Small arms and Light Weapons

[Aditya Ballal]

The p72 mag well seems to be oversized? Also check out the optics on the ar15.

What’s wrong with the optics?

 

[itsme]

What’s wrong with the optics?

The config is backwards. The optic in front should actually be behind. That's like a hybrid sight but configured incorrectly.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

The config is backwards. The optic in front should actually be behind. That's like a hybrid sight but configured incorrectly.

That’s a Thermal Clip on sight from Tonbo Imaging mate, not a magnifier. It’s the new Spartan-SH TI Clip on sight which is the miniaturised version of the existing Spartan-H sight.

Spartan-SH - Tonbo Imaging

Spartan-SH is the next generation of small, light weight helmet mounted thermal monocular / binocular. It is feature rich, yet easy to use. It is extremely compact, durable and consumes low power.

tonboimaging.com

 

[itsme]

That’s a Thermal Clip on sight from Tonbo Imaging mate, not a magnifier. It’s the new Spartan-SH TI Clip on sight which is the miniaturised version of the existing Spartan-H sight.

Spartan-SH - Tonbo Imaging

Spartan-SH is the next generation of small, light weight helmet mounted thermal monocular / binocular. It is feature rich, yet easy to use. It is extremely compact, durable and consumes low power.

tonboimaging.com

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Don't it need to be placed behind the holo type of sight?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Don't you think @Johny_Baba the clearance/distance for the charging handle to reciprocate bit too short compared to the cartridge?

 

[Lonewarrior]

Don't it need to be placed behind the holo type of sight?

Nope, you don't want to focus any kind of light on an thermal sensor.
If the holographic sight is placed in front of thermal sight then the red light from holographic sight will fall directly on its sensor so it's used the other way around

 

[Johny_Baba]

Don't you think @Johny_Baba the clearance/distance for the charging handle to reciprocate bit too short compared to the cartridge?

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Yeah that has always puzzled me since i saw pic of this P-72 system first time, also there seem to be no info about its internals yet
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Someone, probably you, made comments in past here on the forum that it is a Kalashnikov derivative of some sort, seems legit to me as well,
If true then it definitely needs longer clearance for the charging handle IF it is reciprocal, if it is some sort of separate piece (notice the cover-like shape of it), kinda like Bren-2 design

All of this could have been answered had the defexpo happened and i // someone like you getting a chance to handle this but...

 

[Marliii]

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Don't it need to be placed behind the holo type of sight?

Nope, TI Clip-on Sights are placed in front, reasons have already seen explained by @Lonewarrior .

 

[Twinblade]

The p72 mag well seems to be oversized? Also check out the optics on the ar15.

P72 uses the same chassis for 5.56x45, 7.62x39 and 7.62x51.

They are probably fitting some sort of magwell adaptor inside for smaller magazines.

 

[Marliii]

 

[Marliii]

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Apparently pakis had this idea in the early 2010s.my head is spinning by imagining the recoil ,flash and sound in using this in indoors

 

[ALBY]

Why they never bothered to sell those to anyother nation despite being miles ahead of other AK clones in terms of every aspect except weight

 

[ALBY]

 

[Marliii]

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Ak 12 seems to have a bad reputation now

 

[Johny_Baba]

Why they never bothered to sell those to anyother nation despite being miles ahead of other AK clones in terms of every aspect except weight

Sir they initially only intended to made small batch of it to supplement AKs coming from then USSR but after some considerations it was decided that their version is better and is custom made one fulfilling needs of the army there.

They did try to export some of them but market was already oversaturated with mass produced soviet + eastern euro and chinese etc such AKs so it was kinda obvious that very few customers would choose for a somewhat overpriced custom designed AK - yet if you would like to see it this way the entire Galil line of AKs are derivative of Finnish design so indirect way Valmet AKs did succeed.

 

[ALBY]

Sir they initially only intended to made small batch of it to supplement AKs coming from then USSR but after some considerations it was decided that their version is better and is custom made one fulfilling needs of the army there.

They did try to export some of them but market was already oversaturated with mass produced soviet + eastern euro and chinese etc such AKs so it was kinda obvious that very few customers would choose for a somewhat overpriced custom designed AK - yet if you would like to see it this way the entire Galil line of AKs are derivative of Finnish design so indirect way Valmet AKs did succeed.

Kalashnikovs should learn a thing or two from the makers of Galil Ace line on how to evolve a weapon than just filling old wine in new bottle.
Btw on the aesthetics side Galil Ace particularly the Gen-1 is ugly compared with Aks

 

[Lonewarrior]

Yeah that has always puzzled me since i saw pic of this P-72 system first time, also there seem to be no info about its internals yet
,
Someone, probably you, made comments in past here on the forum that it is a Kalashnikov derivative of some sort, seems legit to me as well,
If true then it definitely needs longer clearance for the charging handle IF it is reciprocal, if it is some sort of separate piece (notice the cover-like shape of it), kinda like Bren-2 design

All of this could have been answered had the defexpo happened and i // someone like you getting a chance to handle this but...

So in that case it's just a non-reciprocating charging handle not a forward assist one.

 

[Marliii]

 

[BlackViking]

Thanks mate, but can you get me one picture in the same angle as the above one for the Vanguard AKM kit (the above one appears to be for a different gun). Also if possible share an image of the slot at an angle (if you can get through some connections maybe).

I am confused because I have got one piece of the lower guard and I cannot make a head or tail out of it.
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You can see that here the slots are closed.

@Lonewarrior