Small arms and Light Weapons

[Love Charger]

Sometimes I feel that troops in kashmir are most equipped compared to troops in other parts of the country.

 

[FalconSlayers]

A smartphone is more bulletproof than OFB made BP plates

 

[ALBY]

For those who dont know about. 410 muskets these are the Lee enfields which fire..410 rounds. These are not rifles but smoothbore weapons with single shot capacity only and not magazine fed or stripper clip fed one

 

[MisraZ]

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For those who dont know about. 410 muskets these are the Lee enfields which fire..410 rounds. These are not rifles but smoothbore weapons with single shot capacity only and not magazine fed or stripper clip fed one

Is it for prison guards, modji?

 

[ALBY]

Is it for prison guards, modji?

Nope.. State police still uses it .

 

[Love Charger]

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For those who dont know about. 410 muskets these are the Lee enfields which fire..410 rounds. These are not rifles but smoothbore weapons with single shot capacity only and not magazine fed or stripper clip fed one

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[The Shrike]

NGSW winner announced.

 

[ALBY]

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British Military Small Arms Ammo - .410 inch Indian Musket Ball, Blank & Buckshot

The memory of the Indian Mutiny lingered long in the minds of the British and so they ensured that the large native militia and police units were always armed with weapons inferior to those of the Indian and British armies yet were effective enough to do their job. For many years these units had

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[Aditya Ballal]

We’ve waited long for this day. Our “Born in Bharat” AK upgrade kits head out of our plant to serve in the hands of the Indian Army’s special forces. -SSS Defence.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Cursed gun image

7.62 caliber MP5, wah re wah darra adam khel.

Dont forget its just simple blowback, did you see the recoil?

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

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We’ve waited long for this day. Our “Born in Bharat” AK upgrade kits head out of our plant to serve in the hands of the Indian Army’s special forces. -SSS Defence.

I believe few months back SSS defense won a contract to upgrade 24 Ak's. Looks like they delivered it.

 

[ALBY]

 

[Aditya Ballal]

 

[Arjun Mk1A]

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Need to start AK-203 production and also need to get this guys to develop general accessories for this rifle for regular infantry.

 

[India Super Power]

Need to start AK-203 production and also need to get this guys to develop general accessories for this rifle for regular infantry.

24 nos only bro
After that army will float tenders again for mod kit of ak

 

[Kuldeepm952]

So, I was thinking if we were already producing pkt for so long then why we didn't ever think of making a pkm clone, would have been a good gun, sf guys seem to like it. And for God sake either standardise on 7.62 Russian or the nato round, make your mind IA. Which big brained person thought that using pkt in armoured and mech divisions and fn mag in infantry divisions, what about ammo commonality, since we were buying so many bmp and t tanks, we could have atleast haggled Russians to put fn mag there or we were just getting totally milked there.

 

[Johny_Baba]

So, I was thinking if we were already producing pkt for so long then why we didn't ever think of making a pkm clone, would have been a good gun, sf guys seem to like it. And for God sake either standardise on 7.62 Russian or the nato round, make your mind IA. Which big brained person thought that using pkt in armoured and mech divisions and fn mag in infantry divisions, what about ammo commonality, since we were buying so many bmp and t tanks, we could have atleast haggled Russians to put fn mag there or we were just getting totally milked there.

PKT might've come here as part of technical package of Tin-72,Tin-90Ass or BMPee or other ruskie land based combat vehicle stuff,
rest i agree that's what we should've done but...
anyway 7.62 NATO PK based derivatives already exist, look at Polish and Bulgarians etc, even our friendly neighbourhood Norinco had some export variant in that calibre, so even that was possible...7.62 NATO based PKT should've happened plus GPMG//MMG version for infantry use from that...
i covered same thing in past in some of my posts

Jay (@Unknowncommando 2) is correct, those PKT//PKTM can be used outside vehicles just like regular PK/PKMs , albeit it'll be awkward to operate on it but practically possible,
to explain it further,
PK/PKM is an open bolt machine gun, and it's trigger mechanism is just a spring-loaded-sear that's operated using a trigger (in terms of parts numbers and actual operating it is even simpler than British Sten Gun's trigger mechanism) housed inside a small stamped sheet metal housing below the receiver, and of course has a rotatable safety that allows or blocks movement of Sear-Trigger combo in certain positions.

Unfortunately soviets didn't make its trigger group (and in general whole trigger assembly) removable during disassembly etc like other machine guns of past so you gotta have tools to take it out for various purposes.

Coming back on point, you see, if you attach a Solenoid (i.e. a small electromagnet that you could find in a door-bell) to its sear, it can act just like a trigger and by pressing a button you can fire the weapon and so.

