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http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Se...ets-with-BrahMos-missiles/UPI-87681272375563/

India arms jets with BrahMos missiles

NEW DELHI, April 27 (UPI) -- The Indian air force will move to arm its fleet of Russian-built Sukhoi fighter jets with BrahMos missiles supersonic cruise missiles.

The addition of the missiles to India's Su-30MKI Flanker-H planes makes them "absolutely unique" in firepower, A. Sivathanu Pillai, head of BrahMos Aerospace told reporters recently on the sidelines of a defense exhibit in Kuala Lampur.

The first test of BrahMos air-launched missiles is scheduled for 2011 with the first test flights mounted with the missiles are to take place a year later.

BrahMos Aerospace is a joint venture between India and Russia established 12 years ago to produce supersonic missiles, sea- and ground-launch versions of devices that have been tested and used successfully by the Indian military.

The BrahMos missile has a flight range of 175 miles and can cruise at an altitude of 9 miles. It can carry a warhead of up to 660 pounds and can effectively engage ground targets from an altitude as low as 30 feet.

The missile has a top speed of Mach 2.8, traveling three times faster than its rival U.S.-made Tomahawk missile. That allows for shorter flight time, ensuring lower dispersion of targets, quicker engagement and non-interception by any known weapon system in the world.

The air-launched version of the missile has been modified with a reduced weight of 2.5 tons, military experts say.

News of the missiles comes as India's air force fleet of Russian Sukhoi's is gearing to be upgraded by Russia's Irkut Corporation.

The modernization program includes "re-equipping of some 100 Su-30 MKI fighters, which are currently in service with the Indian air forces," company Vice President Vladimir Sautov was quoted telling The Hindu Times.

The executive said the project was being conducted with Rosoboronexport, the Sukhoi Design Bureau and NPO Mashinostroyeniya.

"If things go well, we may offer modernized Su-30MKI fighters to our other foreign partners as soon as 2012," Sautiv said.

NPO Mashinostroyeniya is the parent firm for the BrahMos program.

The missile stole center stage at Malaysia's Defense Services Asia exhibition, with high-profile potential customers including South Africa, Egypt, Oman, Brunei and other African and Middle Eastern countries.

Defense Talk reported this month that India was considering exporting the BrahMos to Chile, Brazil, South Africa and Indonesia. The keenest interest, however, has come from Malaysia, which is looking for a new weapons system to fit its Meko A100 Kedah class ships


With weight reported here the rumor that there will be 3 brahmos per plane maybe accurate??
 
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Hey can anyone tell me the differences between the Su-30 MKK (Chinese variant) and Su-30 MKI (Indian variant) other than their names and if available please mention the appropriate link also.
 

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Sukhoi MKK - The Sukhoi Su-30MKK is a modification of the Su-27 SK manufactured since 1999 by KnAAPO and Shenyang Aircraft Corporation. It is considered an upgraded version of Sukhoi Su-30. It was jointly developed by Russia and China, similar to the Su-30MKI.

Sukhoi MKI - The Sukhoi Su-30 MKI is a variant of the Sukhoi Su-30 jointly-developed by Russia's Sukhoi Corporation and India's Hindustan Aeronautics Limited for the Indian Air Force (IAF)

Regarding radars, missiles someone else need to clarify whether MKI or MKK holds the edge.
 

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Hey can anyone tell me the differences between the Su-30 MKK (Chinese variant) and Su-30 MKI (Indian variant) other than their names and if available please mention the appropriate link also.
MKI has canards, MKK no.

MKI is very much advaned than the MKK, this made the russians to make a newer AC named as Su-35

MKI will have more RCS when compared to the MKK (expert input needed here)

MKI is powered by more powerful engine, MKI is more powerful bird in terms of the power and take-off weight and number hardpoints

MKI can be upgraded to stealth; no idea on MKK

this is as of my knowledge, feeling little lazy to post the sources :D
 

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The MKI cant be upgraded to Stealth, Its just some RAM Coating and all which will make its RCS lesser than what it is now, thats it. To be stealth it needs Internal Weapons Bay, etc.

About the MKK having Less RCS, again it cant be clearly said so, and the MKK is used to A2G Mostly, and thats what the chinese bought them for. MKK serves as A2G and Anti Shipping for the Chinese.

About the Engines, I would like someone to update
 

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Hey can anyone tell me the differences between the Su-30 MKK (Chinese variant) and Su-30 MKI (Indian variant) other than their names and if available please mention the appropriate link also.
the MKK is of more strong under belly and does not have 2D TVC. inferior to MKI in dog fights. but good at Ground attack then MKI. poor in Electronic Warfare to MKI. as MKI uses best of parts from different places of the World. IF Mig-35 is purchased It would supperior to all opponents by MKI-ging it.
 

