Small arms and Light Weapons

[MisraZ]

 

[Spadex]

103????

He is referring the 203 as 103 from the start. Don't know why

 

[FalconSlayers]

He is referring the 203 as 103 from the start. Don't know why

Because it is 103 being sold as 203.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I feel the stocks being changed are no necessarily due to cost but due to the fact that they are made by some other Russian company not Kalashnikov.

Anyways, a hollow stock like this would save more weight.

 

[Marliii]

@maharajsamudragupt had to get banned when his dream of ak203 is getting fullfiled

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Maybe for installing SMASH-2000 systems for anti drone purposes

Maybe that’s why the sudden urgency?

 

[Marliii]

The recent purchase is of ak203 or ak103? Some media is saying its ak103 some say its ak203

 

[FalconSlayers]

The recent purchase is of ak203 or ak103? Some media is saying its ak103 some say its ak203

It’s 103 being sold as 203.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Indian delegation that went to Russia wanted AK103. It was the Russians in Kalashnikov's factory that convinced us to go for ak203. Tthe Indian side agreed since they thought 203> 103, so it must be better.

What happened next, was a cost cutting exercise which basically watered down the 203 to 103 variant.

 

[Sir pe tapla]

It’s 103 being sold as 203.

What is the difference between 103 and 203?

 

[FalconSlayers]

What is the difference between 103 and 203?

203 has a foldable and adjustable buttstock, a finger tab on fire selector, railes on dust cover, upper handguard and lower handguard, an ergonomic pistol grip and rails on 2 and 6 o’ clock on the hand guard.

 

[JBH22]

Indian delegation that went to Russia wanted AK103. It was the Russians in Kalashnikov's factory that convinced us to go for ak203. Tthe Indian side agreed since they thought 203> 103, so it must be better.

What happened next, was a cost cutting exercise which basically watered down the 203 to 103 variant.

Great at least someone said.
I'm pretty sure Indian side saw it and said no we don't want anything fancy gives us the cheapest one.
May be they are right also, for para military who are most of the time involved in policing duties why get all the bells and whistles. In any case, if SF or other elite units want the ak203 they can upgrade it with fab solutions.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Great at least someone said.
I'm pretty sure Indian side saw it and said no we don't want anything fancy gives us the cheapest one.
May be they are right also, for para military who are most of the time involved in policing duties why get all the bells and whistles. In any case, if SF or other elite units want the ak203 they can upgrade it with fab solutions.

Those kits are very expensive. AK-203 is a great gun only if they buy it, AK-103 is not good for today’s warfare as AK-203 is overall far better because of adjustable stock.

203 has a foldable and adjustable buttstock, a finger tab on fire selector, railes on dust cover, upper handguard and lower handguard, an ergonomic pistol grip and rails on 2 and 6 o’ clock on the hand guard.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Great at least someone said.
I'm pretty sure Indian side saw it and said no we don't want anything fancy gives us the cheapest one.
May be they are right also, for para military who are most of the time involved in policing duties why get all the bells and whistles. In any case, if SF or other elite units want the ak203 they can upgrade it with fab solutions.

The FAB defence kits are pretty costly too. These kits makes sense only on old AKs which we have in stock.
Newer AKs which practically every Eastern European countries like Bulgaria (Arsenal), Serbia (Zastava) etc. are selling, does have kits included option, which is not much expensive than bare bones version.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Simply put:
Cost of importing AK-203 (barebones AK) from Russia : around Rs. 70K
Cost of local production of AK-203 (barebones AK) in OFB Amethi : add around 6K (minimum) to imported AK-203.

With 70k, we can get any one of the option:
1. One TAR (which is a barebone AK) from OFB Trichy
2. One kitted AK from Arsenal
3. Two barebones AKs from Arsenal/Zastava
3. Accesories for kitting two old AKs in our stock from FAB Defence.

 

[JBH22]

Simply put:
Cost of importing AK-203 (barebones AK) from Russia : around Rs. 70K
Cost of local production of AK-203 (barebones AK) in OFB Amethi : add around 6K (minimum) to imported AK-203.

With 70k, we can get any one of the option:
1. One TAR (which is a barebone AK) from OFB Trichy
2. One kitted AK from Arsenal
3. Two barebones AKs from Arsenal/Zastava
3. Accesories for kitting two old AKs in our stock from FAB Defence.

But you are supposedly creating a domestic assembly line with full ToT and able to meet local demand if a war flare up. The additional cost is not the issue, the real thing is whether Amethi factory will be able to assimilate the tech (if Russia provide) and build quality AK 203.
With mass production, the average unit cost should decline. Efficiency of Amethi factory will be crucial in that equation. However, any move from INSAS is good move. At least infantry is getting something

 

[India Super Power]

Which type of guns will garuds get as they have ordered 70000 units.
Ak 103m or actual Ak 203
As its off shelf purchase

 

[Marliii]

Which type of guns will garuds get as they have ordered 70000 units.
Ak 103m or actual Ak 203
As its off shelf purchase

Its not garuds .its for IAF,IA and navy too

 

[another_armchair]

Which type of guns will garuds get as they have ordered 70000 units.
Ak 103m or actual Ak 203
As its off shelf purchase

These are replacements for standard issue Insas meant for vanilla airmen and other ranks.

Hopefully, IAF lads can also go brrrrrr in full auto unlike with the Insas - bang bang.. jam clear bang bang jam ...

 

[vampyrbladez]

203 has a foldable and adjustable buttstock, a finger tab on fire selector, railes on dust cover, upper handguard and lower handguard, an ergonomic pistol grip and rails on 2 and 6 o’ clock on the hand guard.

Please don't mis inform people here.

The Indian AK 203 has the following features :

• Railed top cover with hinge and clamp to maintain zero
• 6'O Clock position of handguard has picatinny rail.
• AK 103M style collapsible butt stock
• Ergonomic pistol grip.
• Tighter tolerances for better accuracy.
• New muzzle break/ flash hider.

The Russian AK 203 has the following features in addition to the above :

• 6 position FAB Defence kit style butt stock.
• 12'O Clock handguard position has picatinny rails.
• Thumb shelf to engage safety for quicker reloads.

Check out this article :
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.th...2020/02/26/indias-ak-not-quite-an-ak-203/amp/