Su-30 MKI

[p2prada]

The peak power for the Irbis is only going to get around 10% translated into actual power gain, it is the same for all radars. duh

Like you are going to make a case that European radar technology is obsolete compared to Russian... please. I still have that bridge for you. lol

You are comparing 2 completely different eras. The Su-35 has more processing power than the EMPAR and this has nothing to do with any sort of edge you may have gotten over the last 2 decades.

The Irbis claims a 60% increase over Bars with twice the actual power delivered and also by using better processing and software. Is that not realistic enough? Simply because the Irbis exceeds performance parameters of European or American systems does not mean it's not true. Your own pilot from Garuda 2 claims Bars has a detection capability of 100NM. Irbis claims 170NM, which is obviously realistic if you use a bit of logic. The Russians have improved their quality by a huge margin since 1993.

If you compare mode for mode, the Irbis will exceed any flying radar in operation today including the 3rd gen American AESAs. It is just that the American AESA work in multiple modes with greater efficiency that makes them more sophisticated whereas Irbis with twin TWTs cannot do the same.

The Phazatron AESA already exceeds Bars by 10-20% in detection range and that too with lesser peak power of 5KW compared to 8KW on bars. Even the RBE-2 AESA version claims an increased tracking range by 50% over the RBE-2 operational version. Should I claim that is false as well? The RBE-2 AESA is only an upgraded RBE-2 whereas the Irbis is a whole new radar with derivations from Bars. There is always a limit to hypocrisy and there are people who identify it when it tumbles out.

You are mixing up power gain with other things. We aren't talking about power consumed, we are talking about real power that can be received. Modern radars work with a duty cycle of greater than 15% and some at 20%. Are you claiming the 1987 figures for EMPAR cannot be exceeded ever? There are many radar systems today that make the EMPAR look like something that was dug out of Egypt. Look at the specs of the British SAMPSON,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAMPSON

It exceeds EMPAR by a long shot and that too by delivering only 25KW. You are in the 21st century now. Act like you live in the 21st century. All new radar systems use lesser power and are more efficient than your EMPAR. Blame better receivers, better software and better processing with increased build quality for making EMPAR type radars obsolete. You aren't selling any bridges here mate.

 

[nitesh]

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-13061-cr-for-2010-11/articleshow/7837180.cms

The first Su-30 MKI aircraft manufactured out of raw material rolled out of the Company in this financial year and the first raw material phase engine for the Su30 MKI successfully completed the Long Test at its Koraput facility.

 

[adilali0000]

G

I love this fighter jet.. it`s have lots of features ....

 

[nrj]

SWAC gets a boost with Su-30MKI squadrons

Jodhpur: The Indian Air Force's south west air command (SWAC) will have a Su-30MKI squadron permanently based at Jodhpur sometime in the next two years, according to air marshal AK Gogoi, AOC-in-C of SWAC. Speaking here on Wednesday, air marshal Gogoi said the air force was strengthening itself and would be able to deal with any sort of threat especially from Pakistan and China.

He also revealed that SWAC was in the process of strengthening its surveillance capabilities by inducting a few state-of-the-art, medium power radars (MPR). The MPR is an AESA system developed for the IAF, which will be able to detect small targets at ranges in excess of 300 km.

"The SWAC will be the first air command to have this modern radar technology," air marshal Gogoi said.

"We have already received it and are in the process of making it functional in Gujarat," he said on the last day of his visit here.

Gogoi further said proposals are on to develop the Deesa airport as a full-fledged air base. "Considering the strategic importance of this base and the development taking place around it, we have mooted a proposal to the defence ministry worth over Rs3,000 crore as first phase to strengthen the infrastructure of this base and we are going to push this proposal during the commanders' conference scheduled shortly," he said.

Deesa like Phalodi air base, is close to the Pakistan border.

Air marshal Gogoi was commissioned into the fighter stream of the Indian Air Force in 1973. He has flown over 3000 hours on various aircraft, and is a qualified flying instructor and a fighter combat leader.

Air marshal Gogoi was director general, air operations, at Air HQ prior to his current appointment.

He is a recipient of Ati Vishisht Seva Medal and Vishisht Seva Medal.

Source

 

[vikramrana_1812]

http://soldier007.blogspot.com/2011...+Soldier007+(Soldier+007)&utm_content=Twitter

 

[lambu]

Russia Spat Delays BrahMos Air Version

A war of words between India and Russia is threatening to delay the development of the air version of the BrahMos cruise missile, a joint effort of the two countries.

