Small arms and Light Weapons

[Lonewarrior]

Their modernization is more practical and better
They have light pc with protection of what's required instead of heavy bpj
They have tactical backpack which is very essential but we don't have any provision for it
I hope our forces don't roam wearing school bags
Pistol in holster I don't know why our planners didn't incorporate this
Anyway no elbow and knee pad I think they might use integrated

 

[Tactical Doge]

Their modernization is more practical and better
They have light pc with protection of what's required instead of heavy bpj
They have tactical backpack which is very essential but we don't have any provision for it
I hope our forces don't roam wearing school bags
Pistol in holster I don't know why our planners didn't incorporate this
Anyway no elbow and knee pad I think they might use integrated

Doomerjeet thinks the pic represents the state of entire pla and ia
yet haven't seen clashes in recent times with chinkis

 

[jai jaganath]

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These are nothing except unit level purchases for exercises
The thing displayed proudly in front of DM is what our forces look like
Forget this u can see recent pics where our forces are equipped to ww2 standards
Even what DM was shown is advance for them

 

[jai jaganath]

Doomerjeet thinks the pic represents the state of entire pla and ia
yet haven't seen clashes in recent times with chinkis
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Yeah man the one shown in front of DM is until now not completely implemented
Implementation takes time
Don't worry they will do it faster and better

 

[Lonewarrior]

These are nothing except unit level purchases for exercises
The thing displayed proudly in front of DM is what our forces look like
Forget this u can see recent pics where our forces are equipped to ww2 standards
Even what DM was shown is advance for them

I know; and the biggest (read only) reason being lack of local vendors. Almost all units have sufficient funds to equip each and every grunt to teeth; but only if that doesn't require import duty, excise, USD-INR conversion, clearance from other departments...and the list continues.

With emergence of local vendors like Armasen and Tonbo and FAB you'll witness almost all units moving away from whatever s*it MoD provides.

 

[jai jaganath]

I know; and the biggest (read only) reason being lack of local vendors. Almost all units have sufficient funds to equip each and every grunt to teeth; but only if that doesn't require import duty, excise, USD-INR conversion, clearance from other departments...and the list continues.

With emergence of local vendors like Armasen and Tonbo and FAB you'll witness almost all units moving away from whatever s*it MoD provides.

Well we will see bro
Let's hope for it

 

[Lonewarrior]

I see Armasen as the ideal example of what an Indian defence start-up should be. No nationalism-jingoism, no rant about foreign product, no Screwdriver-giri, no bribing. Just a bunch of guys who's products gets sold just because of the mere fact that soldiers like them.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Armed forces here are still obsessed with SMGs in a world where insurgents are now wearing body armor. Sometimes I wonder have the people in charge of procurement never heard of SBRs ?

Here's an LVAW, essentially an MCX in .300 Blackout

 

[Lonewarrior]

Armed forces here are still obsessed with SMGs in a world where insurgents are now wearing body armor. Sometimes I wonder have the people in charge of procurement never heard of SBRs ?
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Here's an LVAW, essentially an MCX in .300 Blackout

Most of the theatres in which NSG operates demands only SMGs. Nothing less, nothing more

Give the fact that this NSG commando is holding a SIG Sauer 553; I guess people in charge of procurement have heard about SBRs

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Most of the theatres in which NSG operates demands only SMGs. Nothing less, nothing more

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Give the fact that this NSG commando is holding a SIG Sauer 553; I guess people in charge of procurement have heard about SBRs

Fair enough. But then why's the Army fielding UZIs ?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Fair enough. But then why's the Army fielding UZIs ?

Indian "Army" don't field Uzis; only a handful of Uzis are used by Para SFs. Just like they maintain a niche collection of absolute obscure guns ranging from Vz. 58 to UK 59; they have Uzi.

Now coming to Army. Army's standard issue MP/SMG is B&T's MP9. Again it's something very niche and used primarily by Ghatak commandos tasked with room clearing. Other than that you'll find MP9s with regular infantry only if the user is an officer or point man or CGRL operator.

No one likes SMGs but sadly there are instances when it's the only weapon of choice

 

[Flying Dagger]

Indian "Army" don't field Uzis; only a handful of Uzis are used by Para SFs. Just like they maintain a niche collection of absolute obscure guns ranging from Vz. 58 to UK 59; they have Uzi.

Now coming to Army. Army's standard issue MP/SMG is B&T's MP9. Again it's something very niche and used primarily by Ghatak commandos tasked with room clearing. Other than that you'll find MP9s with regular infantry only if the user is an officer or point man or CGRL operator.

No one likes SMGs but sadly there are instances when it's the only weapon of choice

Vz58 were the first official purchase of AKs. Czechs had limited production then so we bought more Aks from other more cheaper option from ex Soviet block countries to equip our army facing terrorists.