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  • Source: Wikipedia

  • [*]Spec Comparision | Su-30 MKI | Su-30 MKK
  • General characteristics
  • Crew: | 2 | 2
  • Length: | 21.935 m (72.97 ft) | 21.9 m
  • Wingspan: |14.7 m (48.2 ft) | 14.7 m
  • Height: | 6.36 m (20.85 ft) | 6.36 m
  • Wing area: |62.0 m² (667 ft²) |
  • Empty weight: |18,400 kg [5] (40,565 lb) | 18,400 kg
  • Loaded weight: |24,900 kg (54,895 lb) | 24,900 kg
  • Max takeoff weight: |38,800 kg (85,600 lb) | 34,500 kg
  • Powerplant: |2× Lyulka AL-31FP turbofan | 2× Lyulka AL-31F turbofans, 123 kN (27,600 lbf)
  • with thrust vectoring, 131 kN with afterburner (27,557 lbf) each
  • Maximum speed: | Mach 2.35 | 2,120 km/h
  • Range: | 5,000 km | 3,000 km
  • Endurance: |4.5 hrs |
  • Service ceiling: |17,300 m (56,800 ft) | 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: | >300 m/s (70,000 ft/min) | > 305 m/s [4] (> 18,300 m/min [5])
  • Wing loading: |401 kg/m² (98 lb/ft²) |
  • Thrust/weight: |1.07 at loaded weight & 1.15 with 50% fuel| 1.00
 
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  • Source: Wikipedia

  • [*]Spec Comparision | Su-30 MKI | Su-30 MKK
  • General characteristics
  • Crew: | 2 | 2
  • Length: | 21.935 m (72.97 ft) | 21.9 m
  • Wingspan: |14.7 m (48.2 ft) | 14.7 m
  • Height: | 6.36 m (20.85 ft) | 6.36 m
  • Wing area: |62.0 m² (667 ft²) |
  • Empty weight: |18,400 kg [5] (40,565 lb) | 18,400 kg
  • Loaded weight: |24,900 kg (54,895 lb) | 24,900 kg
  • Max takeoff weight: |38,800 kg (85,600 lb) | 34,500 kg
  • Powerplant: |2× Lyulka AL-31FP turbofan | 2× Lyulka AL-31F turbofans, 123 kN (27,600 lbf)
  • with thrust vectoring, 131 kN with afterburner (27,557 lbf) each
  • Maximum speed: | Mach 2.35 | 2,120 km/h
  • Range: | 5,000 km | 3,000 km
  • Endurance: |4.5 hrs |
  • Service ceiling: |17,300 m (56,800 ft) | 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: | >300 m/s (70,000 ft/min) | > 305 m/s [4] (> 18,300 m/min [5])
  • Wing loading: |401 kg/m² (98 lb/ft²) |
  • Thrust/weight: |1.07 at loaded weight & 1.15 with 50% fuel| 1.00
well i know that.
Whats your Q's?
or
What are u trying to prove?
 

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Flight Trials Underway For Sukhoi Displays

Ongoing flight trials of new Colored Multifunctional Displays (CMFDs) for Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters are expected to be over by mid-May.

The CMFDs were produced by Samtel HAL Display Systems. They were cleared for flight testing by the Regional Center for Military Airworthiness in 2008 and flights began in April of this year.

Ground testing and ten sorties — during the day and night — have been carried out. LDP (laser designated pod) and gunfire testing is complete.

This is the first time Indian-made MFDs are being integrated on Su-30 MKI aircraft in India.

"Integration of these indigenously developed MFDs on Su-30MKI aircraft is in line with the thrust by the [Indian defense ministry] on manufacturing indigenous products for defense requirements," says Puneet Kaura, executive director of Samtel Display Systems.

The MFDs will be integrated on Block III, Block IV and the upcoming Block V aircraft. Integration with 53 Block III aircraft will end by next year, integration on 47 Block IV aircraft will be complete by 2012, and 42 Block V aircraft will be done by 2013.

Around 350 Su-30MKI aircraft are ultimately required by the Indian air force. The total order has a potential value of $56 million over the next few years.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...s/awx/2010/05/04/awx_05_04_2010_p0-224073.xml
 