Friction between the two countries mainly stems from the redesigning of the Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft to make it capable of launching a 300-kg BrahMos supersonic missile from the air.

While the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) wants its Russian partner, NPO Mashinostroeyenia, to foot the bill, the latter feels that India should be financing the Sukhoi redesigning.

Irked by the unreasonable demands placed by Russia, India has decided to go it alone. The DRDO has asked Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to submit a plan for the Sukhoi redesigning.

HAL's technicians have done a preliminary study and have conveyed to the BrahMos Aerospace that they can undertake the task at a "much, much lesser cost".

Top sources told this newspaper that though the Russians are ready to undertake the redesigning, "they are asking a lot of money". Sources, however, refused to reveal the exact bill Russians wanted to slap on the DRDO.

When asked whether "is it something like a hundred crores", pat came the reply: "Many, many hundred crores!"

But more than the amount it's the Russian style of business that has irked Indian defence scientists. "They are preventing us from undertaking the job, citing a clause in the transfer of technology pact," said a source. "They won't do it for a reasonable amount and aren't allowing us to do it either."

The standoff has already delayed the testing of the air version of the missile. "We have made the launcher that would be integrated with the Sukhoi. It has been ground-tested. But we need to confirm our studies by firing a missile from it when the aircraft is engaged in high-speed manoeuvres," sources said.

For carrying the missile, Sukhoi's underbelly will have to be further strengthened and reinforced. "There will be some structural changes to the fuselage too," said the source. "This will allow the Sukhoi to continue to carry its normal menu of missiles and anti-aircraft guns."

The Russian reaction to the DRDO's move is still awaited. "Well, they normally engage us in these who-will-blink-first games," added the source. "But this time we wanted to clearly communicate that we can't be fatigued out of this. If all goes well, we will have the first test flight before the yearend."

http://www.defencenews.in/defence-ne...get=new&id=452

 

[Armand2REP]

Friction between the two countries mainly stems from the redesigning of the Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft to make it capable of launching a 300-kg BrahMos supersonic missile from the air.

Didn't they leave off a zero?

They want to charge $100 million for what?

 

[p2prada]

The Russia India spat for Brahmos integration has already been proven wrong by none other than the chairman of Brahmos corporation.

The contract has already been signed and modifications are already happening on 2 MKI aircraft in Russia. The rest 38 aircraft followed by the final batch of MKIs will have this modification as well followed with integration and testing in India. So, nothing left for discussion.

 

[SpArK]

Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy
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Come 2012 the first batch of 50 Sukhoi Su-30MKI multi-role combat aircraft (MRCA), which were delivered to the Indian Air Force (IAF) between 2001 and 2003, will be shipped back to Russia's IRKUT Corp in Irkutsk where they will be refurbished and upgraded from into formidable air supremacy MRCAs (to be called Super Su-30MKI), and delivered back to the IAF starting 2014.

The upgrades, costing Rs109.2 billion, will include the strengthening and service life-extension of the Su-30MKI airframes; and installation of uprated turbofans, new glass cockpit avionics, mission management avionics, and integrated defensive aids suites. This will be followed by another batch of 42 new-build Su-30MKIs to be subjected to identical upgrades, with deliveries of these aircraft beginning in 2015 and ending in 2018. It is expected that in future the Su-30MKMs of Malaysia and Su-30MKAs of Algeria too will be subjected to such 'deep' upgrade programmes.

The airframe strengthening programme for the 50 Su-30MKIs, when completed, will enable each of the 50 Su-30MKIs to carry two 290km-range underwing BrahMos supersonic multi-role (land-attack and maritime strike) cruise missiles (which itself is presently undergoing a weight reduction exercise), and also accommodate two uprated Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans. The AL-31FP, presently rated at 126kN with afterburning, will offer 20% more power when uprated by NPO Saturn—its manufacturer--and will have a total technical service life of 6,000 hours, instead of the present 2,000 hours.

The uprated engine will also employ a larger diameter fan, redesigned key hot-end components and cooling system technologies to permit reduced thrust lapse rates with altitude, which in turn will permit supercruise flight regimes.

Also to be incorporated into the uprated engine will be new-generation full-authority digital engine controls (FADEC) as well as all-axis thrust-vectoring nozzles (±15 degrees in the vertical plane and ±8 degrees in the horizontal plane, with deflection angle rates of up to 60 degrees per second). The digital flight-control computer too will be replaced to achieve harmonisation of the digital flight control laws associated with supercruise and all-aspect supermanoeuvrability.