Now, reverse should also happen, no ? i mean if it's taken off from vehicle and if someone could provide power to solenoid or manually operate the linkage between solenoid and sear , just like a trigger, it should fire, no?

That's exactly how they use it outside vehicles etc. as PKT/PKTM does have a dual purpose trigger mechanism on it, When linked to an electric firing system, the machine gun can be fired either by depressing the trigger button on the gunner's control handles or by pressing the manual trigger button located on the trigger unit installed at the back the receiver of the machine gun. The latter method may be necessary if the tank or vehicle loses electrical power or if some other issue makes it impossible to fire the machine gun normally.

There also are some interesting differences between PK/PKM and PKT/PKTM which i shall explain later.

i like PK too but well 7.62x54mm well...
Arsenal of Bulgaria does make a 7.62 NATO version of PK, and since OFB Trichy is doing their best to create 'in-house developed' kalashnikov rifles that 'resembles AKs offered by Arsenal' AND AT SAME TIME ALSO HAPPEN TO MANUFACTURE PKT (i.e. vehicle-mounted variant of PKM) they should try to tinker around with this concept of 7.62 NATO GPMG variant of PK yada yada

I say we should've also switched to 7.62 NATO Dragunov in time...again Norinco and even former Izhmash and other eastern euro manufacturers of SVD rolled out 7.62 NATO chambered variant for sales to western civilians as well as some militaries, we don't make SVD here but at least we could've gotten a conversion done from these guys , much better one-time deal than dragging around with a separate specialised ammunition for these "standard issue sniper rifle" thing here,
then again some of these SVDs are getting basic rails and upgrades very recently in 2020s so why should i bother with a thorough calibre conversion-sort-upgrade...

coming back to PK, well those Negev NG-7 we bought as replacement for L4 bren, are design-wise similar to PK...open bolt kalashnikov-ish machine gun - something that we could've done here on our own but...didn't happen...

 

[Kuldeepm952]

PKT might've come here as part of technical package of Tin-72,Tin-90Ass or BMPee or other ruskie land based combat vehicle stuff,
rest i agree that's what we should've done but...
anyway 7.62 NATO PK based derivatives already exist, look at Polish and Bulgarians etc, even our friendly neighbourhood Norinco had some export variant in that calibre, so even that was possible...7.62 NATO based PKT should've happened plus GPMG//MMG version for infantry use from that...
i covered same thing in past in some of my posts




I say we should've also switched to 7.62 NATO Dragunov in time...again Norinco and even former Izhmash and other eastern euro manufacturers of SVD rolled out 7.62 NATO chambered variant for sales to western civilians as well as some militaries, we don't make SVD here but at least we could've gotten a conversion done from these guys , much better one-time deal than dragging around with a separate specialised ammunition for these "standard issue sniper rifle" thing here,
then again some of these SVDs are getting basic rails and upgrades very recently in 2020s so why should i bother with a thorough calibre conversion-sort-upgrade...

coming back to PK, well those Negev NG-7 we bought as replacement for L4 bren, are design-wise similar to PK...open bolt kalashnikov-ish machine gun - something that we could've done here on our own but...didn't happen...

In small arms area atleast i believe that should be directed wholly towards private sector majorly, atleast the small calibre guns and rocket launchers side apart from the ak 203 deal already signed, ammo can be sourced in mix. This would atleast give incentive and spur growth in small amrs R&D and provide a host of solutions to our armed forces.
Also DRDO performance has been lackluster in small arms segment where the quality as well design features are way behind than newly established US gun companies.
And to put it mildly, I would say that basic small arms training of our infantry is outdated at best and a large overhaul is needed. You just don't send a guy with high powered scope on frontline when he doesn't even knows how to put it correctly and it won't be a stretch to say that things like windage correction knowledge and applying it through scope might not be imparted to soldiers. ACCESSORY KNOWLEDGE can and must be imparted to soldiers of India in this era of after 2020.
Also, Indian companies should be encouraged to have some kind of presence in US civilian market, a big market indeed. Historically, US civilian market and the Special forces requirement has spurred the growth in advancements in guns, ammo and accessories.

What i fear most is the repeat mistake of not making ammo commonality and they are coming true with 7.62 nato battle rifle, 7.62rus ak203, 5.56mm carbine.
We already have 7.62*54rus and 12.7rus and 12.7 nato. Now if this is not a hot podge of circus, I don't know what is. ARE WE REALLY PLANNING TO FIGHT A WAR OR WHAT.
We sure do love to import from everywhere.

 

[SGOperative]

Sometimes I feel that troops in kashmir are most equipped compared to troops in other parts of the country.

Good Morning

 

[ALBY]

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