AR15 based rifles or M4 carbine in 5.56 NATO round are better option than these overpriced mps. Offcourse one may still carry them for some specific ops.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Vz58 were the first official purchase of AKs. Czechs had limited production then so we bought more Aks from other more cheaper option from ex Soviet block countries to equip our army facing terrorists.

AR15 based rifles or M4 carbine in 5.56 NATO round are better option than these overpriced mps. Offcourse one may still carry them for some specific ops.

Vz. 58 are not AK.
Infact they are the complete polar opposite of AKs; long vs short stroke, hammer vs striker fired, rotating vs tilting bolt, no bolt hold open vs having...

As for as AR-15s in 5.56x45mm being better option than MPs; remember weapons are like tools...every tool designed for a specific task. Sure a chisel can be used as a hammer, but will it ever match the effectiveness of a dedicated hammer?
A B-1B type bomber can drop 40 CBU-105, covering the battlefield with 1600 sub-muntions, each capable of defeating even the most advanced tank...so have all tanks/IFVs/APCs been retired? No

Similarly you can have a rifle chambered in 5.56x45mm but still there'll be situations where you'll need something else. An AR-15 sucks if you want to use in in confined space, 5.56x45mm can't be used beyond a certain distance, 5.56x45mm can't be used when there's a hostage situation

 

[Flying Dagger]

Vz. 58 are not AK.
Infact they are the complete polar opposite of AKs; long vs short stroke, hammer vs striker fired, rotating vs tilting bolt, no bolt hold open vs having...

As for as AR-15s in 5.56x45mm being better option than MPs; remember weapons are like tools...every tool designed for a specific task. Sure a chisel can be used as a hammer, but will it ever match the effectiveness of a dedicated hammer?
A B-1B type bomber can drop 40 CBU-105, covering the battlefield with 1600 sub-muntions, each capable of defeating even the most advanced tank...so have all tanks/IFVs/APCs been retired? No

Similarly you can have a rifle chambered in 5.56x45mm but still there'll be situations where you'll need something else. An AR-15 sucks if you want to use in in confined space, 5.56x45mm can't be used beyond a certain distance, 5.56x45mm can't be used when there's a hostage situation

They were built to fire AK rounds. Rest everyone is aware they weren't AK inside out.

Point is we purchased them. Due to price and availability of large stock AKs with Romania Bulgaria etc we purchased more from them as we needed it.

Also your two sentences were contradictory.


5.56x45mm can't be used beyond a certain distance, 5.56x45mm can't be used when there's a hostage situation
??

Beyond what they can't be used and 9*19mm can?


Modern AR carbine are as compact as any smaller pdw now and pretty light. They can be and are used in hostage situation too.

Again Mp5s Mp9s etc are too overpriced. We already have inhouse option for them.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Also your two sentences were contradictory.

Ever heard about the word sweet spot?

5.56x45mm can't be used beyond a certain distance

Yes, you can't use a 5.56x45mm beyond 400m in normal combat condition. (Normal combat condition = you're using a typical carbine not a DMR, you've general issued sights not LPVO, you don't have the luxury to get prone and wait 10-15 sec to adjust drop)

5.56x45mm can't be used when there's a hostage situation

Yes, you can't use 5.56x45mm in room clearing scenarios coz then you would be shooting a round through the target, followed by the hostage behind him, then the kid hiding behind the hostage. Moreover at the close of a range a SCHV round neither expands nor tumbles so you'll have to either aim for brain stem or keet shooting him 6-8 times.

Modern AR carbine are as compact as any smaller pdw now and pretty light. They can be and are used in hostage situation too.

This is a .50 BMG pistol, more compact and light than almost all carbines and SMG. So will you use it in a hostage situation?

I think the whole concept of hostage situation you've is wrong. We don't use SMGs because they are shorter then carbines; we simply use them because they can shoot pistol calibre rounds in full auto because that's the round that'll guarantee a increased stopping power, low over-penetration and low collateral damage.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Mp9s etc are too overpriced. We already have inhouse option for them.

ASMI has still not matured enough to be an option for MP9.
MP9s is more compact, lightweight and has a lower cyclic rate

 

[WolfPack86]

Indian army interested in SSS defence sniper rifle and Indian army para commandos conducting trial on SSS defence M 72 carbine might induct in limited numbers.

 

[WolfPack86]

Moderator please delete up video that i posted.

 

[jai jaganath]

Moderator please delete up video that i posted.

Wtf
Did u seriously talked
I can't imagine
Everyone here thinks u r about
And why are u posting 2-3 years old updates generally

 

[WolfPack86]

Wtf
Did u seriously talked
I can't imagine
Everyone here thinks u r about
And why are u posting 2-3 years old updates generally

I posted unknowingly I am very sorry