Small arms and Light Weapons

[Bleh]

SO HOW DOES THIS THANG WORKS ?
> BUTTSTOCK IS MAIN MEME MAGIC HERE, WHICH HAS GOT THIS ADDITIONAL TRIGGER-LINK HOUSED INSIDE THAT, WHEN FOLDED FORWARD, CAN BE USED AS 'FRONT TRIGGER' THAT SHIFTS THE PULL THROUGH IT TO ACTUAL TRIGGER; MAGAZINE DOUBLES AS 'PISTOL GRIP' ON BULLPUP FIRE MODE;
OTHERWISE WHEN STOCK IS FOLDED, IT ACTS JUST LIKE A REGULAR AK
> WHEN BUTTSTOCK GETS FOLDED, AN ADDITIONAL RUBBER-PAD LIKE PIECE COVERS UP THAT OPENED UP REAR OF THE AK NICELY FOR SOMEWHAT-SORT OF COMFORTABLE GRIP ON SHOULDER
> ADDITIONAL FLIP-UP STYLE BACKUP IRON SIGHTS ATTACHED TO MAIN SIGHTS FOR THOSE PURPOSES, ALTERNATIVELY THEY CAN BE FOLDED DOWN AND FURTHER PICATINY RAILS AND SUCH ATTACHMENTS CAN BE PROVIDED ON TOP OF GAS TUBE SIDE FOR OPTICS
> WHAT ABOUT CHEEK REST ? HEH, JUST A PIECE OF RUBBERY COVER WRAPPED ON DUST COVER
> A PIECE OF SOMETHING ATTACHED TO ITS FIRE SELECTOR FOR BETTER GRIP OVER IT ON BULLPUP FIRE MODE
> SOME PROTOTYPES ALSO SHOWN A MODIFIED EXTENDED MAGAZINE LOCK-RELEASE FOR MAYBE FACILITATING BETTER OPERATION OF REMOVAL ON BULLPUP FIRE MODE

SO YEAH, A QUITE JUGAADU THANG
BUT JUDGING FROM VIDEOS IT DID SEEM TO WORK...SOMEWHAT

NEEDLESS TO SAY, GOT SOME ATTENTION AMONG WACKO PEOPLE AT ONE EXTREME CORNER OF THE EARTH
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COMING BACK,
DO YOU GUYS THINK THIS IS PROBABLY CASE OF...
...
ARDE BEING AHEAD OF ITS TIME
I MEAN WE CRITICISED THEM EVERYTIME THIS INSAS BULLPUP THANG WAS MENTIONED BUT IDEA DOES SEEM TO WORK SOMEWHAT IF USED WITH ENOUGH INDUCED AUTISM

AFTER SEEING THIS AND THINKING OVER IT, ARDE OR ANYONE THAT WORKED ON INSAS BULLPUP WITH TWO TRIGGERS LEAST DESERVE SOME APOLOGY FROM US, BECAUSE AS PER INTERNET AK-74MB WAS A 2013-14 ERA THING WHILE ARDE TRIED TO PULL SIMILAR THING AROUND '90S WHEN INSAS WAS BEING DESIGNED AND SO

NOW, LET'S GO FULL RETARD FOR A MOMENT AND SAY...

> INSAS BULLPUP THANG WAS AGAIN DONE BY ARDE/DRDO/OFB WHATEVER FOLKS IN PAST LIKE THIS
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ERR YUCK SORRY FOR THIS ABSOLUTE KENSUR PROTOTYPE OF '90S ERA
I MEANT LIKE THIS
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AND IN 2020S, LIKE THIS
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(CROPING OUT UNWANTED BUDHA-BUDHIYA FROM THE PICS )

ALSO,
> OUR BOYS DO FIRE THEIR AKS WITH BUTTSTOCKS FOLDED, COUNTLESS PICS AND VIDS FROM JAMMU-KASHMIR AND ALL, SOME EVEN REMOVED BUTTSTOCKS OFF INSAS FOR THAT
> NOW WE ARE GOING TO INDUCT INDO-RUUSI FAKETORY MADE AK-203 HERE EN MASSE

