Small arms and Light Weapons

[NoobWannaLearn]

@Johny_Baba you see anything new or is this the same old one? (Pic is new)

 

[vampyrbladez]

@Johny_Baba you see anything new or is this the same old one? (Pic is new)

Short Stroke Piston instead of Direct Impingement/ Gas Piston based AR design.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Short Stroke Piston instead of Direct Impingement/ Gas Piston based AR design.

Is short stroke pistol better?

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[Johny_Baba]

this can be practically achieved on any rifle design given you either (A) elongate its receiver length to such an extent that the bolt carrier barely slaps its rear end; as in case of Ultimax LMG or (B) do A part but also put a stronger recoil spring that absorbs most of the recoil so maybe you can keep the receiver a bit shorter and at same time the slap from bolt carrier during reciprocal motion is still dampened a lot;
and meanwhile you also keep in mind managing centre of mass (and in some extent gravity too) near the grip;
lastly rate of fire should be managed moderate, near 500 to 550 rounds per minute;
and you're good to go; nothing new

 

[kaboom]

@Johny_Baba you see anything new or is this the same old one? (Pic is new)

They must change that goofy ahh foregrip
Also should use the standard stanag mags

 

[Johny_Baba]

@Johny_Baba you see anything new or is this the same old one? (Pic is new)

Short Stroke Piston instead of Direct Impingement/ Gas Piston based AR design.

what i saw new was
- probably newer furniture, i mean buttstock at least
- newer flip-up style backup iron sights

what i am not sure about it, or not believing in claims as of yet
- short stroke gas piston system in place of DI;
now look it can be done on regular DI AR based rifles by swapping some parts like gas key, gas tube attachment to some sort of SS Gas Piston system etc;
but such kind of straight conversions are not advised for military applications because many of these kits are unconsistent in delivering performances; you do need a bit thicker rod on it and in turn it requires top section of the receiver to be increased in height etc; that is why HK416 and so top receiver are generally taller as on those ones their respective developers put proper SS Gas Piston systems with thicker enough rods and so

so yeah, observe these two pics above and compare with what they shown at below and ponder on everything yourself

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

They must change that goofy ahh foregrip
Also should use the standard stanag mags

It's there ak foregrip and mags they just import they don't don't plan to bother much about that part as I heard in an interview.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

what i saw new was
- probably newer furniture, i mean buttstock at least
- newer flip-up style backup iron sights

what i am not sure about it, or not believing in claims as of yet
- short stroke gas piston system in place of DI;
now look it can be done on regular DI AR based rifles by swapping some parts like gas key, gas tube attachment to some sort of SS Gas Piston system etc;
but such kind of straight conversions are not advised for military applications because many of these kits are unconsistent in delivering performances; you do need a bit thicker rod on it and in turn it requires top section of the receiver to be increased in height etc; that is why HK416 and so top receiver are generally taller as on those ones their respective developers put proper SS Gas Piston systems with thicker enough rods and so
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so yeah, observe these two pics above and compare with what they shown at below and ponder on everything yourself
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So the point is they are regularly trying to better there gun maybe from inputs from sf or from the guys who they invite to shoot at there range in Bangalore well that's good enough atleast someone is doing something astra guys ar just disappeard after def expo.

 

[Johny_Baba]

Also should use the standard stanag mags

you mean these aluminium US GI mags ?

I'd rather not advise for same, because these mags are freakin' bad reliability wise; in almost all rifles that is not AR-15 based things it has shown one or other kind of problems;
that was reason why FN guys adopted their own fork of same when they made FNC; which one's in steel and slightly more curved than this;

that was reason why H&K guys themselves forked out their own one which interestingly similar to FNC one was made of steel too but with Bolt Hold Open feature and even more curved than FN one;

that was reason H&K guys also advised UK Royal Army to switch to PMags in L85A2 and from on as those mags were far more better for gas piston system rifle like L85 series...

also;
STANAG is just a standard, as long as they maintain basic features (features like feed-lips, feeding geometry, that notch on left side for locking tab etc) that make such a magazine fit on any STANAG-compatible rifle it's deemed fine; but otherwise construction and QC QA etc also alter performance of same...
PMAG are cheaper and most affluent in modern world and are fine; for more durability one can opt HK style steel magazines but going back to aluminium US GI pattern mags should be avoided in newer rifles

 

[Marliii]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

what i saw new was
- probably newer furniture, i mean buttstock at least
- newer flip-up style backup iron sights

what i am not sure about it, or not believing in claims as of yet
- short stroke gas piston system in place of DI;
now look it can be done on regular DI AR based rifles by swapping some parts like gas key, gas tube attachment to some sort of SS Gas Piston system etc;
but such kind of straight conversions are not advised for military applications because many of these kits are unconsistent in delivering performances; you do need a bit thicker rod on it and in turn it requires top section of the receiver to be increased in height etc; that is why HK416 and so top receiver are generally taller as on those ones their respective developers put proper SS Gas Piston systems with thicker enough rods and so
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so yeah, observe these two pics above and compare with what they shown at below and ponder on everything yourself
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Great analysis but the pic is from def expo last year so not a new pic I am sorry for the miss information but in another news ex para sf guy is weapon specialist at sssd

 

[Tactical Doge]

Great analysis but the pic is from def expo last year so not a new pic I am sorry for the miss information but in another news ex para sf guy is weapon specialist at sssd

2023?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

2023?

He meant 22 probably it was at end of last year so probably made a mistake

 

[Johny_Baba]

no shit deez 3d printing guys are str8 bussin hard caps fr
drip above 9000 man fr no cap

look how dey made a former combloc SMG like PM-63 RAK to something like this, starting from here

to this one

from what i know it's still going to be open bolt for now but plan is to turn it into closed bolt hammer fired gun with AR style trigger group in place of PM-63's original dropping sear one; and with a proper receiver frame and buttstock it'll be far more controllable than original PM-63 ever was

 

[BlackViking]

no shit deez 3d printing guys are str8 bussin hard caps fr
drip above 9000 man fr no cap
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look how dey made a former combloc SMG like PM-63 RAK to something like this, starting from here
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to this one
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from what i know it's still going to be open bolt for now but plan is to turn it into closed bolt hammer fired gun with AR style trigger group in place of PM-63's original dropping sear one; and with a proper receiver frame and buttstock it'll be far more controllable than original PM-63 ever was

Baba ji tell me of some resources to follow for these things.

 

[Twinblade]

P72 is a good looking gun. Hope they continue working on 5.56x45 and 7.62x51 version and include bolt catch open.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Hydraulic buffer design of the QBZ-191

 

[vampyrbladez]

 

[kaboom]

anyone knows the above weapon seems something in 5.56