The glass cockpit avionics package, developed by Russia's Avionica MRPC and Tekhnocomplex Scientific and Production Centre, will include new-generation hands-on-throttle-and-stick (HOTAS) controls made by KB Aviaavtomatika, panoramic active-matrix liquid crystal displays, and a compact OLS infra-red search-and-track sensor developed by the Ekaterinburg-based Urals Optical & Mechanical Plant.

The mission management avionics package will include dual redundant core avionics computers developed by the Defence Research & development Organisation's (DRDO) Bangalore-based Defence Avionics Research Establishment (DARE) and built by Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). The integrated defensive aids suite, now being developed by a joint venture of DARE and Cassidian of Germany, will include the MILDS AN/AAR-60 missile approach warning system (MAWS).

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The open-architecture IDAS has been under joint development by DARE and Germany-based Cassidian since 2006, and will include the AAR-60(V)2 MILDS F missile approach warning system, the EW management computer and Tarang Mk3 radar warning receiver (developed by DARE and built by Bharat Electronics Ltd), a countermeasures dispenser built by Bharat Dynamics Ltd, TsNIRTI-developed expendable active electronic decoys, a reusable fibre-optic ABRL active radar towed-decoy using suppression, deception and seduction techniques, and an internal EW suite supplied by Elettronica of Italy (the very same Virgilius suite that is on board the MiG-29UPG).

The Virgilius family of directional jammers, which are also used by the Eurofighter EF-2000, make use of active phased-array transmitters for jamming hostile low-band (E-G) and high-band (G-J) emitters, and is considered an equivalent of the AESA aperture-based jammers of THALES' Spectra EW suite.

The ABRL can be deployed manually from the cockpit, or automatically upon threat detection. It provides active interference to the terminal guidance of incoming air combat/surface-to-air missiles in order to provide for an increased miss-distance to outside lethal range.

The ABRL features four rear-mounted lattice control fins to provide for decoy control and providing a certain amount of drag for enhanced stability during extreme manoeuvring. The advantages of lattice controls are that they can be folded down to facilitate carriage (in this application) inside a compact launch tube, are capable of unstalled operation at up to 50-degree angles of attack, and significantly reduce the demands placed on their actuators. In essence, they provide a great deal of lifting area despite having a very small chord, so combine outstanding effectiveness with comparatively small hinge moments. In the ABRL, the lattice fins are hinged forward into a recess in the decoy body and deploy rearwards upon decoy deployment.

The principal on-board mission management avionics components of the upgraded Su-30MKIs will be the multi-mode MIRES X-band active electronically steered-array (AESA) multi-mode radar (MMR), developed and built by the V Tikhomirov Scientific-Research Institute of Instrument Design along with Ryazan Instrument-Making Plant Federal State Unitary Enterprise, and modular L-band and S-band transmit/receive (T/R) modules that will be housed within the Su-30MKI's forward wing and wing-root sections, as well as on the vertical tail sections.

The MIRES, using the back-end elements of the Su-30MKI's existing NO-11M 'Bars' PESA-based MMR, will be able to simultaneously perform up to five 'core' functions, comprising look-up and shoot-up; look-down and shoot-down; directional jamming of hostile data-links; real-beam ground mapping via Doppler-beam sharpening in the inverse synthetic aperture radar (ISAR) mode; and ground moving target indication. This will give the Super Su-30MKIs an unprecedented degree of all-round situational awareness and interleaving mission synchronicity (performed by the two-man crew), which will be available, for the most part, from only the F/A-18 Super Hornet's International Roadmap variant once it becomes available from 2013 onwards.

The MIRES radar's GaAs-based RF components (transistors, diodes and MMICs) have been developed and made by Moscow-based NPO 'Istok'. The wing-/tail-mounted L-band or S-band T/R modules will be employed for secondary airspace surveillance, as well as for missile approach warning and directional jamming of airborne tactical data-links associated with BVRAAMs and AEW & C platforms, thus transforming the upgraded Su-30MKI into a combined airborne early warning/tactical battlespace management platform. With operating in wavelengths of between 6 and 12 inches, L-band permits good long-range airspace search performance with modestly-sized antennae, while providing excellent weather penetration and reasonably well-behaved ground clutter environments, compared to shorter wavelength bands.