SO, SO,

KEEPING ALL OF THAT IN MIND,
SAY,
WHAT IF WE MAKE OUR OWN AK-203B HERE, WITH SIMILAR FAUX-BULLPUP BUTTSTOCK HOUSING TRIGGER-LINK AND ALL ?
KNOWING THE GIGA JUGADU NATURE OF THE INDIAN ARMY, THIS WILL BE THE CHEAPEST, QUICKEST, JUGADUEST WAY TO GET OUR GUYS A NOT SO BEST BUT SOMEWHAT WORKABLE BULLPUP-ISED AK RIFLE AND IT WILL WORK JUST AS A REGULAR AK WHEN BUTTSTOCK IS EXTENDED
ALA A JUGAADU, 2-IN-1, AK-203B

IF NOT ALL (OF COURSE NOT GONNA HAPPEN) THEN AT LEAST SOME OF SUCH AK-203B HERE?

WHATTYA SAY OF JOHNY_BABA'S IDEA, FOLKS ?

@Aditya Ballal @Marliii @Twinblade @Kunal Biswas @shuvo@y2k10 @FalconSlayers @NoobWannaLearn @kaboom @ALBY @BlackViking @vampyrbladez @MisraZ @Corvus Splendens @Lonewarrior @Lonewolf @SKC @Spindrift @Haldilal @Love Charger @Arjun Mk1A and all

p.s. one design flow that immediately became apparent from just first glance on pics
> design, even though jugadu and so, is not that left-hand shooter friendly, because that flange of buttstock at its end is big enough to obstruct free movement of firing hand from that side, but i did see a video of some ruusi shooter firing it left-handed, probably awkward grip maybe a bit uncomfortable, but if that protrusion is trimmed out from buttstock (that is already getting modified for this jugaad) then it can be resolved)

I liked that latest insas bullpup..

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AK-203 with BEL Holographic Sight mounted on it.

More info on this photo-op plis

 

[Hari Sud]

You sure this is indian army? they look decently equipped. maybe its just for photo-op.

????…….. bad question.

 

[FireStar]

????…….. bad question.

is this photo of frontline indian troops or just phot-op or photoshop?

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

 

[kaboom]

>Adopt a shitty rifle made by a shitty company that costs on par with a Daniel Defence M4 ($3500)
>Feared by the user not the enemy
>Spend another 500 $ to upgrade its furniture .

Kichdi pe dhaniya dalne se vo biryani nahi ban jati

 

[Johny_Baba]

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>Adopt a shitty rifle made by a shitty company that costs on par with a Daniel Defence M4 ($3500)
>Feared by the user not the enemy
>Spend another 500 $ to upgrade its furniture .

Kichdi pe dhaniya dalne se vo biryani nahi ban jati

upgrade kit is fine, but it is not even remotely touching the main criticism of INSAS that being reliability part,
and the root lies in its build quality and particularly, that receiver build - it took ARDE-DRDO-OFB around 2016 some year to freakin' bring a milled receiver build with MK.1C Excalibur and later in 2020s we are seeing that ARDE Carbine with SIG-550 style dual-section receiver

the best course action with INSAS should have been like what britshits did with L85A1 - sending them for thorough rebuild with MK.1C receiver or better with ARDE Carbine receiver,
and,
this sort of modular kit et al with picatiny rails and fancy grip and fancy buttstock whatever suits them,
and for sake of fucking common sense ditch that 3-round burst operation mode on it altogether - that mechanism contributed a lot in its reliability issues

^that is only logical way forward with INSAS if they wish to keep continue using them en masse

otherwise, we have a kahawat in gujarati for hodgepodge job
"thunk na thingada" = thook se chipkana; hope you get it

 

[vampyrbladez]

AK 203 tooling is on its way to India soon. I don't think INSAS will be around for long. However we may still see a few examples pop up around cantonments and watchguard/ rear echelon duty.

