image just #representation...

It is capable of firing AMRAAM?

 

[Neptune]

It is capable of firing AMRAAM?

It uses the K-77M


-192km range
-AESA Active radar homing
-inertial navigation
-‘dual pulse’ motor
-ability to maneuver below subsonic speeds
-able to lock onto targets of RCS 0.003 sq .m

If india ever bought su57 it will become su57mki .

No it won’t. At best India would maybe make slight improvements to maybe the HUD or use its own navigation. That’s about it.

The integration of sensor fusion alone will make it extremely difficult to just replace a single system. It would be like thinking you can cut off an artery from a heart and replace it with some synthetic rubber without putting the body in danger.

Furthermore, it would mean India would not be able to operate the S-70, which is integrated with the SU-57. Not much is known but it’s obvious the S-70 has a much smaller RCS and is designed for deep strikes or deep penetration of airspace, something very handy considering how mischievous Pakistani is.

The only thing common with other su57 will be frame and engine everything else will be changed from Russian to Indian and western.

It took Russia more then a decade to develop the radar(s) in which they have a decades old pedigree of building radars. They spent vast amount of money doing it too. What makes you seriously think India can develop a better radar? It’s just not happening.

Su57 MKI will have .
Indian aesa radar . Indian mission computer .
Indian aesa based ew suite with sensor fusion.
Indian rwr , Indian Maws , Indian irst .

Again, what makes you think India has better IRST or MAWS, or anything else you mentioned? The systems of the SU-57 makes the SU-35 look ancient, do you believe India can even make an equivalent to the SU-35 in avionics?

India took the SU-30 and made some improvements but the bulk of the systems are still Russian. India has some talented engineers that made improvements to the SU-30 but India has had the SU-30 for around two decades. Much like China, Russia has made rapid advances in avionics in the past decade, so technically speaking there were many improvements that could have been done (and were done) to the SU-30; now the situation has changed.


At this point there is nothing that France or the Israelis can offer for the SU-57 that would be any kind of serious improvements over what Russia has developed. Certainly nothing that would warrant the headache and cost of trying to integrate foreign systems.


From MAKS, just for fun:

 

[asianobserve]

It uses the K-77M


-192km range
-AESA Active radar homing
-inertial navigation
-‘dual pulse’ motor
-ability to maneuver below subsonic speeds
-able to lock onto targets of RCS 0.003 sq .m

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No it won’t. At best India would maybe make slight improvements to maybe the HUD or use its own navigation. That’s about it.

The integration of sensor fusion alone will make it extremely difficult to just replace a single system. It would be like thinking you can cut off an artery from a heart and replace it with some synthetic rubber without putting the body in danger.

Furthermore, it would mean India would not be able to operate the S-70, which is integrated with the SU-57. Not much is known but it’s obvious the S-70 has a much smaller RCS and is designed for deep strikes or deep penetration of airspace, something very handy considering how mischievous Pakistani is.










It took Russia more then a decade to develop the radar(s) in which they have a decades old pedigree of building radars. They spent vast amount of money doing it too. What makes you seriously think India can develop a better radar? It’s just not happening.









Again, what makes you think India has better IRST or MAWS, or anything else you mentioned? The systems of the SU-57 makes the SU-35 look ancient, do you believe India can even make an equivalent to the SU-35 in avionics?

India took the SU-30 and made some improvements but the bulk of the systems are still Russian. India has some talented engineers that made improvements to the SU-30 but India has had the SU-30 for around two decades. Much like China, Russia has made rapid advances in avionics in the past decade, so technically speaking there were many improvements that could have been done (and were done) to the SU-30; now the situation has changed.


At this point there is nothing that France or the Israelis can offer for the SU-57 that would be any kind of serious improvements over what Russia has developed. Certainly nothing that would warrant the headache and cost of trying to integrate foreign systems.


From MAKS, just for fun:

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Even old Rafale will be better then Su-57. Just look at the reaction of the Turkish President and muted silence of Turkish military to Purin's offer of Su57 to Turkey who had just been kicked out of F-35 program? The bombastic Sultan Erdo cannot even prsise the new weapon of his new buddy Czar Putin....

It's like Indian reaction to Su57.

 

[Armand2REP]

It uses the K-77M

The missile in the photo is clearly AMRAAM. If it cannot fire it then it must be the Russians admitting that it is not stealthy and that it can be detected by Western radars so it must use its maneuverability to dodge it.

