Small arms and Light Weapons

[NotASussyBoi]

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IAF AK-103

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almost had a panic attack mate after seeing that pic

 

[rone]

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IAF AK-103

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Picatinny Rails on Top Cover and lower handguard at 6 o’clock position.

to be precice Indian AK 103 M ( aka Indian wannabe ak 203 )

ps: Inidan armed forces never learn

 

[Aditya Ballal]

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to be precice Indian AK 103 M ( aka Indian wannabe ak 203 )

ps: Inidan armed forces never learn

Honestly no way to differentiate between AK 103M and Indian AK 203 except the pistol grip at this point.

 

[NotASussyBoi]

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to be precice Indian AK 103 M ( aka Indian wannabe ak 203 )

ps: Inidan armed forces never learn

can't wait for chandigarh lobby to order modernization kits after 1 year of service

 

[Johny_Baba]

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IAF AK-103

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Picatinny Rails on Top Cover and lower handguard at 6 o’clock position.

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to be precice Indian AK 103 M ( aka Indian wannabe ak 203 )

ps: Inidan armed forces never learn

huh wait a min @rone sir, @Aditya Ballal bhai and all...

i suspect this isn't even AK-103M

rather old vanilla AK-103 plus some parts from "KM-AK" upgrade kit that was meant to upgrade AK-74Ms and other AKs in russian service...mainly top cover, pistol grip, muzzle device and (bottom) handguards from KM-AK remaining else like buttstock and entire basic AK-103 rifle etc...
"KM-AK" is also given some other names like "KMS" ("KMC" in cyrilic) or simply "Ratnik Kit"

why am i saying so ?
>notice there is no AK-203 style dust cover lock on the side of rear part of top dust cover, even AK-103M had that pattern of lock on its railed top cover

>also notice here railed top cover is hinged type BUT instead of using separate mount for hinge it is using hinge meant for the iron sights itself - like many of those aftermarket hinged AK top covers like Texas Weapon Systems' ;Dog Leg; etc... and likewise "KM-AK" upgrade kit also has that pattern of hinged top cover and in place of allevation adjustable iron sights it just provides a small flip-up ;backup iron sight; thing so no more proper-actual iron sight just a flippable notch with two settings...

now this all is a hypothesis at this stage and truth would come out later as more and more pics are released of this Air Force variant of AK-103...but yeah... another AK variant here with custom parts...i mean just imagine the farce of "replacing all serving AK variant with a common one" when they do this kind of things...adding even more different parts for same base weapon, that too at loss of proper iron sights...i am even ok about sacrifising iron sights here as it's meant for service of Air Force personnel who might not need to shoot much...but even with all top rails and stuff they're not gonna issue even basic reddot or holographic like optics then just why...

oh and of course saying it again, all of this could've been done here at home with Trichy, but...they're going too much overdrive in their ;pleasing the ruskies; games or dunno what...

anyway, as for how the original "KM-AK" "Ratnik" parts looked like...some pics...hope you'll get the basic idea and i might not have to explain it in details...still marking some basic stuff on these pics for better overview...

# AK-74M in russian service upgraded with "KM-AK" or Ratnik kit

# details of top cover etc,
in pic 1 - notice no side mounted top cover lock, there is a button for that on rear of the top cover itself now with a new locking piece (shown in pic 2) affixed on rear trunnion, and in pic-3 details of the new hinge and how it is affixed with iron sight hinge is shown, here they use a separate hinge piece to affix top cover to outer hinge of the iron sight and regular iron sight is replaced with a flippable backup-iron-sight thing in inner hinge

some other pics detailing parts of the kit

and here is a nice vdo by Larry Vickers

 

[vampyrbladez]

huh wait a min @rone sir, @Aditya Ballal bhai and all...
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i suspect this isn't even AK-103M

rather old vanilla AK-103 plus some parts from "KM-AK" upgrade kit that was meant to upgrade AK-74Ms and other AKs in russian service...mainly top cover, pistol grip, muzzle device and (bottom) handguards from KM-AK remaining else like buttstock and entire basic AK-103 rifle etc...
"KM-AK" is also given some other names like "KMS" ("KMC" in cyrilic) or simply "Ratnik Kit"

why am i saying so ?
>notice there is no AK-203 style dust cover lock on the side of rear part of top dust cover, even AK-103M had that pattern of lock on its railed top cover

>also notice here railed top cover is hinged type BUT instead of using separate mount for hinge it is using hinge meant for the iron sights itself - like many of those aftermarket hinged AK top covers like Texas Weapon Systems' ;Dog Leg; etc... and likewise "KM-AK" upgrade kit also has that pattern of hinged top cover and in place of allevation adjustable iron sights it just provides a small flip-up ;backup iron sight; thing so no more proper-actual iron sight just a flippable notch with two settings...

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now this all is a hypothesis at this stage and truth would come out later as more and more pics are released of this Air Force variant of AK-103...but yeah... another AK variant here with custom parts...i mean just imagine the farce of "replacing all serving AK variant with a common one" when they do this kind of things...adding even more different parts for same base weapon, that too at loss of proper iron sights...i am even ok about sacrifising iron sights here as it's meant for service of Air Force personnel who might not need to shoot much...but even with all top rails and stuff they're not gonna issue even basic reddot or holographic like optics then just why...

oh and of course saying it again, all of this could've been done here at home with Trichy, but...they're going too much overdrive in their ;pleasing the ruskies; games or dunno what...

anyway, as for how the original "KM-AK" "Ratnik" parts looked like...some pics...hope you'll get the basic idea and i might not have to explain it in details...still marking some basic stuff on these pics for better overview...