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/i...pment-delivered-for-indian-army-ak-203-rifles

 

[SKC]

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>Adopt a shitty rifle made by a shitty company that costs on par with a Daniel Defence M4 ($3500)
>Feared by the user not the enemy
>Spend another 500 $ to upgrade its furniture .

Kichdi pe dhaniya dalne se vo biryani nahi ban jati

We have to work with whatever we already have. We can't keep dreaming of having AR-15 based service rifle one day.

Do whatever it takes to better the existing rifles.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Since it is a conversion of an INSAS 5.56x45 mm rifle into a 7.62x51 mm rifle with FAB style furniture, end result will probably look like this :

@Johny_Baba how feasible is this? Are we actually reconfiguring calibres or this is just a FAB style makeover for our old INSAS rifles.

 

[WolfPack86]

What Indian security forces are doing to meet the need for more assault rifles
With the joint plan with Russia to produce the AK 203 being delayed, the Indian military is extensively upgrading the indigenous INSAS, instead of going in for expensive imports, to fill up the infantry’s need for 200,000 assault rifles

The Indian military’s decade-old hunt for a robust assault rifle—the primary weapon of the infantry soldier—continues till date.

The long-awaited production of the Russian-origin AK 203 assault rifles here in India has been lagging behind schedule due to Russia’s engagement in the 20-month-long war with Ukraine. In addition, the recently acquired US-made assault rifles have also reported several ‘glitches’ during use in counter-insurgency operations along with the Line of Control in Kashmir and in the Northeast. In February 2019, 72,400 SIG Sauer 716 rifles—66,400 for the Army, 4,000 for the Indian Air Force and 2,000 for the Navy—of 7.62 x 51mm calibre were contracted from the US under the government ‘Buy (Global) category’ through the fast-track procurement route as a stop-gap arrangement.

India has the distinction of being the largest user of small arms globally, with approximately 20 lakh weapons currently in use. The Indian military uses a variety of assault rifles, like INSAS (Indian Small Arms System), AK-47, SIG Sauer 716, and Tavor. INSAS forms the major chunk of India’s small arms inventory, with close to 10 lakh INSAS rifles in use.

The Indian infantry desperately needs over 200,000 primary 7.62 x 51mm assault rifles. Military planners have therefore worked out a plan to upgrade its existing inventory of INSAS rifles, considering its large-scale use, instead of waiting for new weapons. While some paramilitary forces and state police have already started using the upgraded INSAS, the Indian Army, too, is coming out with its proposal to do the same. Instead of phasing out the India-made rifles, defence officials maintain that upgradation of the existing INSAS rifle is an operationally viable and cost-effective solution. Moreover, Indian soldiers are extensively trained to operate INSAS rifles as their primary weapon in both conventional and sub-conventional conflict zones.

Introducing a new weapon requires a marshalling resources related to ammunition, magazines, spares, training, vests and gears, especially during the evolving regional threats on the country’s eastern and northern borders and the uncertain internal security situation.

Official sources claim that modifications required in the rifle include steady butt stock—its back portion--for ensuring sustained fire under all conditions, minimising recoil, a pistol grip, a handguard, and a sling to provide carriage and combat effectiveness. Besides, attachments for mounting optical sights and lower Picatinny rails—raised ridges that run parallel to the barrel--to support accessories such as grips or bipods will afford stability during combat. Without any further requirement for user training, the lethality of the weapon should also remain intact with minimal changes in its weight, defence officials believe.

“Any new weapon costing approximately INR 75,000 should be capable of addressing current and future battlefield challenges. Thus, an optimally modified INSAS rifle offering state-of-the-art characteristics and contemporary features at 45 per cent of the cost gives the end user a rifle powered by the latest technology and warfighting attributes,” says Samir Dhawan, director of Star Aerospace, which has offered an upgrade of the existing INSAS rifles. Dhawan claims that his company has already providing upgraded INSAS rifles to paramilitary forces and state police and has got its design (modified kits) approved by the Ministry of Home Affairs. Dhawan even claims to have got its design patent in India after the MHA’s recommendation and says parts for the upgrade can be sourced locally with support from the ARDE (Armament Research & Development Establishment) of the DRDO.