 

[Neptune]

Even old Rafale will be better then Su-57. Just look at the reaction of the Turkish President and muted silence of Turkish military to Purin's offer of Su57 to Turkey who had just been kicked out of F-35 program? The bombastic Sultan Erdo cannot even prsise the new weapon of his new buddy Czar Putin....

It's like Indian reaction to Su57.

You sound like a ignorant child but Yea, I’m sure the Rafale is “better” The Rafale does literally nothing better.

The SU-57 has far greater stand-off, weapons both air-to-Air and air to ground and a much smaller RCS. Those factors alone give the SU-57 far greater survivability. It beats the snot out of the Rafale in kinetic performance, it has greater situational awareness with the addition of side lobe radars which also aid in scanning ground targets and aiding in beam steering. It operates in conjunction with the S-70. The list goes on....

 

[Neptune]

The missile in the photo is clearly AMRAAM. If it cannot fire it then it must be the Russians admitting that it is not stealthy and that it can be detected by Western radars so it must use its maneuverability to dodge it.

You make no sense and are making up a bunch of nonsense.

 

[asianobserve]

You make no sense and are making up a bunch of nonsense.

Unless one is blind then that is an AMRAAM in this photo:


That's the same missile as this one:

The R-77 variants have these silhouettes:


R-77 variants:
R-77 (RVV-AE),
R-77PD (RVV-PD),
RVV-ZRK,
K-77M (izdeliye 180),
K-77ME (izdeliyе 180-BD)

BTW, that Su-57 doctored photo launching an American AMRAAM missile is very crude propahanda.

 

[Neptune]

Unless one is blind then that is an AMRAAM in this photo:


That's the same missile as this one:

The R-77 variants have these silhouettes:


R-77 variants:
R-77 (RVV-AE),
R-77PD (RVV-PD),
RVV-ZRK,
K-77M (izdeliye 180),
K-77ME (izdeliyе 180-BD)

No shit. Did I ever claim anything about the photoshopped pictures at all at any point? On the contrary I talked about the K-77M.

 

[Steven Rogers]

You sound like a ignorant child but Yea, I’m sure the Rafale is “better” The Rafale does literally nothing better.

The SU-57 has far greater stand-off, weapons both air-to-Air and air to ground and a much smaller RCS. Those factors alone give the SU-57 far greater survivability. It beats the snot out of the Rafale in kinetic performance, it has greater situational awareness with the addition of side lobe radars which also aid in scanning ground targets and aiding in beam steering. It operates in conjunction with the S-70. The list goes on....

additional radars are better u

It uses the K-77M


-192km range
-AESA Active radar homing
-inertial navigation
-‘dual pulse’ motor
-ability to maneuver below subsonic speeds
-able to lock onto targets of RCS 0.003 sq .m

View attachment 38926






No it won’t. At best India would maybe make slight improvements to maybe the HUD or use its own navigation. That’s about it.

The integration of sensor fusion alone will make it extremely difficult to just replace a single system. It would be like thinking you can cut off an artery from a heart and replace it with some synthetic rubber without putting the body in danger.

Furthermore, it would mean India would not be able to operate the S-70, which is integrated with the SU-57. Not much is known but it’s obvious the S-70 has a much smaller RCS and is designed for deep strikes or deep penetration of airspace, something very handy considering how mischievous Pakistani is.










It took Russia more then a decade to develop the radar(s) in which they have a decades old pedigree of building radars. They spent vast amount of money doing it too. What makes you seriously think India can develop a better radar? It’s just not happening.









Again, what makes you think India has better IRST or MAWS, or anything else you mentioned? The systems of the SU-57 makes the SU-35 look ancient, do you believe India can even make an equivalent to the SU-35 in avionics?

India took the SU-30 and made some improvements but the bulk of the systems are still Russian. India has some talented engineers that made improvements to the SU-30 but India has had the SU-30 for around two decades. Much like China, Russia has made rapid advances in avionics in the past decade, so technically speaking there were many improvements that could have been done (and were done) to the SU-30; now the situation has changed.


At this point there is nothing that France or the Israelis can offer for the SU-57 that would be any kind of serious improvements over what Russia has developed. Certainly nothing that would warrant the headache and cost of trying to integrate foreign systems.


From MAKS, just for fun:

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Su57 is not even operational(also not matured)all those things which you have said are questionable other than the fact on Su57 parts replacement(which on itself will be head ache to even try). The kind of sensor integration is only known to russians so it is literally not possible to put them as a benchmark. Last i know IAF was unhappy with the stealth,engine and sensors particularly the radar on su57.....Side looking radars are not meant to get a lockon or paint target independently,it works more of retaining the lock even after the target is outside the fov of the front radar....

