Small arms and Light Weapons

[Vishalreddy3]

Its only for us civy market right?

Can be modified to military version easily!!

 

[Marliii]

Can be modified to military version easily!!

Have seen many gun tubers saying it as a cheap and reliable firearm to keep for protection

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Many people say its just a myth

The concept of assault rifle as a primary infantry weapon is copied by the Russian (in AK-47) from the Ggermans (Stg44). However, the design of the gun is not copied.

Earlier the infantry soldiers mainly operated long range Rifles (bolt action with bigger sized ammo) and short range carbines (with shorter sized ammo). Assault rifles were made to fill the gap in between them. The Germans with their Stg-44 made this concept so much popular, than assault rifles became the primary choice of infantry of other countries too starting from Russians and then other countries.

 

[Marliii]

The concept of assault rifle as a primary infantry weapon is copied by the Russian (in AK-47) from the Ggermans (Stg44). However, the design of the gun is not copied.

Earlier the infantry soldiers mainly operated long range Rifles (bolt action) and short range carbines. Assault rifles were made to fill the gap in between them. The Germans with their Stg-44 made this concept so much popular, than assault rifles became the primary choice of infantry of other countries too starting from Russians and then other countries.

Americans first thought of the stg 44 as nothing but a german gimmick but the ruskies and british knew it was the future

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Americans first thought of the stg 44 as nothing but a german gimmick but the ruskies and british knew it was the future

The Nazis scientist were indeed pioneers in warfare technology. From stealth plane, to assault rifles, to ballistic missiles , they pioneeered all of them

 

[Marliii]

 

[SKC]

The Nazis scientist were indeed pioneers in warfare technology. From stealth plane, to assault rifles, to ballistic missiles , they pioneeered all of them

Every nation involved in both WW had pioneer scientists with them. There is over romanticization with the Nazi scientists.
A boy in his farm in Australian outback was able to made Welrod small arm which became standard for British!
And the Nazi stealth was not stealth exactly it was well within the limits of planes of that era.
At the time Nazis were working on V2, there was US man who pioneered his own version of rockets and was father of US space program before Van Braun was favored due to his popularity.

 

[Marliii]

How ugly politics can end innocent soldiers lives.the americans wanted the 7.62x51 to be nato primary cartridge but the british had a good intermidiate catridge.so americans made a deal that if nato adapts 7.62 they will adapt FAL nato did its end of the deal but US didn't and adapted m14

 

[Gessler]

 

[airstrike99]

I am laughing at the fact that we are discussing about procurements of IWI Galil, Arad, Carmel for assault rifle and carbine options, when infact we are missing IWI Zion this whole time!!
I really wish instead of AK-203, this gets selected!!
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should i laugh?

for not knowing the fact that army needs 7.62mm x 39 not 5.56 mm NATO chambered rifle.

I really wish instead of AK-203, this gets selected!!

no. it won't. and for a good reason.

 

[Marliii]

The deal has been dragging for more than 2 years.we should cut it now

 

[airstrike99]

The deal has been dragging for more than 2 years.we should cut it now

the problem is both OFB TAR and GHATAK look like a rip off of ak-series.
even kalashinokov complained about IPR violations in 2004, but did not pursue it further because of indo-russian relations. and even india did not order for the same purposes.
indian army which is a professional army will never buy such things, which will damage the image.

that's why only police use it.

 

[airstrike99]

the problem is both OFB TAR and GHATAK look like a rip off of ak-series.
even kalashinokov complained about IPR violations in 2004, but did not pursue it further because of indo-russian relations. and even india did not order for the same purposes.
indian army which is a professional army will never buy such things, which will damage the image.

that's why only police use it.

thats why OFB once again made this in def expo 2018

7.62 x 51 mm NATO.

now it has a completely milled receiver instead of stamped.

trust me .
from the POV of Manufacturing engg, milling process is extremely costly, but also produces high quality surface finish.

the rifle is indeed of high quality. forget the looks.

OFB must have moved their lazy as*es and worked hard for the first time in their life.

but the magazine is just for 20 rounds instead of 30. because its an FN FAL magazine

once again half a**ing things.

can't even design a 30rounds magazine on their own.

ffs i will do it for free.

these param nibbiars and param chutiy*s won't work until we turn them into a profit based PSU like ONGC, BDL, BHEL etc.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

thats why OFB once again made this in def expo 2018

View attachment 90520

7.62 x 51 mm NATO.

now it has a completely milled receiver instead of stamped.

trust me .
from the POV of Manufacturing engg, milling process is extremely costly, but also produces high quality surface finish.

the rifle is indeed of high quality. forget the looks.

OFB must have moved their lazy as*es and worked hard for the first time in their life.

but the magazine is just for 20 rounds instead of 30. because its an FN FAL magazine

once again half a**ing things.

can't even design a 30rounds magazine on their own.

ffs i will do it for free.

these param nibbiars and param chutiy*s won't work until we turn them into a profit based PSU like ONGC, BDL, BHEL etc.

I believe it was requested to have commonality with FAL magazines, so it could be adopted faster, I could be wrong so feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

I think IA would want a DI or a short-stroke piston type rifle in 7.62*51 mm, after operating Sigs.

The Insas R-2 rifle is a upscaled MK1C which draws from the legacy long stroke Insas which inturn draws from an AK operating principle.

 

[Gessler]

thats why OFB once again made this in def expo 2018

View attachment 90520

7.62 x 51 mm NATO.

now it has a completely milled receiver instead of stamped.

trust me .
from the POV of Manufacturing engg, milling process is extremely costly, but also produces high quality surface finish.

the rifle is indeed of high quality. forget the looks.

OFB must have moved their lazy as*es and worked hard for the first time in their life.

but the magazine is just for 20 rounds instead of 30. because its an FN FAL magazine

once again half a**ing things.

can't even design a 30rounds magazine on their own.

ffs i will do it for free.

these param nibbiars and param chutiy*s won't work until we turn them into a profit based PSU like ONGC, BDL, BHEL etc.

A 30rd magazine for a 7.62x51 military service rifle? That's pretty much unheard of. Only a few novelty models exist for civilian market.

There's a reason why FAL, G3 or even modern examples like SCAR-H or SIG-716 all have only 20rd mags.

The .308 round is considerably bigger than .223/5.56x45. Putting in 10 more rounds would make the mag too long & unwieldy.

Look at this thing: How is a soldier supposed to go prone with that?

 

[Marliii]

A 30rd magazine for a 7.62x51 military service rifle? That's pretty much unheard of. Only a few novelty models exist for civilian market.

There's a reason why FAL, G3 or even modern examples like SCAR-H or SIG-716 all have only 20rd mags.

The .308 round is considerably bigger than .223/5.56x45. Putting in 10 more rounds would make the mag too long & unwieldy.

Look at this thing: How is a soldier supposed to go prone with that?

SCAR h has a 25 mag that is maximum I have heard of

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Does anyone have a picture of the OFB 7.62x51 rifle from Aero India 21?

 

[Tactical Doge]

SCAR h has a 25 mag that is maximum I have heard of

100 7.62 go boom boom, but these are for civilians only

BETA MAG™ FN SCAR 17 - 7.62MM 100 ROUND DRUM MAGAZINE

BETA C-MAG™ FN SCAR™ 17 - 7.62MM 100 Round Magazine with clear cover, loader and pouch.

store.avguns.com

 

[Gessler]

SCAR h has a 25 mag that is maximum I have heard of

Regular SCAR-H has 20rd mag.

Like I said, novelty models exist for civilian market. But there's a reason why such stuff is not adopted for military use....especially infantry use, which is impeded with such long-a$$ magazines.