The basic L-band modular AESA array design and its integration into the leading edge flap structure have already been flight-certified. The physical alignment of the array is with the leading edge of the wing, at 42 degrees for the Su-30MKI's airframe. Each array will employ 12 antenna elements. Three quad T/R modules each drive four antenna elements, for a total of 12 elements per array, in three sub-arrays. The linear array is embedded in the leading edge of the wing flap, with the geometrical broadside direction normal to the leading edge. The leading edge skin of the flap covering the AESA is a dielectric radome, which is conformal with the flap leading-edge shape. The array geometry produces a fan-shaped main lobe, which is swept in azimuth by phase control of the 12 T/R modules, providing a two dimensional volume-search capability. The arrangement of the AESA produces a fan-shaped beam, which is swept in azimuth to cover a volume in the forward hemisphere of the aircraft. The distributed AESA arrays (X-band, L-band and an optional S-band) are nothing less than the 'shared multifunction aperture' model now very popular in the design of Western X-band AESA-based MMRs, including the Raytheon APG-79 and Northrop Grumman APG-80. However, the greatest advantage of such on-board distributed AESA arrays is that they will convert the Su-30MKI into a mini-AEW & C platform capable of undertaking tactical airborne battle management tasks in support of offensive air campaigns deep within hostile airspace, thereby doing away with the need for dedicated AEW & C platforms, which could then be more gainfully employed for strategic airspace surveillance-cum-management. Thus far, the IAF has projected a requirement for 50 Su-30MKIs to be configured as mini-AEW & C platforms.

Other new-generation avionics to be installed on the Super Su-30MKI will include the RAM-1701AS radio altimeter, TACAN-2901AJ and DME-2950A tactical air navigation system combined with the ANS-1100A VOL/ILS marker, CIT-4000A Mk12 IFF transponder, COM-1150A UHF standby comms radio, UHF SATCOM transceiver, and the SDR-2010 SoftNET four-channel software-defined radio (working in VHF/UHF and L-band for voice and data communications), and the Bheem-EU brake control/engine/electrical monitoring system, all of which have been developed in-house by the Hyderabad-based Strategic Electronics R & D Centre of Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL). The digital air data computers and flight data recorders and their automated test benches will be supplied by Bengaluru-based SLN Technologies Pvt Ltd.

For air dominance operations the upgraded Su-30MKI will be armed with two types of new-generation air combat missiles from Vympel JSC: the RVV-MD within-visual-range missile, and the RVV-SD beyond-visual-range missile. The RVV-MD's maximum range is 40km (the existing R-73E has 30km range) and comes equipped with a two-colour imaging infra-red sensor that has +/-60-degree off-boresight tracking capability. The manoeuvre controls are aero- and gas-dynamical. The maximum angle-of-attack is significantly higher than that of the R-73E, and can hit targets that are manoeuvring at 12 G. The RVV-SD has a maximum range of 110km and engage targets flying at an altitude of 25km. Equipped with both laser-based and contact fuzes, the RVV-SD has a 22.5kg warhead, mass of 190kg, length of 3.71 metres, diameter of 0.2 metres, and wingspan of 0.42 metres. It too can engage targets manoeuvring at 12G. The guidance system is inertial for the middle course, with radio-correction and a jam-resistant active radar for the terminal phase.

Like the existing Su-30MKIs, the upgraded models too will be equipped with COBHAM's 754 buddy-buddy refuelling pod (20 units have already been delivered to the IAF to date), Elbit Systems' Condor 2 LOROP pod, IAI/ELTA's ELM-2060P ISAR pod, and RAFAEL's Litening-3 laser designator pod.

To date, India has ordered a total of 272 Su-30MKIs, with deliveries continuing till 2018. Thus far, about 120 Su-30MKIs have been delivered to the IAF. These are presently deployed with the Lohegaon, Pune-based No2 'Winged Arrows' Sqn, No20 'Lightnings' Sqn, No30 'Rhinos' Sqn and No31 'Lions' Sqn; Bareilly-based No24 'Hunting Hawks' Sqn; Tezpur-based No8 'Pursoots' Sqn; and No102 'Trisonics' Sqn at Chabua.

TRISHUL: Super Su-30MKI: From Air Dominance To Air Supremacy

 

[venkat]

Bheem-EU is meant for LCA!!! How about samtel AMLCD displays? Much better RAM-1750 is available compared to RAM-1701AS.ISTOK makes TWT tubes for radar transmitters. when did they start making GaAs T/R modules. one MIKRON makes GaAs T/R modules in Russia.

 

[p2prada]

If true then it's awesome.

A Bars based AESA, engine uprated to 150KN, AESA in the wings and tail and the Virgilus internal AESA based jammer. Too good to be true. So, it seems like Prasun is at it again.

 

[SpArK]

Iss it the same engine that of Su-35s?

 

[A.V.]