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  • Source: Wikipedia

  • [*]Spec Comparision | Su-30 MKI | Su-30 MKK
  • General characteristics
  • Crew: | 2 | 2
  • Length: | 21.935 m (72.97 ft) | 21.9 m
  • Wingspan: |14.7 m (48.2 ft) | 14.7 m
  • Height: | 6.36 m (20.85 ft) | 6.36 m
  • Wing area: |62.0 m² (667 ft²) |
  • Empty weight: |18,400 kg [5] (40,565 lb) | 18,400 kg
  • Loaded weight: |24,900 kg (54,895 lb) | 24,900 kg
  • Max takeoff weight: |38,800 kg (85,600 lb) | 34,500 kg
  • Powerplant: |2× Lyulka AL-31FP turbofan | 2× Lyulka AL-31F turbofans, 123 kN (27,600 lbf)
  • with thrust vectoring, 131 kN with afterburner (27,557 lbf) each
  • Maximum speed: | Mach 2.35 | 2,120 km/h
  • Range: | 5,000 km | 3,000 km
  • Endurance: |4.5 hrs |
  • Service ceiling: |17,300 m (56,800 ft) | 17,300 m (56,800 ft)
  • Rate of climb: | >300 m/s (70,000 ft/min) | > 305 m/s [4] (> 18,300 m/min [5])
  • Wing loading: |401 kg/m² (98 lb/ft²) |
  • Thrust/weight: |1.07 at loaded weight & 1.15 with 50% fuel| 1.00
According to that, it doesn't look like MKI has much on the MKK in performance.
 

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According to that, it doesn't look like MKI has much on the MKK in performance.
does MKK has 2d TVC......
so MKI is suoerior in dog fights.
all are simillar becase they built from Su-30 only.
did you see Range difference. 2000km.
so i said MKI is Long range.
 

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some sort of dream or what....................

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/gene...s/awx/2010/05/04/awx_05_04_2010_p0-224073.xml
By Neelam Mathews [email protected]
NEW DELHI


Ongoing flight trials of new Colored Multifunctional Displays (CMFDs) for Sukhoi Su-30MKI fighters are expected to be over by mid-May.

The CMFDs were produced by Samtel HAL Display Systems. They were cleared for flight testing by the Regional Center for Military Airworthiness in 2008 and flights began in April of this year.

Ground testing and ten sorties — during the day and night — have been carried out. LDP (laser designated pod) and gunfire testing is complete.

This is the first time Indian-made MFDs are being integrated on Su-30 MKI aircraft in India.


"Integration of these indigenously developed MFDs on Su-30MKI aircraft is in line with the thrust by the [Indian defense ministry] on manufacturing indigenous products for defense requirements," says Puneet Kaura, executive director of Samtel Display Systems.

The MFDs will be integrated on Block III, Block IV and the upcoming Block V aircraft. Integration with 53 Block III aircraft will end by next year, integration on 47 Block IV aircraft will be complete by 2012, and 42 Block V aircraft will be done by 2013.

Around 350 Su-30MKI aircraft are ultimately required by the Indian air force. The total order has a potential value of $56 million over the next few years.

Su-30MKI photo: Sagar Pathak
 

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oh god this number is constantly increasing, we may not be surprised if the number passes 500 planes in future.
nice MFD, but what is difference between foreign and local one.
is this only price difference or any thing else???
 

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oh god this number is constantly increasing, we may not be surprised if the number passes 500 planes in future.
I think IAF has moved on titling MKI as only "Air Superiority Fighter". That means different blocks will be inducted & assigned different roles.
No doubt MKI is turning into Multi Role, air launched Bramhos will provide MKI unmatched A2G capability....
 

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I think IAF has moved on titling MKI as only "Air Superiority Fighter". That means different blocks will be inducted & assigned different roles.
No doubt MKI is turning into Multi Role, air launched Bramhos will provide MKI unmatched A2G capability....
its roles in IAF would like
Mini AWACS
Long Range Bomber
Patroling
Escort
Anti-shiping
Reconnaissance
Mid-Air refueler..............
the list can be more in Future.
 

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i think MKI's r now being develop as a backbone of iaf which means a multirole platform for final-assult weaponry to deliver
 

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As various versions suggest-
-Air superiority
-CM Delivry platform
-Ground attack
-EW_fighter etc.
 

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its roles in IAF would like
Mini AWACS
Long Range Bomber
Patroling
Escort
Anti-shiping
Reconnaissance
Mid-Air refueler..............
the list can be more in Future.
After all it is the second deterrent next to the Nukes :D
 

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I think IAF has moved on titling MKI as only "Air Superiority Fighter". That means different blocks will be inducted & assigned different roles.
No doubt MKI is turning into Multi Role, air launched Bramhos will provide MKI unmatched A2G capability....
IAF is only buying 40 air launched Brahmos and they are being dispersed between MKI and Il-38s. This would be the naval attack missile, not land attack. MKI is currently the air superiority fighter of IAF. MiG-27 and Jaguars handle strike missions and for good reason, MKIs Russian missile set isn't stand-off and MKI is too high risk a target. That was proven at Red Flag. MKI's RCS is too easy to see if it is trying to complete deep strike missions. The Mig-29SMT upgrade will have similar ground attack capability. The Mirage-2000-9 upgrade will be the first true all capable strike introduced into IAF. MRCA will be at a similar level to the M2000 upgrade. I don't ever see MKI taking a true strike as has been suggested here, it is too vulnerable and limited in armaments.
 
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