Sukhoi PAK FA

[IndianHawk]

There are 3 Indian prototypes (PMI-1/2/3) in production on KnAAZ to be delivered in 2019-2020.

What prototypes ?? With what specifications ?? No news on any such agreement .

 

[smestarz]

I dont think that FGFA will be much different to PAKFA except that most of FGFA will be twin seaters and few Single seater PAKFA might be taken too,
When India went for Su-30 MKI the 4th Gen technologies were mature, Su-30 MKI Bars Radar was one of the best then AESA was still a technology, Thus whatever 4th Gen technology was available, India could try and source from Israel or France, The only countires that have really developed and used the 5th Gen tech are USA, China, Russia, mainly from avionics to plane. France and Israel are trying to develop just technologies, Now the Radar that Russians are using, there are nothing like that RBE-2AA or other radars are smaller, so the Russian radar is better option, Receivers and Jammers the Russians have developed the plane like an entire ecosystem, so there are few chances that India can really improve it, The only PMF part might be that India might want Russians to provide the source code so that Indians can use their own weapons like ASTRA etc from PAKFA if required.

Update PAK FA to FGFA level? Why to?
Export weapons can be equal or inferior to Russian-internal usage ones
Why do you believe that FGFA will be superior to original PAK FA?

PMI prototypes are actually a PAK FA Stage-II prototypes, single seaters, with minor changes required by IAF for seamless usage and English localised software.
They are not FGFA prototypes but a planes for interim testing and evaluation by IAF to help them form up sane and substantial requirements for FGFA project based on T-50 platform.
FGFA will be generally a twin-seater PAK FA with Indian mission computers, partial Indian software and Indian weapons integrated. All of this with wide TOT and Make in India offsets.

 

[gadeshi]

Just one small question,
Russia is no longer USSR, the flag is no longer RED background with hammer and sickle and Star, its White blue and red horizontal bands. Why are the wing and fuselage markings still the same old Red Star?

That's because Russia is an official internationally recognised ancestor of USSR and its traditions of military currage and glory. Why to change the great symbols?

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[gadeshi]

What prototypes ?? With what specifications ?? No news on any such agreement .

Information is short.
All sources known say the designation, customer and a few details on minor changes.

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[airtel]

I dont think that FGFA will be much different to PAKFA except that most of FGFA will be twin seaters and few Single seater PAKFA might be taken too,
When India went for Su-30 MKI the 4th Gen technologies were mature, Su-30 MKI Bars Radar was one of the best then AESA was still a technology, Thus whatever 4th Gen technology was available, India could try and source from Israel or France, The only countires that have really developed and used the 5th Gen tech are USA, China, Russia, mainly from avionics to plane. France and Israel are trying to develop just technologies, Now the Radar that Russians are using, there are nothing like that RBE-2AA or other radars are smaller, so the Russian radar is better option, Receivers and Jammers the Russians have developed the plane like an entire ecosystem, so there are few chances that India can really improve it, The only PMF part might be that India might want Russians to provide the source code so that Indians can use their own weapons like ASTRA etc from PAKFA if required.

So why Indians are Investing in GaN Foundry ?? if we can make GaN based AESA radars , EW suite & other components then India will Use them in our jets .


Russian design + Russian Engine but rest of the avionics should be Indian .

 

[gadeshi]

So why Indians are Investing in GaN Foundry ?? if we can make GaN based AESA radars , EW suite & other components then India will Use them in our jets .
Russian design + Russian Engine but rest of the avionics should be Indian .

From what source will India get GaN technology, how do you think?
Does India have flat LTCC GaN TRMs technology?
Does it have complex apertures formation from that modules perfect enough to create effective "smart skin"?
Does it have fully-digital AESA technology (DAESA)?

Investing in GaN factory is good and very sane but the road from GaN technology basics to real military grade technology pieces are very long.

 

[pankaj nema]

Information is short.
All sources known say the designation, customer and a few details on minor changes.

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When can we expect India and Russia to sign a formal agreement

 

[gadeshi]

When can we expect India and Russia to sign a formal agreement

Who knows, the guys from KnAAZ and Sukhoi LIS in Zhukovskiy are interested in technical details, not in politics most cases (and so do I).
So I'll wait for official release.

 

[TPFscopes]

Who knows, the guys from KnAAZ and Sukhoi LIS in Zhukovskiy are interested in technical details, not in politics most cases (and so do I).
So I'll wait for official release.