Iss it the same engine that of Su-35s?

The SU35BM uses a version of pakfa class 1 engines , the old SU35 in service use older engines , the super 30 specs are a wild guess till now because irkust corp didnt release proper specs , considering the huge costs its will have significant class and quality upgrade.

 

[SpArK]

The SU35BM uses a version of pakfa class 1 engines , the old SU35 in service use older engines , the super 30 specs are a wild guess till now because irkust corp didnt release proper specs , considering the huge costs its will have significant class and quality upgrade.

Yup the 6000 hrs of service life is a huge jump.

 

[lambu]

what about the new sukois which are being manufactured at HAL ? will they come in this new upgraded form or they should be upgraded from irkut at russia ?

 

[Immanuel]

wow can't wait to see these super MKI. wow. truly awesome. This means 50 + 42, we'll have 92 mki capable of Brahmos. Do these upgrades also go onto rest of the fleet?

 

[anoop_mig25]

are this upgrades necessary and why not carry out this upgrades in indian itself although i welcome the step of installing AESA radar (if true)

 

[LETHALFORCE]

wow can't wait to see these super MKI. wow. truly awesome. This means 50 + 42, we'll have 92 mki capable of Brahmos. Do these upgrades also go onto rest of the fleet?

There are also plans for Nirbhay on sukhois.

IAF Sukhoi Fleet to be Equipped with Homemade Nirbhay Missiles | India Defence Online

 

[Archer]

Russia Spat Delays BrahMos Air Version

A war of words between India and Russia is threatening to delay the development of the air version of the BrahMos cruise missile, a joint effort of the two countries.

Friction between the two countries mainly stems from the redesigning of the Sukhoi-30 fighter aircraft to make it capable of launching a 300-kg BrahMos supersonic missile from the air.

While the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) wants its Russian partner, NPO Mashinostroeyenia, to foot the bill, the latter feels that India should be financing the Sukhoi redesigning.

Irked by the unreasonable demands placed by Russia, India has decided to go it alone. The DRDO has asked Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) to submit a plan for the Sukhoi redesigning.

HAL's technicians have done a preliminary study and have conveyed to the BrahMos Aerospace that they can undertake the task at a "much, much lesser cost".

Top sources told this newspaper that though the Russians are ready to undertake the redesigning, "they are asking a lot of money". Sources, however, refused to reveal the exact bill Russians wanted to slap on the DRDO.

When asked whether "is it something like a hundred crores", pat came the reply: "Many, many hundred crores!"

But more than the amount it's the Russian style of business that has irked Indian defence scientists. "They are preventing us from undertaking the job, citing a clause in the transfer of technology pact," said a source. "They won't do it for a reasonable amount and aren't allowing us to do it either."

The standoff has already delayed the testing of the air version of the missile. "We have made the launcher that would be integrated with the Sukhoi. It has been ground-tested. But we need to confirm our studies by firing a missile from it when the aircraft is engaged in high-speed manoeuvres," sources said.

For carrying the missile, Sukhoi's underbelly will have to be further strengthened and reinforced. "There will be some structural changes to the fuselage too," said the source. "This will allow the Sukhoi to continue to carry its normal menu of missiles and anti-aircraft guns."

The Russian reaction to the DRDO's move is still awaited. "Well, they normally engage us in these who-will-blink-first games," added the source. "But this time we wanted to clearly communicate that we can't be fatigued out of this. If all goes well, we will have the first test flight before the yearend."

http://www.defencenews.in/defence-ne...get=new&id=452

Well India won this round, this time. According to Pillai sahab recently in an interview, HAL will be doing the modifications locally as Sukhoi asked for too much money.

 

[Archer]

Super 30 upgrade is still being decided between IAF and Russia. After formal agreement is signed (probably this year, per reports), design and development will take till 2016, on two MKIs, after which the first 48 MKIs (oldest) will be upgraded. This is Super-30 Phase1. Super 30 Phase 2, per Barbora (VCAS rtd) will incorporate newer tech available circa 2016 and will be applied for series upgrade. DRDO, for Super30, is being tapped for new Mission computers, EW fit. NIIP Russia suggests that for Phase 1, India upgrade the Bars itself and in Phase 2, move to AESA (derived from the AESA being developed for the PAKFA). India is yet to decide whether it wants this approach or AESA in Phase 1 itself. The Bars is a very capable radar, large ESA, high gain, low noise (thanks to its hybrid architecture using AESA style rx sticks in its receive path) adding upto considerable upgrade potential with a more powerful TWT and enhanced software, running on new processors.