# AK-74M in russian service upgraded with "KM-AK" or Ratnik kit
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# details of top cover etc,
in pic 1 - notice no side mounted top cover lock, there is a button for that on rear of the top cover itself now with a new locking piece (shown in pic 2) affixed on rear trunnion, and in pic-3 details of the new hinge and how it is affixed with iron sight hinge is shown, here they use a separate hinge piece to affix top cover to outer hinge of the iron sight and regular iron sight is replaced with a flippable backup-iron-sight thing in inner hinge
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some other pics detailing parts of the kit
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and here is a nice vdo by Larry Vickers

How does the two piece flippable iron sight work?

So unless your average IAF personnel gets a holographic or red dot sight (which is unlikely) , they can't use this beyond 100-150 m range effectively ?

 

[Marliii]

How does the two piece flippable iron sight work?

So unless your average IAF personnel gets a holographic or red dot sight (which is unlikely) , they can't use this beyond 100-150 m range effectively ?

Well as the ak nerds say "nyet rifle is fine "

 

[Johny_Baba]

How does the two piece flippable iron sight work?

So unless your average IAF personnel gets a holographic or red dot sight (which is unlikely) , they can't use this beyond 100-150 m range effectively ?

Well i believe it's zeroed for some basic settings like 100 to 300 metres etc with those two flippable posts and for anything beyond that use optics etc

it's a compromise thing, after all traditional AK iron sights are not meant for some good precision shooting and probably Air Force personnel wouldn't need much precision shooting either, also lol traditional AK sights are "too optimistic" with its elevation//range settings i mean imagine hitting something at 800 metres far away with an AK47 (1000 metres for AKM onwards) using only iron sights...

 

[vampyrbladez]

Well i believe it's zeroed for some basic settings like 100 to 300 metres etc with those two flippable posts and for anything beyond that use optics etc

it's a compromise thing, after all traditional AK iron sights are not meant for some good precision shooting and probably Air Force personnel wouldn't need much precision shooting either, also lol traditional AK sights are "too optimistic" with its elevation//range settings i mean imagine hitting something at 800 metres far away with an AK47 (1000 metres for AKM onwards) us using only iron sights...

I agree but to hit something accurately at 300 metres requires some kind of holographic or red dot sights right?

Just like the Russians handing out AK 12s without any sights to their frontline infantry.

 

[Johny_Baba]

 

[Aditya Ballal]

“Our Netro solutions feature Thermal Weapon Sight, Laser Range Finder and Red Dot Sight custom mounted on the weapon, for unmatched aim.”
Interesting solution, wonder if they’ll offer the machine gun Red Dot sight as a standalone system like the Aimpoint MPS 3 Reflex sight as in the Navy and Coast Guard ALH MK3s on the GAU-21 HMG of FNH or the Trijicon MGRS

 

[Lonewarrior]

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“Our Netro solutions feature Thermal Weapon Sight, Laser Range Finder and Red Dot Sight custom mounted on the weapon, for unmatched aim.”
Interesting solution, wonder if they’ll offer the machine gun Red Dot sight as a standalone system like the Aimpoint MPS 3 Reflex sight as in the Navy and Coast Guard ALH MK3s on the GAU-21 HMG of FNH or the Trijicon MGRS
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[Flying Dagger]

I agree but to hit something accurately at 300 metres requires some kind of holographic or red dot sights right?

Just like the Russians handing out AK 12s without any sights to their frontline infantry.

They have M16 style close up iron sights and are also issued with 1P87 holo sights and 1p90 3* magnification too.

I think part of the upgrade plan was to equip everyone with basic sights etc. Do you have pics of them in action. Can you confirm if they are issued with sights or not @Flash12

 

[India Super Power]

@Super Flanker this is the difference i was speaking about ak-203i
Even few units have been delivered ti iaf u could check it in net
This is what we will get

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[Aditya Ballal]

First time I’m seeing a FAB Defense AK Mod Kit that’s not black in India.

 

[ManhattanProject]

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First time I’m seeing a FAB Defense AK Mod Kit that’s not black in India.

The most effective and important mod for a rifle is optics, it has been proven to increase hit probablity and effectiveness, but our soldiers do everything else and forget the optic.

 

[OFBkaRakhwala]

The most effective and important mod for a rifle is optics, it has been proven to increase hit probablity and effectiveness, but our soldiers do everything else and forget the optic.

soldiers don't forget optics they are not issued to begin with for the most part

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Have they rebadged some ther OEMs rifle or is this their own product?

 

[Lonewarrior]

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Have they rebadged some ther OEMs rifle or is this their own product?

Rebadged my a**
It's straight on Ashbury Precision Ordnance's SERiSS chassis. They were planning to launch it in US market in late 2019 early 2020, but didn't do due to increased competition.

Moreover, you can just guess how big of a

Spoiler

someone is, if they are planning to sell a "precision rifle" chamber in 5.45x45mm and 7.62x39mm in Indian market.

 

[Blademaster]

soldiers don't forget optics they are not issued to begin with for the most part

For a good reason. Optics are fragile to begin with. Out in the field, they break easily and become paper weights.