India and Russia had, in 2019, inked an inter-governmental agreement under which the joint venture Indo-Russian Rifles Private Limited (IRRPL) was formed. Under the plan, around 671,000 AK-203 rifles (7.62 x 39mm) will be manufactured at the Korwa Ordnance Factory in Amethi. However, the production of AK 203 is affected due to the ongoing Russia-Ukraine war.

What Indian security forces are doing to meet the need for more assault rifles

With the joint plan with Russia to produce the AK 203 being delayed, the Indian military is extensively upgrading the indigenous INSAS, instead of going in for expensive imports, to fill up the infantry’s need for 200,000 assault rifles

www.indiatoday.in

 

[Marliii]

 

[Johny_Baba]

Since it is a conversion of an INSAS 5.56x45 mm rifle into a 7.62x51 mm rifle with FAB style furniture, end result will probably look like this :

@Johny_Baba how feasible is this? Are we actually reconfiguring calibres or this is just a FAB style makeover for our old INSAS rifles.

Yes exactly, upgrades similar to what we saw on FAB kit WERE already on offer from the OFB itself back then when they rolled our Mk.1C Excalibur and later made 7.62 NATO version of same in OFB R-2 now "Ishapore Assault Rifle" whatever
of course the buttstock on most of these Mk.1C and 'Ishapore Assault Rifles' was later reduced to same Excalibur one with side folding feature but what we could see from Sandeep Unnithan's video is enough to tell armed forces could have gotten AR style adjustable one as well if only they had pushed for it

Likewise what stopped them for asking same upgrade kit on regular serving INSAS 1B/1B1s ? but then it would have invalidated their pushover for those ruusi rifulz or something - just like how we have got desi version of Arsenal bulgarian AK in form of Trichy Assault Rifle but it never got that kind of chance from beginning...

 

[vampyrbladez]

Yes exactly, upgrades similar to what we saw on FAB kit WERE already on offer from the OFB itself back then when they rolled our Mk.1C Excalibur and later made 7.62 NATO version of same in OFB R-2 now "Ishapore Assault Rifle" whatever
of course the buttstock on most of these Mk.1C and 'Ishapore Assault Rifles' was later reduced to same Excalibur one with side folding feature but what we could see from Sandeep Unnithan's video is enough to tell armed forces could have gotten AR style adjustable one as well if only they had pushed for it

Likewise what stopped them for asking same upgrade kit on regular serving INSAS 1B/1B1s ? but then it would have invalidated their pushover for those ruusi rifulz or something - just like how we have got desi version of Arsenal bulgarian AK in form of Trichy Assault Rifle but it never got that kind of chance from beginning...

So we can assume that this INSAS Mod 2 will be a 5.56x45 mm rifle instead of a 7.62x51 mm? The article is very confusing.

 

[Johny_Baba]

So we can assume that this INSAS Mod 2 will be a 5.56x45 mm rifle instead of a 7.62x51 mm? The article is very confusing.

Again, there is no indication as of now that this will be a real thing for INSAS, it's just being tested out i guess after its initial appearance from Israelis themselves in 2020 times; now under some 'IDDM' guy
and swapping just furniture and all won't change its barrel, bolt and bolt carrier etc mechanisms and modify its receiver to accept larger mags etc so there is no indication for it being uprated to 7.62 NATO either - who is even writing such things ?!

My best guess right now is *maybe, maybe* somewhere they mentioned it that similar upgrade kit could also be applied on 7.62 NATO "Ishapore Assault Rifle" which is a fork of INSAS and writer just took it as face value aur raita fel gya

So just relax, do as i say, believe in it when it happens

 

[WolfPack86]

When Sig 716 & AK-203 failed, INSAS comes to rescue

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Burmese rebels with INSAS.

 

[Johny_Baba]

3d-printed bullpup kit for AK

 

[ALBY]

 

[Delta Squad]

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

If they put a better stock then the gun actually looks dope af