Is there any source for the confirmation for 3 PMI for India or its rumours spreading there?

 

[gadeshi]

Is there any source for the confirmation for 3 PMI for India or its rumours spreading there?

There were an interview of general Yuriy Borisov in 2016 where were said about KnAAZ production plans on T-50 prototypes.
"3 of them are planned for India" general has said.
The rest is barely legal inside from KnAAZ engineers on AF forums.
Several of them named those 3 as PMI-1/2/3 (which is confirmed by Sukhoi internal name for FGFA program).
If no constant delays in contract IAF could get the first one this year, before T-50-10, but they are moved after T-50-12.

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[TPFscopes]

There were an interview of general Yuriy Borisov in 2016 where were said about KnAAZ productiosimilitn T-50 prototypes.
"3 of them are planned for India" general has said.
The rest is barely legal inside from KnAAZ engineers on AF forums.
Several of them named those 3 as PMI-1/2/3 (which is confirmed by Sukhoi internal name for FGFA program).
If no constant delays in contract IAF could get the first one this year, before T-50-10, but they are moved after T-50-12.

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In India, there is nothing other than rumours in the air.
None of them either experts or IAF top brasses say any word about PMI-1/2/3 ( or similar) are on Production line.
As general said, it was the usual prescribed plan for 2 or 3 evaluation Airframes for IAF.

 

[smestarz]

So why not change back to the Czarist symbols like the flag? The present Russian flag is from the times of Czar so why not revert the roundels (as the markings are called) back to Czarist?
Or is Russia facinated by the Red Star??

That's because Russia is an official internationally recognised ancestor of USSR and its traditions of military currage and glory. Why to change the great symbols?

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[smestarz]

We are investing in GaN foundary, the Russians are ahead of us and also developing photonic radar,
At most indianss might use INDIAN components, like TRMs rest of the ecosystem of PAKFA seems totally developed, Or you expect the Indian GaN based Radar to have a better range and capabilty than the Russian ones?

So why Indians are Investing in GaN Foundry ?? if we can make GaN based AESA radars , EW suite & other components then India will Use them in our jets .


Russian design + Russian Engine but rest of the avionics should be Indian .

 

[bhramos]

T-50 PAK FA practising for MAKS-2017!!!

 

[gadeshi]

So why not change back to the Czarist symbols like the flag? The present Russian flag is from the times of Czar so why not revert the roundels (as the markings are called) back to Czarist?
Or is Russia facinated by the Red Star??

It is long to describe.
Can talk to you in private later if you re still interested in it.

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[gadeshi]

In India, there is nothing other than rumours in the air.
None of them either experts or IAF top brasses say any word about PMI-1/2/3 ( or similar) are on Production line.
As general said, it was the usual prescribed plan for 2 or 3 evaluation Airframes for IAF.

Well, Russians are always agile and provisioned in production plans and chains.
They prefere to make a "future deposites" to start or procede construction when needed.
So I'll not be surprised if they did so for the 3 PMIs and now can postpone it safely until they will be contracted or use them for PAK FA LRIP-1 if not.

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[TPFscopes]

So, finally FGFA/PMF lovers should have to wait for some credible information rather to believe on rumours.

Every nation plays their business tactics and contract delay is one of it from russian end.

 

[Aghore_King]

Well, Russians are always agile and provisioned in production plans and chains.
They prefere to make a "future deposites" to start or procede construction when needed.
So I'll not be surprised if they did so for the 3 PMIs and now can postpone it safely until they will be contracted or use them for PAK FA LRIP-1 if not.

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What would be the extent of transfer of technology possible if a deal is signed for fgfa between Russia and India..

 

[TPFscopes]

What would be the extent of transfer of technology possible if a deal is signed for fgfa between Russia and India..

It's the actual reason for delay because India wants the value for its money whereas Russia wants to follow its previous path to fool with screwdriver technology.
Hopefully, this time India looks more serious than its past deals like Su-30MKI , mig-21 , T-90 etc.

 

[gadeshi]

It's the actual reason for delay because India wants the value for its money whereas Russia wants to follow its previous path to fool with screwdriver technology.
Hopefully, this time India looks more serious than its past deals like Su-30MKI , mig-21 , T-90 etc.

T-90MS and Su-30MKI MLU upgrade are proposed for MiA program offset this year as well.