 

[bhramos]

Unmanned aerial vehicle "Okhotnik" made the first joint flight with a fifth-generation fighter Su-57 As part of the ongoing test program, the Okhotnik UAV flew in an automated mode in full configuration with access to the duty zone

 

[Steven Rogers]

Unmanned aerial vehicle "Okhotnik" made the first joint flight with a fifth-generation fighter Su-57 As part of the ongoing test program, the Okhotnik UAV flew in an automated mode in full configuration with access to the duty zone

did i spotted that rounded nozzle......

 

[Armand2REP]

did i spotted that rounded nozzle......

It is just the regular AL-31F jammed in there like they always do. Until Russia develops ducted nozzles they will never have a stealth technology.

 

[Neptune]

additional radars are better u

Su57 is not even operational(also not matured)

The SU-57 recently made a second deployment to Syria. During the first deployment it already fired cruise missiles at real targets. These deployments are made to test, evaluate, improve and mature the aircraft. Weapons, radar, navigation and engines are all tested in unfamiliar environments with hostile aircraft never far away.

all those things which you have said are questionable other than the fact on Su57 parts replacement

What did I say was questionable? I can only present facts, if you are implying that India can produce a better radar or avionics suit then Russia I don’t know what to tell you.


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Last i know IAF was unhappy with the stealth,engine and sensors particularly the radar on su57.....

There was an Indian delegation looking at the SU-57 last month. The Indians were also unhappy with everything, be it Typhoons or Grippens, they will bicker at anything....At the time India was evaluating the SU-57 it was far from a finished product, it for instance, used the SU-35 cockpit and engines, since then they designed and installed the proper displays and new engine were tested, as were cruise missiles and many other avionics as well as integrating and testing the aircraft with the S-70.


The SU-57 has improved drastically since India got a ‘look’. The SU-57s engines and radar are far superior to anything in the Indian Air Force including the Rafale.

 

[Neptune]

It is just the regular AL-31F jammed in there like they always do. Until Russia develops ducted nozzles they will never have a stealth technology.

Better tell the F-35 designers that, I’m sure even someone like you would know it’s It’s just a flight prototype and you don’t need “ducted nozzles” to be “stealthy”. Those “ducted nozzles have more to do with IR reduction then RCS. If the engine is not ready for the S-70 then they will use whatever is available until it’s ready.

And Russia already developed “ducted nozzles” decades ago and tested them on an SU-27, they also incorporated them onto the defunct Mig Skat; if you did any research you would have know that. Likewise you would have know that they plan on doing this:

 

[Armand2REP]

Better tell the F-35 designers that, I’m sure even someone like you would know it’s It’s just a flight prototype and you don’t need “ducted nozzles” to be “stealthy”. Those “ducted nozzles have more to do with IR reduction then RCS.

The F-35 is not as stealthy as the F-22 for that reason. Refracting radar returns does not eliminate them unless they are absorbed. If you have networked radars in multipleI locations the F-35 will be easily detected from the rear aspect. IR returns are also an important aspect of stealth, even noise reduction is part of stealth.

 

[Neptune]

The F-35 is not as stealthy as the F-22 for that reason.

In full pitch (deflection) the nozzles of the F-22 are terrible in regards to RCS, even when they are not in full pitch they have far larger gaps and discontinuities, then that of the F-35, the nozzles even have 90 degree corners which is the biggest no..no in “stealth”. The thrust vectoring sacrifices a lot and as a result you see 90 degree corners, bolts, gaps, and mechanical parts.

The F-22 nozzles are better in IR, anyone arguing otherwise is a fool.

Refracting radar returns does not eliminate them unless they are absorbed.

Very good.

If you have networked radars in multipleI locations the F-35 will be easily detected from the rear aspect. IR returns are also an important aspect of stealth, even noise reduction is part of stealth.

And you personally tested this or did Lockheed just come out and release this information on how to defeat an F-35? I will let you in on a secret, no aircraft is invisible, depending on aircraft hemisphere and proximity as well as using the right frequency will expose any aircraft, even an F-22.

The problem is how are you going to do that? What makes you think that an F-22, F-35, SU-57 or J-20 would allow anyone to get close enough? Any competent Air Force would do careful mission planning to locate and destroy radar and SAMs, or at minimum fly around them, and of course other aircraft including AWACS will ensure no one points any magic network of radars.